Looting Arcane and Mythic on Lock crates is not the same as before

Did you guys feel happy every time you loot arcane times?

For me no.. you spend 1-2m Gold for buying Ren lock Crates and you get 1 arcane item.. toor , maridos worse case shard worth 600-800k..
Looting arcane items this days are its like looting legendary gears..
you will break even with gold and lose a lot of plats..
So do you still want to open ren crates?

STS should add something wort opening crates. not its not worth it.. arcane is cheap...

You buy 1,700 plats for 100 USD and get what 2-3 arcane that will wort what? 3-5m? your 100USD is = to 3-5m if lucky..

before if your lucky you looted 1 arcane item sam, arcane maul if lucky shard 1 arcane loot will make you jump all over the place.. 1 item you can earn 20-100m gold...

LOL now its all trash...

best get farmin then...

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Originally Posted by Ice

Did you guys feel happy every time you loot arcane times?

For me no.. you spend 1-2m Gold for buying Ren lock Crates and you get 1 arcane item.. toor , maridos worse case shard worth 600-800k..
Looting arcane items this days are its like looting legendary gears..
you will break even with gold and lose a lot of plats..
So do you still want to open ren crates?

STS should add something wort opening crates. not its not worth it.. arcane is cheap...

You buy 1,700 plats for 100 USD and get what 2-3 arcane that will wort what? 3-5m? your 100USD is = to 3-5m if lucky..

before if your lucky you looted 1 arcane item sam, arcane maul if lucky shard 1 arcane loot will make you jump all over the place.. 1 item you can earn 20-100m gold...

LOL now its all trash...

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I don't think Sts invented crate so you can over charge ppl , it was intended for upgrading your personal toon

The relative value of your real money is higher than ever. Only the absolute numbers are different. The only difference is that platwhales can't control the market and inflate prices.

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Originally Posted by Jazzi

The relative value of your real money is higher than ever. Only the absolute numbers are different. The only difference is that platwhales can't control the market and inflate prices.

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No the relative value of our real money is lower than ever. You lose both gold and your own cash opening locked. The risk is huge because you can't sell items anymore to break even. I would say the 'attractiveness' or relative value of spending money is rock bottom. We lose our liquidity, gold, and actual cash by opening.

Absolute value of a number describes the distance from zero, and opening locked you almost always go negative in both game gold and your cash.

Economics 101

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

No the relative value of our real money is lower than ever. You lose both gold and your own cash opening locked. The risk is huge because you can't sell items anymore to break even. I would say the 'attractiveness' or relative value of spending money is rock bottom. We lose our liquidity, gold, and actual cash by opening.

Absolute value of a number describes the distance from zero, and opening locked you almost always go negative in both game gold and your cash.

Economics 101

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As tons of others mentioned, opening locks isnt the only way to convert plats to gold, although most "plat whales" will see it as the only option while neglecting other surefire ways to convert plat to gold. How can you blame anyone else if it is your own fault for taking a gamble?

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Originally Posted by Oursizes

As tons of others mentioned, opening locks isnt the only way to convert plats to gold, although most "plat whales" will see it as the only option while neglecting other surefire ways to convert plat to gold. How can you blame anyone else if it is your own fault for taking a gamble?

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Was only clearing up jazzy's misuse of economic and mathematical vernacular not debating the best way to convert plat to gold.

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Originally Posted by Oursizes

As tons of others mentioned, opening locks isnt the only way to convert plats to gold, although most "plat whales" will see it as the only option while neglecting other surefire ways to convert plat to gold. How can you blame anyone else if it is your own fault for taking a gamble?

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How do u think f2p people get the game all? U do realize programmers don't work for free right? Smart piss off all the people that make the game possible that's genius! Candy just said what anyone with half a brain knows even if they don't spend real money... there's zero reason to now which doesn't suggest much future for the game. You can't get something from nothing.

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Originally Posted by avikk

The people who make the game possible are the developers.

The people who ensure the survival of the game areus the players.

There is a reason to spend money, not as good as it once was before but still the people wanting to spend will spend.

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Good luck with that. Never cease to show the failures of some education systems. Maybe devs can feed their kids air.

for sure there will be new items in ursoth, as some developers said that new items are coming in the next big update.

Yeah, I think the sudden price drop of shard and fossil caught the developers off guard. That's probably one of the reasons for the double teeth week, to boost the price back up a little. But the best thing you can do is vote with your dollars. If you don't like the prize, don't buy. But as others have said, I'm sure other items are coming soon enough. Maybe you will be able to loot that new squirrel pet from locked.

