Clearing my mind, throwing out some thoughts

Okay so in general I'm not really a fan of going after certain topics on forum because history and in general toxicity showed that sooner or later those kind of threads are being locked down anyway.

So in response of recent thread about Leaderboards I just wanted to throw into discussion few things that have not AT ALL been considered while trying to suggest anything in regards of changing how timed leaderboards are achieved.


1. It's the TEAM of people that I've been running with/being friends with for a long time now. There's more than 20 seasons of this game already whereas timed runs have been with us since very season 2 I believe. I came across 1000's of players and this game made me realize that competitiveness is what really makes this game fun at the very end. Back in the days with PvP leaderboards and CTF rooms filled with people (called Golden days by some old players) to some revitalized version of Honor pvp where people go for some knowledge and skill to score a banner. It's the people for people, sometimes solo, sometimes the team. Always been like this.

2. Enormous amounts of HATE that I also came across in this game because of how competitive I always tried to be in various aspects of the game is undeniably (and actually sadly) part of the gameplay and that's a matter of fact that if you're succesful in this game in a fair way you will ALWAYS face people that either want to put you down because of jealousy or want to put you down because you don't show helping hand. Deal with it, get along - call it whatever. It is what is in here.

3. Arcane Legends have had some aspects of being free to play but pay to play is the major fact of how the game operates and how actually things run so you STILL CAN PLAY this game for free. Don't try to make any leaderboard look like it's necessary for your gameplay because it's not and trust me - ANYONE can be on leaderboard. Work for it.

4. I came across the opinion of "it's not the players, it's the gears" - well sorry but it sounds like that any leaderboard run is being rushed by a bot and not me - an actual person? Not gonna lie, can easily tell someone have no clue what they're saying or what they to say but either way it sounds really bad. It's not the gears, I started with nothing, like everyone else at some point did as well.

5. Never in my ENTIRE AL history I would degrade myself to give anyone or help anyone with spot on leadeboard for any kind of payment. It genuinely hits my pride and ego and yeah I'll admit it BECAUSE everyone have ego and no, I will never be personally sitting there offering slots on leaderboard for any forms of cash = Like it happened with certain guild SELLING slots on Shuyal Arena leaderboard because it was a tough 1 way deal of where only couple people knew how to run it - therefore it got abused.

6. Countless hours, days, weeks and trying to figure out how to run certain maps. Strategies, pets, map layout and sweep, mob placement, trigger spots - You know those? You don't? Well then sorry, don't come at me or anyone I have ever ran with to just say it takes GEARS to achieve anything. Genuinely if some people never ran with me they have no clue how much dedication it went at first to adapt and overcome anything that developers put out there in game so that we could still carry on having fun and stay competitive. Once again I'll say - Work for it.

7. There's not so many OG players left in the game that has been in the game since very launch and if you ask any of them how come you could achieve anything or HIT the leaderboard even none of them will say it was granted or people got on it because by popular demand it got reworked to the point where banners were given to anyone who's been competing.

8. Talking about how game is dead, gold loot kills game, awakenings kill the game, class unbalance kill the game. Sure but then again, you're logging in, you play, you complain - YOU STILL PLAY and you still complain. Adapt and finally overcome otherwise I'd suggest to uninstall the game and try something else because for how long can 1 moan about same topic over and over again? That applies to moaning about leaderboards - then compete and find your own way to do so.

9. It's never been easy and behind the scenes it doesn't look so fun and easy how people think it is just because my team happened to be on those leaderboards for couple seasons now. Granted some game knowledge and experience those actually paid off so we can have those banners and badges for ourselves. Given anyone would compete - sure but if those would be just singlehandedly given to anyone banners and badges lose their value.

10. SPEED IS NOT EVERYTHING and i'll say again IT'S NOT because with basic gears, decent awakenings (game experience and knowledge) you can easily hit and score those for yourself. Kudos to few peeps from I believe "The Collective" guild that got themselves banners from Southern Seas map during season 23- living proof you can compete and get those for yourself.



Last and actually least I'd like to thank everyone I ever had a chance to run with since my journey in timed runs relaunched nearly 10 seasons ago and I actually could compete in those myself because believe it or not - I would not get a banner in the past too and I would not be picked for runs either - called life.

