Poll - Forum-Think: It's TOO EASY to level-up? Or is it TOO HARD??!

Going through feedback on the topic of advancement (specifically to address concrete and well-spoken concerns about the new player experience in Arcane Legends), I find some significant disagreement among the forums mindshare. So, a little poll seems in order to sort out what we here on the Spacetime AL general discussion forums think about advancement to endgame.

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I mean, If you know how to use both of the elixirs, it would be easy but if you're a new player it will be kinda rough especially if you dont have an active guild to help you with your dailies.

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If you know what you are doing leveling a toon to 81 can take just a few hours that is ofc if you do it on double xp day. But regardless of that like many have stated before when you are a new player and fly through levels you seem to miss a lot of the important history and elements of the game. I would enjoy making a new character and having to grind to cap similar to the pre 41 cap.

Increase the maximum level differences of the players we can join. Increasing to at least 10 levels( Make it have a toggle so we can turn off and on) would be cool. Its nice to run into players that are actually grinding and want to advance.

When you made the changes to quest exp and map difficulty i think it was just a bit too much of a change to quest exp. I would do what you did before, but scale it back 25-50% on quest exp reduction.

I'm fine with leveling rogue and mage, but warrior below 67 lvl is too slow if trying solo. As I have told many times, warrior need increase damage from skills in pve, not only by broken procs and op ultimate (example - daily in festerfang, its too slow for warrior with legendary gears, but rogue/mage doing it easily in same legendary gears)

And in general, its not about easy/hard, its just too boring if you skipped day of x2 XP and doing same dailies every day without getting anything else

To me, 'boring' could qualify as either "too hard" or "too easy" depending on your expectations.

Game lvl is depending on a player experience nd how long been fhey playing, for old players who been playing game they know how to lvl up nd best ways to lvl up because they have all resources they need to lvl up fast For (500plat direct lvl to 70) other then that
Using Xp gear sets, elixrs, pet right timings to lvl up if double xp is near.
For a new player they seem have a little bit longer time to lvl up. Since they don't have much resources nd still learning about game, it would be much better if new players are being provided with xp boost like they're given (a luck loot) in starting.
Players lvling up slow makes them loose interest in game , it's natural with all players who ever plays a new game they like to lvl up and get in with the flow with other players who already high levels, also would give them opportunity to run with randoms so they can grind nd explore the game :)
However lvling up is decent u can lvl up fast using different resources nd waiting for right time to lvl up t during doube xp event

Like many says, when u know what you are doing it is possible to level up very fast (a new toon or just reach level cap when expansion come) but when you are a new player i guess it can take lot more time if you don't know about stacking lix,
x2 xp day, xp awake etc (but when genuinely a new player it is probably less boring cuz all the game feel new)

and about what is boring, the perfect example is to level up a hardcore toon!!! i really wish there is no more aps with those!!!!!

Honestly, for me, leveling up hardcore toon is really killing me and my will to play... please no more!!!

ps: So because of that and because idk if there will be more Hardcore aps i can't vote, all the answer can be good depending of POV

I'm going to make decisions based on the votes I get on this.

Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by PatD

Like many says, when u know what you are doing it is possible to level up very fast (a new toon or just reach level cap when expansion come) but when you are a new player i guess it can take lot more time if you don't know about stacking lix,
x2 xp day, xp awake etc (but when genuinely a new player it is probably less boring cuz all the game feel new)

and about what is boring, the perfect example is to level up a hardcore toon!!! i really wish there is no more aps with those!!!!!

Honestly, for me, leveling up hardcore toon is really killing me and my will to play... please no more!!!

ps: So because of that and because idk if there will be more Hardcore aps i can't vote, all the answer can be good depending of POV

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Ig that's why it's called *Hardcore*
Hc is always difficult to play unless u wanna spend plats on it ;)

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Originally Posted by Aayushh007

Ig that's why it's called *Hardcore*
Hc is always difficult to play unless u wanna spend plats on it ;)

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not difficult but boring and meaningless for those who only level them up for aps, i highly prefer doing aps with my main toon

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Originally Posted by Cinco

To me, 'boring' could qualify as either "too hard" or "too easy" depending on your expectations.