Level 46 Mythic gears are coming. The price of the locked crates and also the value of opening them will certainly go up.
Meanwhile, I am spotting many threads of this kind where people are telling STS that something must be done about the price of arcanes.
Well, STS know what they are doing. They have been revolving on MMORPG market for quite a while. When they sense that people are quitting due to lack of satisfaction, they'll do something. Like this 2x teeth event.
And if they aren't doing anything, Then probably there is no need as well. The gap between Plat buyers and F2P players shouldn't be large as hell.

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Originally Posted by Energizeric

Yeah, I think the sudden price drop of shard and fossil caught the developers off guard. That's probably one of the reasons for the double teeth week, to boost the price back up a little. But the best thing you can do is vote with your dollars. If you don't like the prize, don't buy. But as others have said, I'm sure other items are coming soon enough. Maybe you will be able to loot that new squirrel pet from locked.

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They always struggled with the loot table algorithms.

I went from never dropping shard/fossil in a year to several at a time.

Wonder if they replaced the old mythic helm/body and all old arc weapons with shard and fossil in the loot tables. That would explain the market flood of said items.

The way i see it is who cares if an item that was worth 50m months ago is now only worth 3m? All the items prices items have dropped from what they once were. This is GAME money. If all prices drop and the most valued items are 5m then just let the economy adjust accordingly. It will all equal out over time.

Theres jusy too many supply and less demand, make the supply cheap and risk crashing everything. Only this time us with 5-15m gold kinda benefitted. Who wouldve imagine nekro for 6.5m(at some point) maybe rengol lock loot matrix was bugged upon release.

Might i ask, some of you are maxxed out 46 with probably 50m+ on stash. So whats up with these plat : item value : lock content rant?

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

No the relative value of our real money is lower than ever. You lose both gold and your own cash opening locked. The risk is huge because you can't sell items anymore to break even. I would say the 'attractiveness' or relative value of spending money is rock bottom. We lose our liquidity, gold, and actual cash by opening.

Absolute value of a number describes the distance from zero, and opening locked you almost always go negative in both game gold and your cash.

Economics 101

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

Was only clearing up jazzy's misuse of economic and mathematical vernacular not debating the best way to convert plat to gold.

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Thank you very much for the correction. However you are only right about the mathematical definition of "absolute number" ;). As for the relative value, what I meant is well beyond economics 101. I won't embark on a journey to explain here though. We could have a long talk with pms with you would insist nonetheless. In simple words though: the return in items (arcane and mythic), which are otherwise unobtainable via farming, per currency unit spent (real world money) is much higher than ever before :) Hope this explains my point of view.

I understand yours about breaking even and you are right, but this is only under the assumption that you would farm nothing yourself and buy the crates in order to pop them . In this case you might be right. This is however a niche market.

Don't you still get a thrill when looting arcane items? I know I do

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

No the relative value of our real money is lower than ever. You lose both gold and your own cash opening locked. The risk is huge because you can't sell items anymore to break even. I would say the 'attractiveness' or relative value of spending money is rock bottom. We lose our liquidity, gold, and actual cash by opening.

Absolute value of a number describes the distance from zero, and opening locked you almost always go negative in both game gold and your cash.

Economics 101

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You always went negative in cash, because you are paying to obtain virtual items. This has not changed. It's only perception that makes something virtual worth a dollar figure, and that perception is in the eye of the beholder.

Get to farmin.there are so many ways to make gold now that it isnt even funny.sorry that buring $100 bills wont make you a bazzilionaire anymore,but farming your butt off will! I love the new system as i am a hardcore farmer.Especially during events! I know some ppl dont have the time to farm nd such but you can still make a couple mill a whole lot faster by opening locked.i have still to loot an arcane from these new rengol crates LOL. then again iv only opened about 175 chests...my luck was always HOORRRIBLE opening locked .that is why i would rather farm for hours on loot that is guaranteed rather than a stiff kick in the butt from ren'gol chests.im not saying i dont spend money as my plat history is almost 40k now....i just buy way less nowdays due to having my chest rates nerfed ! (Least thats what i keep telling myself) huhu xD :banana:

Let A = Amount of Plat you spend.
Let Va = Value of that plat.
Let X = time in minutes
Let P = Amount of plat other players spend.
Va = 1/(_x=-5∫^x=5X*P)

Hmm, gotta work on my mathy type things. Anyway, the point is the value of each plat spent is inversely related to the total amount of plat spent. Extreme example, if only one person spent plat then the plat items would be worth hundreds of millions. If EVERYONE spent plat, the plat items would be worth, give or take, liquidation.