Timed runs now are hard work, dedication and putting some heart to it. It's our hobby that we play this game, it is ENTIRELY MY CHOICE how I spend my time by playing AL therefore I want to compete to achieve as much as I can. Goes for every person that compete in any sort of seasonal leaderboards.


You want some? Get some then.


Thanks for reading,
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Demon

“you want some? get some then.”
simple yet true, nothing comes free in life.
salute to all the ppl who became legends in this game.

Hard work and dedication? They don't understand, Demon. You lost them right there. Instead of getting good, they want the bar lowered to their own potentials. Let's try to get their game play nerfed. They are so thirsty for what they can't have that they begin to plot against those who have it.

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Ppl have become obsessed with the insane idea of equality of outcome, instead of equality of opportunity

Pretty sure the post was about one player being in multiple spots on the same dungeon lb. But whatever i guess...

The point it's about the stack of the same people in the lb. The top players deserves top spots, but not all the spots Aviable.
did u ever see some competition were the same guy took place 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 ?
What the people are complaining about is that some leaderboard list like hauntlet and planar shouldn't be filled with multiple times of the 4-5 same people.
Also the virtual world of arcane legends allows the same player to switch between accounts and get another lb banner.
That's not against the game tos or something else but that's extremely disappointing for the community.

That's the Key of the thread and I don't think that this issue will be fixed easily, because u can't force players to share what accounts they own.

So for all of those legit reasons people complains about ranked leaderboards and it whould be right for people to admit the truth.

sup im og player and can say for most part the devs are doing a great job and they never get praise for

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Originally Posted by Dispressor

The point it's about the stack of the same people in the lb. The top players deserves top spots, but not all the spots Aviable.
did u ever see some competition were the same guy took place 1-2-3-4-5-6-7 ?
What the people are complaining about is that some leaderboard list like hauntlet and planar shouldn't be filled with multiple times of the 4-5 same people.
Also the virtual world of arcane legends allows the same player to switch between accounts and get another lb banner.
That's not against the game tos or something else but that's extremely disappointing for the community.

That's the Key of the thread and I don't think that this issue will be fixed easily, because u can't force players to share what accounts they own.

So for all of those legit reasons people complains about ranked leaderboards and it whould be right for people to admit the truth.

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But admit what truth? That 1 team took over timed leaderboards because they're skilled enough to do so? Yeah I've seen competition where same people took multiple spots everywhere. Deviant Misfits, Enigmatic, Eminence - old guilds filled with timed runners.
Hauntlet was not obtained by any endgame guild for 20 SEASONS (exclude season 11 bug). What about people doing seasonal leaderboards with more than 1 account aps wise? What about people farming kills to get those APS done as well.
What about people running Hydra, Orrick or Gates on same account but different classes?

That's not against the game tos <- Your words, therefore for Hauntlet there is 25 slots and every single 1 is with different setup = different record set.
What's disappointing for the community is the fact people are too lazy to contest it or to figure out how to compete, sick of just listening to moaning how it's unobtainable when it is.

I'd vote to change that. A static team of 4 with only 2 chars each could claim almost all 25 lb spots if they make use of all possible constellations. I agree that most should try (maybe they did and we don't know) and generally everybody likes to complain.
I dont see why the same players on multiple chars can be on one and the same lb. Especially talking about a scenario above where exactly the same 3-4 players claim most of the lb with different chars. The placements should contain different players. Not only for low-level timeds but also hydra, evg, temple and all others. That isn't about you or anyone else in your team/guild/friends. Example - temple lb where I went top10 with 2 chars in two runs. Doesn't seem intended to me and should be changed. Don't understand me wrong XD I will not do timeds either way. I dont believe I need to to suggest a change.

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I'd vote to change that. A static team of 4 with only 2 chars each could claim almost all 25 lb spots if they make use of all possible constellations. I agree that most should try (maybe they did and we don't know) and generally everybody likes to complain.
I dont see why the same players on multiple chars can be on one and the same lb. Especially talking about a scenario above where exactly the same 3-4 players claim most of the lb with different chars. The placements should contain different players. Not only for low-level timeds but also hydra, evg, temple and all others. That isn't about you or anyone else in your team/guild/friends. Example - temple lb where I went top10 with 2 chars in two runs. Doesn't seem intended to me and should be changed. Don't understand me wrong XD I will not do timeds either way. I dont believe I need to to suggest a change.