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Thats why I said 'its not about easy or hard' and explained... My expectations are to get some gold while I try lvling new char, for example: It was fun almost for everyone to lvl from 41-46 just running km3/kt4 and getting xp+gold at same time and wasn't matter how long time it will take you to get max lvl. Now lvling gives only xp and nothing else. If there no any good loot in old maps, I'd prefer to make lvling easier.

Created acc less than 48h ago. I'm lv 62 but I'm old player and I know how to to play. I still didn't used any elixirs or anything.
Now it seems a bit hard to lv up. I'm stuck in Graveyard/fester maps. Without new quests.

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Originally Posted by easynafta

Created acc less than 48h ago. I'm lv 62 but I'm old player and I know how to to play. I still didn't used any elixirs or anything.
Now it seems a bit hard to lv up. I'm stuck in Graveyard/fester maps. Without new quests.

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Delete it and go with elixirs while xp is ok per story/side quests

I think a change in hardcore leveling would be good. Now it needs 1h for lvl 71 which is a bit too fast in my eyes.


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It isn't to easy for new players. They still need to put time in to level and get gold. I still haven't leveled my alts because I don't want to put the time in and for alts it is considerably easier. People that say it's to easy are all leveling alts not coming into the game new.

Probably the reason why it is such a controversial topic is:
1-If you are new, you lack items, guide, help, etc, some even friends, to know what you should do, with which it is extremely difficult to do everything.
2-If you are relatively old, you know all the tricks or glitch to level in a day at maximum level.

The new ones find it difficult to get items, gold etc, and although they open lockeds, they do not get really good items of the same level (the legendary ones are usually garbage, they do not help them at all to kill mobs or bosses).
Old players finish an expansion in one day, with xp multipliers, and quest. With which everything ends up being easy.
In my opinion everything is backwards.
Progress through the maps for the new ones should be relatively easy. And as you get to the last maps it must be difficult to level and the rest.
The problem, to begin with, are the xp multipliers that work in quests. This should be removed to work only with mobs.
The xp of the quests should perhaps be increased a bit to compensate and that the quests are not useless.
And then make the maps a little easier so someone with a legendary set can get through them with reasonable difficulty.
Or offer perhaps bound equipment, which really helps to pass maps.
In short, it should be easier for those new to lower maps, as they generally have to do it alone and without gear.
I don't feel like any of the survey options pigeonhole what I'm trying to say, and I feel like you'll still get a fuzzy and wrong answer.
Besides that generally new or casual players, they do not usually have accounts in forums.
You will get responses from older players who level up 1 char in 1 day to max level, like me.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say without generating more controversy

PS: I love that Christmas outfit you're wearing.

I like that vanity jumper, not sure about the tights xD

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Originally Posted by Cinco

I'm going to make decisions based on the votes I get on this.

Just sayin'

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From the point of view of a completely new player who has no access to trading permit or ads lixs, has no idea what elixers to use to speed up the leveling and frequently drifts from the main storyline making them face content too easy (which makes players don't get xp from mobs or get very little amounts of xp from quests) or too hard (which can be frustrating since they don't have a way to improve their gear to beat content besides opening locks) for their current lvl.

I would add some kind of guide about leveling to the tutorial that points out what can speed the leveling process such as xp lixs, pets, gear or awakes. Locking certain content with lvl requirements is good but I would add a requirement for story quests to be cleared as well in order to unlock the next zone (town). And advertise whenever a player tries to go to "x" locked place that s/he must complete "y" story questline as well as being a minimum lvl.

Now for a player that knows what to do, s/he can get to lvl 70+ in matter of hours (of course this player would have access to more resources that are pretty much impossible to get for new players).

So since it only says new character I'll vote too easy, tho I hope you guys take into consideration this imput, thx for the poll.

