A scamming issue

Lately, I noticed there has been a lot of scammers in pl ever before.
Every day when I log in pl and do my merching business and whatnot, I come across people who are looking to buy items more priced than cs. For example, I come across ( wont put his name out there ) this dude who's buying a death shotgun/talon set for 5m, then when i searched these items in cs, I see the same shotgun/death talon set by 1 person. That got me thinking.... People are willing to scam ur money by using alts to list overpriced items. I just want the community to be aware of this issue that has risen lately.

Is that really scamming or is that just really smart?

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Originally Posted by Kixxler

Is that really scamming or is that just really smart?

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I would consider it scamming since if u would buy their overpriced items from their alt and then try to sell it to them, they would just run off....

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Originally Posted by Kixxler

Is that really scamming or is that just really smart?

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I believe that there are no "scams," just people falling for stupid things. If it seems WAYYYYYY too good to be true, it probably is.

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Originally Posted by Trenton

I believe that there are no "scams," just people falling for stupid things. If it seems WAYYYYYY too good to be true, it probably is.

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Couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by Trenton

I believe that there are no "scams," just people falling for stupid things. If it seems WAYYYYYY too good to be true, it probably is.

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++1

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Originally Posted by Trenton

I believe that there are no "scams," just people falling for stupid things. If it seems WAYYYYYY too good to be true, it probably is.

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Preach.

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Originally Posted by Trenton

I believe that there are no "scams," just people falling for stupid things. If it seems WAYYYYYY too good to be true, it probably is.

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But that's the point of the word scam - people being able to bend and twist different laws and concepts of the game mechanics in order to benefit themselves, and hurt someone else. So it's different for different people - whereas, a player that isn't as familiar with the game could easily be "scammed" and then there are those who think they have nothing to worry about, and then perform a "stupid" act.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by XghostzX

But that's the point of the word scam - people being able to bend and twist different laws and concepts of the game mechanics in order to benefit themselves, and hurt someone else. So it's different for different people - whereas, a player that isn't as familiar with the game could easily be "scammed" and then there are those who think they have nothing to worry about, and then perform a "stupid" act.

Just my 2 cents.

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I get what you're saying, as I've actually been "scammed" when I was a noob and it obviously doesn't feel good, but my point was just to say that if people pay attention, it'd be alot easier to not get scammed. Half of the scam threads are "Oh, he DID put down 1.7m for my beastly set but at the last second changed it to 170k and omgosh I got scammed." <--- I guess I'm not fully comprehending ALL the scams that are out there, as you are definitely right about it, I'm just thinking about the people that don't pay attention and then have people feel sorry for them for "getting scammed."

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Originally Posted by Trenton

I get what you're saying, as I've actually been "scammed" when I was a noob and it obviously doesn't feel good, but my point was just to say that if people pay attention, it'd be alot easier to not get scammed. Half of the scam threads are "Oh, he DID put down 1.7m for my beastly set but at the last second changed it to 170k and omgosh I got scammed." <--- I guess I'm not fully comprehending ALL the scams that are out there, as you are definitely right about it, I'm just thinking about the people that don't pay attention and then have people feel sorry for them for "getting scammed."

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Yeah man! I totally agree - I think what I'm saying is that the definition of scamming is being "stupid" for falling for tricks; that a word was needed to fit this type of definition.

I saw the Death guy!
He said Death Talon and Shotgun said for 5m..

Internal sonugly^^
Also, I did this when I first started out... I thought I was so smart. But it's better to earn money the right way. It feels Bette when you finally accomplish it.

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Originally Posted by Sheriff:1212023

I saw the Death guy!
He said Death Talon and Shotgun said for 5m..

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Exactly, both sets.

I've seen this a lot but this isn't a scam. This is social manipulation which happens in every day life. Not a scam, just not legitimate.

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Originally Posted by Swords:1211775

Lately, I noticed there has been a lot of scammers in pl ever before.
Every day when I log in pl and do my merching business and whatnot, I come across people who are looking to buy items more priced than cs. For example, I come across ( wont put his name out there ) this dude who's buying a death shotgun/talon set for 5m, then when i searched these items in cs, I see the same shotgun/death talon set by 1 person. That got me thinking.... People are willing to scam ur money by using alts to list overpriced items. I just want the community to be aware of this issue that has risen lately.

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Na. I don't define scamming as listing a set or item, then getting an alt to try to sell for more.

IMO, scamming is when someone goes "ya here give me (X amount) of gold and ill give you your Item after trade" then leaving and never seeing that scammed person ever again

Um.
Yesterday I went on PL and almost as soon as I got on, this guy spammed me he's selling a red dragon for 5million.
Not the Armor, but the real vanity pet.
Since he spammed me, I went into trade, and guess what?

He put Red dragon ARMOR, and told me it was a red dragon vanity pet, but StG put the wrong name.

I muted him after that.

This is a scam and an old one too...
It's also bannable so report anyone trying to cheat others.

The point is so called scammers innovate new ways of scamming to make fool peoples thus peoples have to be smarter in first place. then again the line comes true there's no scamming, its just the foolish peoples.

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Originally Posted by Shadowstar

Um.
Yesterday I went on PL and almost as soon as I got on, this guy spammed me he's selling a red dragon for 5million.
Not the Armor, but the real vanity pet.
Since he spammed me, I went into trade, and guess what?

He put Red dragon ARMOR, and told me it was a red dragon vanity pet, but StG put the wrong name.

I muted him after that.

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Sigh. That's just low.