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Vote to change what exactly? Static team of 4 with only 2 chars each? I have around 10 people in team, there's also around 30 if not more people appearing on the leaderboard as well. Change what? I'm lost in all those arguments honestly.

We talk about the current state of game not on what appens in previous seasons, so maybe now we can fix the unfair system used in the past.
I explain better the discourse of the accounts with an example.
It is as if Michael Phelps could participate in all the qualifiers and obviously being the best he would win all the places for the final. What does it mean? He is already the best and will win the gold medal for which reason he must also be classified in all the other free spaces.
And I found difficult to belive that u run in another account without passing any items from main.
The arguments for me do not exist, if you intend to understand it is all written in the previous post.

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Vote to change what exactly? Static team of 4 with only 2 chars each? I have around 10 people in team, there's also around 30 if not more people appearing on the leaderboard as well. Change what? I'm lost in all those arguments honestly.

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You can only be listed once per account per lb category. A team that includes you again will not be listed in the same category as a second spot. Improvement will "overwrite" previous record even if only 1 person of that party runs again with another party.

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And I found difficult to belive that u run in another account without passing any items from main.
The arguments for me do not exist, if you intend to understand it is all written in the previous post.

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But who has ever mentioned that Im not doing timed runs with different classes? Of course I do and it's same account just different alts.

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You can only be listed once per account per lb category. A team that includes you again will not be listed in the same category as a second spot. Improvement will "overwrite" previous record even if only 1 person of that party runs again with another party.

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So I'm supposed to run 1 map out of 50 in 1 leaderboard just so other people can have a chance by me not contesting the same category? Wait what. lol

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So I'm supposed to run 1 map out of 50 in 1 leaderboard just so other people can have a chance by me not contesting the same category? Wait what. lol

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This is a suggestion and open for changes. You can run every story map as they contain individual challenges. Or you could put them into brackets of maps of each expansion. I was only talking about hauntlet, arena, evg, temple, orrick, hydra etc. in the top post. I really thought I don't have to mention all lbs as it is pretty clear what the thought behind it is. To make it clear, I would not include top players or top hc lbs, no event lbs and maybe include seasonals top players or top hcs. As said open for changes to deal with the issue I mentioned and feel to need corrected.

So...

Based on the changes being suggested...

If I made a seasonal mage and got #1... I shouldn't then proceed to make a war and rogue the same season and also make them hit #1...

Also if I've hit leaderboard 1 season... I shouldn't do it again the next season...


I tell you what...


Why dont we just get rid of Leaderboards altogether and just kill off any form of competition because its that's the road it seems people want to go down because they having a hard time getting on it and are unhappy that others are dominating it at the moment.



There is more different people that appear record runs now than there has ever been before.

That's because in the past those record runner groups were small and rather toxic with the competition between each other...

Now you have a good size team of people that have fun and slowly taking more different people out there to experience being on record runs...


However, that's something to be grateful for not just something you should expect to happen.


This isn't the old days where 1% of players who have Arcane rings or SnS pet dominate the game.


As i keep saying, most just lack actual friendships and teamwork and instead of fixing themselves, they want to try to adjust things around them instead to suit their selfish/toxic ways.


If you want more advice and tips about how to make friends and one day be able to compete for lb with your own team, feel free to hit me up.


Meantime lets stop this "oh everything broken lets change it" attitude and lets work on changing ourselves instead to be able to achieve the goals we want to achieve whilst being a positive influence to those around us.




New Year, New Me.


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Originally Posted by QuaseT

This is a suggestion and open for changes. You can run every story map as they contain individual challenges. Or you could put them into brackets of maps of each expansion. I was only talking about hauntlet, arena, evg, temple, orrick, hydra etc. in the top post. I really thought I don't have to mention all lbs as it is pretty clear what the thought behind it is. To make it clear, I would not include top players or top hc lbs, no event lbs and maybe include seasonals top players or top hcs. As said open for changes to deal with the issue I mentioned and feel to need corrected.

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An none of this would work either..

I get top arena for example on my main... sure if the rest of my times might not appear anymore but if i wanted to i make a new account completely level it up, pass gears and i still do same thing... so its pointless to try implement something like that...

Also could say once you get a time on lb the game doesn't let u run map again unless ur wiped out... well what about people who run last hours of a season so i dont have a chance to compete?

Again it doesn't work.


There isn't anything wrong with LB and only thing that needs to change is people's attitudes.