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Originally Posted by Cinco

I'm going to make decisions based on the votes I get on this.

Just sayin'

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I voted Fine as Is, but that isn’t quite accurate. The journey needs more interest.(perhaps more quests per map or items). Previously mentioned, allow a broader range of levels to play together. Events aimed at lower maps. Stop scaling event bosses to endgame. Oh, and stop the “fast cap” mentality. The expansion might have kept interest/lasted longer than 5 days.

P.S. That fuzzy warm outfit better be available for me! (Not LB item) or rilly might jaunt over to Tejas n ruff u up!

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Originally Posted by Oakmaiden

I voted Fine as Is, but that isn’t quite accurate. The journey needs more interest.(perhaps more quests per map or items). Previously mentioned, allow a broader range of levels to play together. Events aimed at lower maps. Stop scaling event bosses to endgame. Oh, and stop the “fast cap” mentality. The expansion might have kept interest/lasted longer than 5 days.

P.S. That fuzzy warm outfit better be available for me! (Not LB item) or rilly might jaunt over to Tejas n ruff u up!

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You are correct here, I made a video on explaining the leveling system and why it is messed up currently. Level 1-60 it is fun and adventurous as you progress through the game but once you hit level 60 thats when the game becomes a chore. Repeat daily quests until 81. The game is a rollercoaster that starts at the top then goes down as you fly past levels up to 60, once at level 60 you have to climb the coaster until lv 81 and there is no going down again. The system needs to become a bridge, steady fun advancements where people can level and enjoy the game learning new stuff. Lots of stuff missing for lower levels that would make the game fun, for me I vote all 3 options. Its easy starting off sort of stable around level 30-50 and lv 60+ too hard. People get used to leveling fast then get hit with leveling slow.
@Cinco do watch this video. This is a solo perspective since its rare these days for people to find parties or people in the same map with similar levels as they are. I am posting with a realistic point of view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8HXy_16V1s

if u have a lot of experience and gold its fine but still a little tidious
for everyone else definitely takes too long and is boring

It isn’t about “hard or easy” it needs to be said who for

It’s about attracting and keeping new players
Not if a billionaire vet can level a alt quick- that’s irrelevant

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Originally Posted by Oakmaiden

Stop scaling event bosses to endgame.

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Do you remember the army of bots?
Waves of new low level toons would run content and stash then delete n start over
If events don’t discourage very low levels it will be exploited by macro bot armies

@Stephancobear, I thought randomizing maps stopped that issue. All about endgame is like being rats in a maze, run to the end or starve. When I have time to read I look for books over 500 pages, cuz shorter stories aren’t satisfying outside of a waiting area. I’ve read TLOR in its entirety 3 times.... not the last chapter over n over :p

Guys for real, what’s the point of grinding the same old dailies every single day, It’s not like everyday is different cuz you’re literally repeating the same actions everyday which means nothing, I would suggest to keep it lower or leave it as it is.

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Originally Posted by Oakmaiden

@Stephancobear, I thought randomizing maps stopped that issue.

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It stopped a lot of that, but imagine:
U can grind to endgame, slog n then get a good set, then run end game

OR

Start a new low level who benefits from a free luck elix, & doesn’t need millions worth of gear

which is an exploitive chump gonna do, & what’s that do to inflation?

When can we get that vanity vest

too hard , i work 11hrs a day , 5 days a week . cant seem to find the time to cap . so i just play twink and do events .


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I mean lvl 76-81 took like 3days, and felt like easy with all possible elixirs, pets and xp bonus.

But for my lover level rogue i had for months, kinda got bored at lvl 47 and its stuck. Kinda have to do yourself 1-76, before u start finding teams for (some quests), but i feel for early gameplay it would be important people to group up and realy feel the game, not just solo everything.

How the mapping works, if you like 81 and go in, only like up to 76lvls can find you in same map. But its problem cus rly cant put 81 and low lvl in either, cause speed/damage u do, the low lvls wont realy catch up with you.