I imagine if the prices is as high as last season, there will be a lot of people don't want to invest their time trying to gather 20-100 mil gold just to be competitive in this game and their options only quit this game. This present prices just give majority of players hope to be competitive in this game and keep them playing this game.

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Originally Posted by avikk

What is amount of time doing in that equation.... Your math type thingy looks broke to me.



And there you have it, why low prices are good for the majority and why it was eventually going to happen.

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In addition to avikk and Newcomx's comments, I do agree that it was going to eventually happen. If all the plat buyers got maxed out when prices were that high, no one would want to buy those items because it was virtually impossible for a f2p to reach those goals. So those shards and fossils would just sit in cs and then the price would go lower as they got undercutted eventually ending up to the prices we have atm anyways. Basic business. So i dont see why plat buyers are complaining about it

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Originally Posted by avikk

What is amount of time doing in that equation.... Your math type thingy looks broke to me.

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It is the amount of time surrounding when you spend your plat. Easy example there is if you buy ankhs to sell. Players that bought ankhs to sell three months ago have much less effect on the price you can sell your ankhs at then players that bought them around the same time as you.

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Originally Posted by notfaded1

How do u think f2p people get the game all? U do realize programmers don't work for free right? Smart piss off all the people that make the game possible that's genius! Candy just said what anyone with half a brain knows even if they don't spend real money... there's zero reason to now which doesn't suggest much future for the game. You can't get something from nothing.

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Strategy, strategy, strategy.

When the Ren'gol expansion first came out, did plat users not make a ton of gold by popping locks? The same will be true if they have the patience to save plat for Ursoth locks. You have to open strategically now. Or use plat on other things like luck elixirs.

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Originally Posted by avikk

Is broke.

Your equation is missing a lot of elements.

Plat is also affected by the release of content by the developers... Whenever a new event comes out plat value up up up... New expansion, plat related weekends.

How is time surrounding? I would say its affected by time of the year.


Atleast that would be my opinion as an Arlorian. I don't have any economics degrees, I was a science student(in the loosest meaning possible for that term). Plus I've only been studying the economy of AL for about a year or so so I'm still a newb.

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OK, how about Va = math type thingy + entropy
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Im over it, the era of the plat players has come to an end.

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Originally Posted by e'dria♡

Im over it, the era of the plat players has come to an end.

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Well if plat spenders stop how will the game survive? Remember sts need plat spenders to pay the cost..nothing is for free now.. They need to pay the man power..


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Originally Posted by notfaded1:2229742

How do u think f2p people get the game all? U do realize programmers don't work for free right? Smart piss off all the people that make the game possible that's genius! Candy just said what anyone with half a brain knows even if they don't spend real money... there's zero reason to now which doesn't suggest much future for the game. You can't get something from nothing.

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This analysis is flawed and I'm tired of hearing it. A completely free-to-play player who is active very much supports game development and STS financially, by being a consumer of auction house /trade window products like elixirs, vanities, event energies, gear and eggs from crates, etc etc. The active farmer, be they no-plat or moderate plat usage, is integral to the game economy, creating the necessary demand for plat purchased commodities. To accuse working/middle class players of wanting "something from nothing" is misleading.

Just as in the real world, extreme divisions of wealth are socio-economically unhealthy. A thriving working/middle class is good for the game.

Eh I got wild hair opened 5m of large Ren locked.

3 shards
7 mythic bodies
1 mari
About 5 of those pink eggs, some jewels, and pink junkers
4 fang, one lunar, one ruby

What the heck is up with the shard drops???? They rain no matter what.

The two sides are not agreeing on one thing. The game needs both F2P players and plat-spenders.

Why?

The plat-spender sinks his/her money into the game in hopes of a head-start in the game relative to the other players. He/she funds the game keeping it alive. The F2P player is not a free-rider as some might think. They are just as important because they exist as the market that buys the mythics/arcanes the plat-spenders loot. What good is supply with no demand? And vice versa. On a similar note, the majority of the plat-spenders' PvP kills probably come from F2P player deaths (Food for thought).

There are misconceptions about both sides. Many plat-spenders believe F2P want everything cheap while F2P players believe plat-spenders want an absolute advantage with everything. Not everything is so black and white.