I like to call them out publicly and make fools of them.
In the case of this type of scam yell out loud that "it's in cs for less listed by "x" stop spamming and buy it yourself, that is unless you don't think we all know that you are "x", don't be a noob scammer, do you think we're dumb ect.."

Or those double gold guys, just point out that their wearing 2k worth of gear therefore it's obvious to everyone that they can't do what they say, so quit being a nubscammer.
They usually run from me quickly.

The added benefit is that anyone in that town that didn't know how the scam worked may now understand how it works.

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Originally Posted by XghostzX

But that's the point of the word scam - people being able to bend and twist different laws and concepts of the game mechanics in order to benefit themselves, and hurt someone else. So it's different for different people - whereas, a player that isn't as familiar with the game could easily be "scammed" and then there are those who think they have nothing to worry about, and then perform a "stupid" act.

Just my 2 cents.

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I have this feeling that anyone who has the money to merch a death set isn't too new to the game.

This is a scam by STS's definition, and it is bannable and definitely reportable.
A similar scam, less formidable, is that a person lists an item X in CS and states "if you buy X, I will give you Y".
(Y is worth substantially more than X, and thus newer players fall bait to this.)

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Originally Posted by Suentous PO

I like to call them out publicly and make fools of them.
In the case of this type of scam yell out loud that "it's in cs for less listed by "x" stop spamming and buy it yourself, that is unless you don't think we all know that you are "x", don't be a noob scammer, do you think we're dumb ect.."

Or those double gold guys, just point out that their wearing 2k worth of gear therefore it's obvious to everyone that they can't do what they say, so quit being a nubscammer.
They usually run from me quickly.

The added benefit is that anyone in that town that didn't know how the scam worked may now understand how it works.

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I like calling out the "selling promo codes" BS.

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Originally Posted by XghostzX

But that's the point of the word scam - people being able to bend and twist different laws and concepts of the game mechanics in order to benefit themselves, and hurt someone else. So it's different for different people - whereas, a player that isn't as familiar with the game could easily be "scammed" and then there are those who think they have nothing to worry about, and then perform a "stupid" act.

Just my 2 cents.

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This trick only works when the victim makes an assumption about what price he/she can sell the items for. In this respect, anyone who tries to "buy low and sell high" is potentially going to get stuck with an item he/she can't offload for more than it was bought for. Obviously losing money buy and selling gear is not a scam, because you never really know what buyers will pay or when they'll change their minds. This specific "scam" is just a case of someone trying to goad others into into making a bad decision, and is one of the oldest cons around.

Of course this doesn't excuse the behavior, and PL would be a better place without these people. So as long as STS considers it a scam, report away. It seems to me like this would require a lot of effort for STS to prove that's what the person was doing though.

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Originally Posted by Suentous PO

I like to call them out publicly and make fools of them.
In the case of this type of scam yell out loud that "it's in cs for less listed by "x" stop spamming and buy it yourself, that is unless you don't think we all know that you are "x", don't be a noob scammer, do you think we're dumb ect.."

Or those double gold guys, just point out that their wearing 2k worth of gear therefore it's obvious to everyone that they can't do what they say, so quit being a nubscammer.
They usually run from me quickly.

The added benefit is that anyone in that town that didn't know how the scam worked may now understand how it works.

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Now, I want to hang out with you in towns more often. ;)

In the real world there are companies, i.e. Banks, that do that to commodities and food. They say that they are "making a market", and people/sheeple believe them, but they are still scammers. So yes, it's smart and a scam.

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Originally Posted by Whirlzap:1212777

This is a scam by STS's definition, and it is bannable and definitely reportable.
A similar scam, less formidable, is that a person lists an item X in CS and states "if you buy X, I will give you Y".
(Y is worth substantially more than X, and thus newer players fall bait to this.)

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So...does that mean my local grocery store is scamming me?

And why would anyone sell promo codes when you can just ASK another player for them.

Scam? More like #yolosweg

I call them out too.

'Its listed for X, buy it yourself!" They will usually go away once it becomes obvious that they are trying to trick people by continuing to yell out a price higher than it is listed for in CS.

Originally Posted by Kixxler
Is that really scamming or is that just really smart?

I think thats actually smart not really scamming

Truth

I still think it would put a stop to the " I got scammed stuff " if stg would take player to player trades out of the game. It would slow the spam to

Today Oakwi made a thread about how he got scammed and got locked. I went in game and called the guy out and told him how he is gonna get banned since it was posted in forums. The little kid got so scared that he told me he was gonna give the stuff back to Oakwi as soon as he logs in. Good luck Oakwi :)

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Originally Posted by javiemma

Today Oakwi made a thread about how he got scammed and got locked. I went in game and called the guy out and told him how he is gonna get banned since it was posted in forums. The little kid got so scared that he told me he was gonna give the stuff back to Oakwi as soon as he logs in. Good luck Oakwi :)

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bahahahaha good job javie :)

I'm currently tracking down the major yolasite scam circle.

I accidentally met up with one of the members of this circle and I am currently trying to know how many ppl are involved in that specific circle.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

I'm currently tracking down the major yolasite scam circle.

I accidentally met up with one of the members of this circle and I am currently trying to know how many ppl are involved in that specific circle.

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Work with Sue together, he's the expert for these yolasite guys.

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Originally Posted by DocDoBig

Work with Sue together, he's the expert for these yolasite guys.

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I think I will actually!

Here's the page that yola wants people who violate their tos reported,
https://www.yola.com/support/contact/report-abuse
It seems like they have no weekend support, but when I've reported a site on the weekend it's pulled early Monday.

But it sounds like your goin undercover a bit. I wonder if any of those guys have Alts in other guilds?