And for lower lvls, ofc what keep people in pve, is rewards and potential loot, but lvling up to like 76, you dont realy have chance doing maps that give you good loot, what makes harder to obtain decent gear.

For new players it is definitely too quick at first. Getting to level 50 in a couple of hours is confusing for them.
Getting to Kraag is fine and that's when it all goes pear shaped.
By the time they are in dead city, they qualify for Nordr and soon after, Shuyal and Tindirin. It's all down to xp given by quests.
This means that they farm no kills and worse they miss a lot of the best part of the game.
We're not voting for old players or hc players, think about new players who have never played before. Remember how it was?
Keep the advancement kits because there is nothing for them to farm. Get eggs to drop, not expensive ones, that would cause exploitation.
When they reach level 60, maybe then speed things up. By then they will have learned how to use the xp lixes etc but from level 60 onwards it is way too long and boring. Put the xp up for quests after level 60. It doesn't hurt for them to rush up to cap after this level.
Events are harsh for low levels as someone else mentioned. They get all excited about an event and then find out they can't play it.
You'll sort it Cinco. Just have a go as if you was a brand new player.
Your jumper is nice by the way...for a toon, not sure about real life. 🙂 Just being truthful.

I think there can be other way to gaining xp other than grinding and daily quest.

What I can think of alternatives are getting xp by crafting, by slotting awakening gems and xp can be gained by fully awakening a gear.

I would also suggest to utilize nightmare raid map for some xp gain idea such as defeating map within certain time window can grant certain xp.
I feel like the nightmare map is now basically abandoned by majority which is a big lost


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cool winter sweater

please no bald heads for winter , have alot of caps with no hair in game

It's fine the way it is we have been doing this for years.

Well, because i don't know if more HC aps will be add in the future i will have to vote "Too hard",
if i was sure no more HC aps would be add in the future i would vote "Just fine"

It’s pretty fair “If you wanna put the time & effort into leveling” that’s what’s puts people off tbh


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Lets be practical leveling should be easy and swift because the heart of arcane legends is on endgame. Its easy currently but better if easier.

In my experience it is too hard to leveling especially for those who just started the game, even when you have decreased the exp amount needed for leveling those new players are still stuck and having hard time to level up. I have seen some friends that are stuck around lvl 60+ because those maps at that level are so hard. For those who think that leveling is too easy, i think it is because they already understand about the game, have a good friend or guild to help, or have good items to support them level up. but for new players they will be confused when leveling because they get stuck at a certain level. after all the main features of AL are now endgme. So i think we need to make it easier to level up so all can enjoy the game together.

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Ever since quest exp has been added lower level areas have become useless. You can level fro level 1 to 60 in a day and only near endgame does the leveling require a bit more effort. This is because stacked exp elixers help you get sometimes over 40k exp for a single exp quest.

This also makes old dungeons useless. Once a player has passed brackenridge for example there is almost no reason (besides some side quests) to return to those areas. So yeah I think the leveling system right now is wrong and exp quests should just be removed again.

So, 1-60 is easy, 60 to 81 is hard. Leave 1-60 alone or make it a bit harder/take more time. Then make the rest easier. Thin mobs, reduce stuns.... open maus floors..

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Originally Posted by Cheackezig

Ever since quest exp has been added lower level areas have become useless. You can level fro level 1 to 60 in a day and only near endgame does the leveling require a bit more effort. This is because stacked exp elixers help you get sometimes over 40k exp for a single exp quest.

This also makes old dungeons useless. Once a player has passed brackenridge for example there is almost no reason (besides some side quests) to return to those areas. So yeah I think the leveling system right now is wrong and exp quests should just be removed again.

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very true Cheack, if the new player gets to Kraag City, they can go straight up from 10/15 to lvl 45+, maybe 65+ if you are experienced player. The fun part of leveling up old days is when playing through maps and story lines. Now it is gone since the XP curve is lowered too much and the quest XP is huge.