Both want the longevity of the game, it's just a matter of opinion on how to reach it. In the hey-days of the game, I'm sure STG's profits soared with all of the plat-spending, but at one point or another they will have to try to reel in the disillusioned F2P players (because of the wealth disparity).

All in all, the game needs both sides. The game would die without money but it would also die without players.

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

Eh I got wild hair opened 5m of large Ren locked.

3 shards
7 mythic bodies
1 mari
About 5 of those pink eggs, some jewels, and pink junkers
4 fang, one lunar, one ruby

What the heck is up with the shard drops???? They rain no matter what.

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So you did break even after all. In fact you almost tripled your the gold invested in crates. Sounds great ;)

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Originally Posted by Jazzi

So you did break even after all. In fact you almost tripled your the gold invested in crates. Sounds great ;)

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Can't sell the armor at all.
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Originally Posted by Candylicks

Can't sell the armor at all.
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Really? Why is that? Genuine question... I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Jazzi

Really? Why is that? Genuine question... I don't get it.

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People don't want the Mage and war ones. I'm using the Rogue one it's better than imbued once gemmed.

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

People don't want the Mage and war ones. I'm using the Rogue one it's better than imbued once gemmed.

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Oh, I see. Well I haven't compared the stats for the mage and warrior one, but I have seen some mages and warriors in those in camp. If they are that bad maybe sts should buff them. Many rogues seem to use the rogue one. I personally sold my imbued, bought lvl 46 legendary potency set and never looked back :)

All this conflicts between plat spender or free player, that's why I like clash of clans even that is very boring game.

Interesting thread. As far as the "relative value" discussion, there are just too many angles. What is more valuable to you? For people who already have a lot of money, time may be of more value. If you base it on pure amount of gold in game, then it is probably at the bottom, who knows, it can sink lower. In terms of reaching end-game goals and objectives, it's pretty much even because before the chances were lower but hitting that big jackpot could get you there. Now, the drop chances are higher so you can obtain more items, thus the gold valve will be lower since there is more supply.

If you skimmed through the threads over time it was the people who spent money on this game and got absolutely nothing that ended up quitting in disgust. Of course there are people who quit because they felt hopeless competing against plat whales or just plain got bored of the game; but these people don't affect revenues like the plat buyers. So sts addressed the issue that was affecting their best interests. Was it the best way? It is hard to say as it is currently in motion and a wild ride for everyone. I don't see any many threads of people threatening to quit so I guess it's working.

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Originally Posted by Rogueulator

If you skimmed through the threads over time it was the people who spent money on this game and got absolutely nothing that ended up quitting in disgust. Of course there are people who quit because they felt hopeless competing against plat whales or just plain got bored of the game; but these people don't affect revenues like the plat buyers.

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How non-plat buyer don't affect revenues? They buy locked opener items for gold, that's the reason why plat spender keep opening crates, because the demand. If the prices is too high, reasonable non-plat player will quit because they can see their future in this game will never be competitive. So, to who locked opener will sell their items? To another locked opener? Most of them already have everything. If the locked opener see that lesser demand because of lesser player playing this game, they stop opening locked and at the end stop buying plat. That's how non-plat buyer affect revenues.

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Originally Posted by Newcomx

How non-plat buyer don't affect revenues? They buy locked opener items for gold, that's the reason why plat spender keep opening crates, because the demand. If the prices is too high, reasonable non-plat player will quit because they can see their future in this game will never be competitive. So, to who locked opener will sell their items? To another locked opener? Most of them already have everything. If the locked opener see that lesser demand because of lesser player playing this game, they stop opening locked and at the end stop buying plat. That's how non-plat buyer affect revenues.

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Yes, plat-spenders are the producers and F2P are the consumers. The Supply and the Demand, respectively.

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Originally Posted by Newcomx

How non-plat buyer don't affect revenues? They buy locked opener items for gold, that's the reason why plat spender keep opening crates, because the demand. If the prices is too high, reasonable non-plat player will quit because they can see their future in this game will never be competitive. So, to who locked opener will sell their items? To another locked opener? Most of them already have everything. If the locked opener see that lesser demand because of lesser player playing this game, they stop opening locked and at the end stop buying plat. That's how non-plat buyer affect revenues.

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Let me put it this way. It hurts STS as a company much more to lose a spending customer than a non-spending customer. Most of the F2P players come and go, and then there are the hardcore gamers. There are enough of these two types of F2P players to support the in-game economy. Your example is an extreme where the F2P players will cease to exist, which will NEVER happen.