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+ Arcane non-weapon gear now supports Enchantments!
+ Blaster weapon ranges have been reduced to match other long-range weapons.
+ Increase damage, armor for Level 1 Elite Weapons. Other stats unchanged (from previous nerf).
+ Reduced statistics (by upwards of 50%) for Elite Level 25 Cyber Armor.
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Originally Posted by tzatops
I am excited about now we can enchanting the new Val Arcane items... idk how the others are I don't pvp cuz it is all still based on good internet connection... it sounds interestingQuote:
Originally Posted by TzatOps
Had 1 job make stat guns l1 and 25 elites do 0 damage and have 0 hp and still found a way to mess that up their still just as bad as they were before either delete them from the game or nerf them till they do nothing in pvp [emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji2357][emoji2357]
I’m starting to think you don’t PvP. Like at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by holdmytalons
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I do and their still broken maybe u should try pvpingQuote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
Not being able to notice a 50+% nerf is sus.Quote:
Originally Posted by holdmytalons
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Seeing as their stats still 2x more than the sets at twink the only nerf they need is 100% not knowing ur own game is kinda susQuote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
Clearly you’re not using the correct gear for PvP. This is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by holdmytalons
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I am and the game is more dead than usual because they r still broken took u this long to not even nerf them enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
You got it all wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by holdmytalons
It’s okay.
I do wish you the best nevertheless.
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I can vouch, whamm armor is still overpowered. When you literally cannot beat someone with l25 elites with any combo of gear at lvl 40 u know it's still wrong. Please nerf it again. You know it's op when ppl have to ask before a fight (or after when they get demolished ) "are you using whamm?" Just remove the 200 health buff fr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
That's reasonable feedback (whereas expecting the 25 Elites to do zero damage and the armor to have zero armor is not) :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Curvatwo
I hope you see my message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
Cinco please ignore that comment. He doesn't speak for all of us. The rest of us love the changes you implemented! Pvp is quite active and I'm sure the community will get in touch when we experiment with the changes. Please keep up the awesome work we all know you and the superb team are capable of!
However, in life no matter how hard you work, there will always be a few who are unappreciative. But it's just that : a few.
I'd like to thank you on the behalf of the twink pvp community (some do not have forum accounts :()
Perhaps people should realize that the original changes were purely experimental to see how things played out. I always believed any tweaks were always subject to further changes.
If at all possible, could we maybe make whamm require a higher lvl to equip? Along with the valentine L10 rings. I was thinking maybe L71 or 76 but do let me know what you think! Maybe we can work something out.
Don't forget to check PL central! There's always some feedback there.
With much love :D,
Vap
Whamm is the ONLY thing stopping pvp from being a nuke fest. Do you really want pvp to become a 1-3 skill shotting warzone? Whamm has to be nerfed SIMULTANEOUSLY with L10 valentine rings and ammies. Have them nerfed together or don't touch either of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curvatwo
Whamm with L10 ring and ammy actually feels ok to use. However it becomes an issue at 40 where mage is too tanky. 35 as well to some extent. My only issue with the whamm armour is that it benefits some classes a lot more than others. Birds can't compete.
DISCLAIMER: There should be a good amount of agreement from other players before these changes get implemented (if they do)!
My solutions:
1) Nerf whamm further so that it matches the stats of a 25 armour, maybe give it less armour than it's L25 counterpart but whamm has the niche of giving hp (unlike any other armours).
2) Increase level requirement of whamm and L10 valentine rings and amulets to level 76. Me and a few friends have tested it there and felt that those equipment were more natural in that particular zone. STS has increased level requirement for 3pc. Maybe something similar could be done here. Easiest fix imo.
3) Set the stats of the 25 elites to zero ONLY in forest fight and rockwell forts. I appreciate this may be longwinded to implement which is way I think option 2 is the best.
