1.7 Content Update (55818)

Hardcore players will win again. ;_;

Opportunities for a change in my chances like these are always lost.

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

That point seems even more unfair to me than anything else. So only forum members will be aware of his and take advantage of it? How is that fair to people who just play the game and don't know about it? Also, like i said, not fair to future players.

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Actually changelog is mentioned on the starting of game. So I doubt that its unfair then

Why is big luck a grey item?

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

That point seems even more unfair to me than anything else. So only forum members will be aware of his and take advantage of it? How is that fair to people who just play the game and don't know about it? Also, like i said, not fair to future players.

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Not unfair information will give you an edge. When I meet new people I always tell them to visit the forums for info on their classes and other stuff. Its really not hard to check forums once in a while even if its lurking only. I started playing in December and by that time halloween and red and blue antennas where already in the game without a way of me getting them. I don't find it unfair for older players to have them it just proves how long you been playing.

Like you suggested giving bonuses to other items would make players decide on what to use.

Think about it this way, guys.

Let's say the 1-handed gurg hammer had dropped for a week, and got farmed enough to introduce like 50-100 of them into the game. Then the devs changed it so only 2h gurg hammers dropped, but let the people who had the 1h keep them like that. And they could wear shields with them. Do you think that would be fair just because they were there at that point? Sure, it's nice for those who would have gotten the 1h, but would suck for everyone else.

Same idea here. If it's going to have a permanent bonus that affects the game, it needs to be available permanently (or like someone else said, the bonus has to be available on another item -- but not stackable).

Les has it right again. If this Vanity helm has a permanent luck bonus, then this Vanity helm should be available permanently for sale. This is the fairest solution.

And everyone will be clones of each other :)

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

Think about it this way, guys.

Let's say the 1-handed gurg hammer had dropped for a week, and got farmed enough to introduce like 50-100 of them into the game. Then the devs changed it so only 2h gurg hammers dropped, but let the people who had the 1h keep them like that. And they could wear shields with them. Do you think that would be fair just because they were there at that point? Sure, it's nice for those who would have gotten the 1h, but would suck for everyone else.

Same idea here. If it's going to have a permanent bonus that affects the game, it needs to be available permanently (or like someone else said, the bonus has to be available on another item -- but not stackable).

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Could be an option. And yes it should not be stackable with luck pots. The highest one should cancel the other.

Clones on the bosses yes on the towns no... atm I am using a cheap bum look to keep beggar off me. I would use the hat on the bosses with the loadout change and only there.

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Originally Posted by Physiologic

Les has it right again. If this Vanity helm has a permanent luck bonus, then this Vanity helm should be available permanently for sale. This is the fairest solution.

And everyone will be clones of each other :)

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THIS... I agree.

How about the guys who got the one handed gurgox weaps. They were happy to use it and suddenly its a two handed thing. The thing also is that we dint buy the weapon with money. That has to be taken into account. That analogy is flawed in itself. I could buy BS for 10 plats and 15 for this?? Either permanent or return plats would only be fair. I'm out anyways waste of money atleast make full use of it while i can.

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Originally Posted by asommers

ok, we'll consider making them temporary.

-als

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nooooooo!!!!

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

Think about it this way, guys.

Let's say the 1-handed gurg hammer had dropped for a week, and got farmed enough to introduce like 50-100 of them into the game. Then the devs changed it so only 2h gurg hammers dropped, but let the people who had the 1h keep them like that. And they could wear shields with them. Do you think that would be fair just because they were there at that point? Sure, it's nice for those who would have gotten the 1h, but would suck for everyone else.

Same idea here. If it's going to have a permanent bonus that affects the game, it needs to be available permanently (or like someone else said, the bonus has to be available on another item -- but not stackable).

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I don't want to pick at your single point made in this post, but things like that can always be nerfed and it can still remain a part of the game. 15 plat is a justified price for this limited vanity item.

Don't take it to heart when I say this, but you guys take this game too seriously. We're not even sure if it's a major advantage yet. Give it a try before passing the bill.

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Originally Posted by Junside

I don't want to pick at your single point made in this post, but things like that can always be nerfed and it can still remain a part of the game. 15 plat is a justified price for this limited vanity item.

Don't take it to heart when I say this, but you guys take this game too seriously. We're not even sure if it's a major advantage yet. Give it a try before passing the bill.

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Of course I take this game seriously. I enjoy taking it seriously, that's the fun part for me.

if you make it temporary, 15 plat is a lot for a vanity item that bonus is only there for a week

I didn't say it's a perfect analogy, bc nothing like this has been done before.
But items that permanently give an advantage over other players should not be only available temporarily. It's fine to give people a few days of higher drop rates, but then it should be gone.
Or, perhaps it could have just been a St. Patty's event -- higher drop rates for everyone for a week. That way, the people who play the most during that time will get the most out of it, but they won't have any permanent advantage over others.

How about making ALL vanity items available to buy at ALL times?

EXCEPT... when they are "out of season" they cost more than being "in season".

For example, let the bonus stay... but when the "St. Patricks Day season" passes... however long you guys want that to be... it goes up in price.


This can work for every vanity, like someone trying to buy Christmas vanity items can buy them right now even if they had a bonus, but for a higher price... since it is not Christmas time. Only when Christmas comes around again will the price drop for the season, and new items can be added also.

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Originally Posted by Lesrider

I didn't say it's a perfect analogy, bc nothing like this has been done before.
But items that permanently give an advantage over other players should not be only available temporarily. It's fine to give people a few days of higher drop rates, but then it should be gone.
Or, perhaps it could have just been a St. Patty's event -- higher drop rates for everyone for a week. That way, the people who play the most during that time will get the most out of it, but they won't have any permanent advantage over others.

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But still, for those who have bought it for 15 plat, we should get a refund then because we bought a item with PERMANENT luck, not temporary

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Originally Posted by Survivorfan

if you make it temporary, 15 plat is a lot for a vanity item that bonus is only there for a week

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15 plat is $2.50 USD. It's not like it is costing anyone twenty bucks. WoW is $15 a month just to play. Not to mention most of us here have spent more than 15 plat on expansions, other vanity items, whatever. We all have touchscreen devices, data plans, Internet, etc...the odds of $2.50 putting most people here in the poor house are not that great, imo. It's the cost of a Big Mac.

/reserving judgment until further notice.

So will this vanity be gone in a week if i buy it?

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Originally Posted by Survivorfan

But still, for those who have bought it for 15 plat, we should get a refund then because we bought a item with PERMANENT luck, not temporary

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Yes, I already said I agree with that, to an extent. STS is usually good with refunds, and I think if they make it temp, they could probably refund it as long as the refund is requested within a day or two (?). Maybe they can also adjust the price accordingly. I dunno what thy would do, I'm just giving suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Moogerfooger

15 plat is $2.50 USD. It's not like it is costing anyone twenty bucks. WoW is $15 a month just to play. Not to mention most of us here have spent more than 15 plat on expansions, other vanity items, whatever. We all have touchscreen devices, data plans, Internet, etc...the odds of $2.50 putting most people here in the poor house are not that great, imo. It's the cost of a Big Mac.

/reserving judgment until further notice.

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lol, big mac
but there still is that part where a temporary item is not worth 15 plat