Also as of now, the 25 elite weapons feel mostly fine. However, the 25 blaster should have a small dmg nerf still. MageFFA / Quality has a good idea for this. The armour values that the 25 elite weapons should greatly be reduced imo considering they are 2h weapons!
Again changing the lvl requirement to wear these is also a suitable fix. I'd like to propose this more so for the 25 elite 2h sword and the 25 elite 2h staff. Blaster is a good weapon for birds and should stay where it's at.
If they wanted to make it easier just remove rings and ammys from pvp entirely lol. It's hard enuff balancing gearQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapourised
in all honesty, I Don't think the l25 weapons are a problem anymore (meta at lvl 25-29 but not insane), I have used all of them for testing at lvl 35/40 and they seem to be appropriate, my only quarrel is with whamm armor giving so much hp, and (maybe) 9th bday shield giving 9% hit conjoined with crazy good armor and damage at twink levels with no stat requirements (like dex or str or int) is pretty nutsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
There will be some people who complain that their rings and ammies dont work in pvp. This is similar to how they couldnt remove enchants in pvp, had to make it make it map specific so that the crazy people who love enchants and paid for them (with irl money sometimes mind you) can still use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curvatwo
It's a pretty clever way to please everyone without backlash.
Just nerf all low lvl elites (except for the og 71 76 elites) to 0 and yes that also means valentineQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapourised
If the 25's and Valentine's go to zero, the 71's, 76's also get nerfed to zero... in the interest of fairness :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by holdmytalons
You'll find that the pink L10 rings and amulets valentine also give relatively op stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by holdmytalons
Hi cinco, the reason why people don't have an issue with 71 elites or 76 elites is because they don't provide any advantage over the normal campaign weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
In an ideal world, the L25 elites and valentines would be tweaked so that they are similar to normal campaign items . Nerfing their stats to zero in our no enchant maps would be easier for ur team to code.
Ofc if ur commited to tweaking the aforementioned items, then be my guest. We just want to make life easier and quicker for the dev team. There's some valuable suggestions on PL central at the moment. I think raising their lvl requirement is the best way.
Ah! To be very clear: Nerfing any of these gears, beloved and controversial alike, to literal zero is just not fair. So it’s not on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapourised
Thanks for all the detailed feedback! I look forward to future updates :-)
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That why i said valentine at this point no enchant maps were pointless since the items that shouldnt have even been added to pl arent getting nerfedQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapourised
No worries Cinco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
In that case, what about the other suggestions?
I'll post them again as a reminder:
1) Raising the lvl requirement to equip the L25 elite armours maybe to 76 or 71 while keeping their stats (so no nerf needed). Also for the valentine L10 ring and ammy (no nerf, same stats just you need to be higher lvl to equip)
2) Another 50% cut to the stats of the 25 elite armours accompanied by some sort of nerf to L10 valentine rings (so not nerfing them to zero but just reducing stats so other gears can compete)
3) A slight further nerf to the L25 elite blaster's dmg. By -20 would be good for now.
Let me know if this is something that could be considered.
Give us a NPC that can convert "My" items into tradeable version for platinum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
Thanks!
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L10 ring ammy should be weaker than l25Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapourised
Cinco, I was wondering, couldn't you just make elite lv 25 and others replicate identical stats to the normal campaign equivalent. To be clear, I mean only in PvP zones. For example, make bow of phoenix share identical stats to swift master bow but in PvE it retains better stats. Also for lvl 25 in PVP zones you can make dex weapons identical to similar items from the game. I think this would be a good balance because you can have cool looking weapons in PVP that don't break the game and also have them shred in PvE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinco
You can make all lvl 25 elites copy exactly from their l25 plat pack (dex/dex2h/str/str2h/ etc) equivalent to bring consistency to twink pvp @cincoQuote:
Originally Posted by Curvatwo
In my honest assessment, If an item is being used and is viable in PVP 10+ levels above it's requirement (in this case l25 and l10 rings items being viable in lvl 35-45)
it is considered overpowered