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Originally Posted by BaronB

So...

Based on the changes being suggested...

If I made a seasonal mage and got #1... I shouldn't then proceed to make a war and rogue the same season and also make them hit #1...

Also if I've hit leaderboard 1 season... I shouldn't do it again the next season...


I tell you what...


Why dont we just get rid of Leaderboards altogether and just kill off any form of competition because its that's the road it seems people want to go down because they having a hard time getting on it and are unhappy that others are dominating it at the moment.



There is more different people that appear record runs now than there has ever been before.

That's because in the past those record runner groups were small and rather toxic with the competition between each other...

Now you have a good size team of people that have fun and slowly taking more different people out there to experience being on record runs...


However, that's something to be grateful for not just something you should expect to happen.


This isn't the old days where 1% of players who have Arcane rings or SnS pet dominate the game.


As i keep saying, most just lack actual friendships and teamwork and instead of fixing themselves, they want to try to adjust things around them instead to suit their selfish/toxic ways.


If you want more advice and tips about how to make friends and one day be able to compete for lb with your own team, feel free to hit me up.


Meantime lets stop this "oh everything broken lets change it" attitude and lets work on changing ourselves instead to be able to achieve the goals we want to achieve whilst being a positive influence to those around us.




New Year, New Me.


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Just for the top example. War and rog are two different categories of the hardcore seasonals so I'd say no, you can still do it. An example I'd include is if I make 10 warriors and tie them all on hc lb. I mean it still a matter of how would you like the lb to look like. I'd rather see 10 new players on it then me with 10 chars. I don't believe I am in a fair competition with new players either there.

Its mainly op awakes, as one of guys that you carried to lb claims. Earlier one person flexed on (Hear me out lb) thread. He mentioned it was fast and easy to get, and didnt take much time or effort.

The ms stuff not fair, cus like some with 200ms vs 500ms. You just yourself clear the whole map before the guy manages to run to boss. i bet u familiar with this anyways.

Anyways most maps you 1tap every mobs, so all what matters is how much ur speed while running to end where timer stops.

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Its mainly op awakes, as one of guys that you carried to lb claims. Earlier one person flexed on (Hear me out lb) thread. He mentioned it was fast and easy to get, and didnt take much time or effort.

The ms stuff not fair, cus like some with 200ms vs 500ms. You just yourself clear the whole map before the guy manages to run to boss. i bet u familiar with this anyways.

Anyways most maps you 1tap every mobs, so all what matters is how much ur speed while running to end where timer stops.

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Seems plenty “fair” to me that we put to use the gear we spent our gold on to get 🤷*♀️

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An none of this would work either..

I get top arena for example on my main... sure if the rest of my times might not appear anymore but if i wanted to i make a new account completely level it up, pass gears and i still do same thing... so its pointless to try implement something like that...

Also could say once you get a time on lb the game doesn't let u run map again unless ur wiped out... well what about people who run last hours of a season so i dont have a chance to compete?

Again it doesn't work.


There isn't anything wrong with LB and only thing that needs to change is people's attitudes.

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Using multiple accounts as single person was a reason to get banned when I asked devs in pm years ago during 3rd bday event. I know people do it and arent banned to this day so yes its a problem.
You can improve ur own record as often as u want. Just the best one counts so it means once u have a better time the old, slower run will vanish from lb. You aren't limited in the amount of tries or the day you achieve the record.

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Using multiple accounts as single person was a reason to get banned when I asked devs in pm years ago during 3rd bday event. I know people do it and arent banned to this day so yes its a problem.

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Having and using more than one acc is not a reason to get banned
I asked devs more than once
No different than having multiple toons

Using 2 accounts to exploit the game is

Big difference

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Originally Posted by QuaseT

Just for the top example. War and rog are two different categories of the hardcore seasonals so I'd say no, you can still do it. An example I'd include is if I make 10 warriors and tie them all on hc lb. I mean it still a matter of how would you like the lb to look like. I'd rather see 10 new players on it then me with 10 chars. I don't believe I am in a fair competition with new players either there.

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Alright ill give you a better more personal example


Last week i got asked if i wanted to try have a go at Arena LB, why not i figured and went along and we running for couple hours.. tbf was fun too as quite a few silly nab moments but afterwards i check the lbs and yeah my name appears like 5/6 times... one of them i was up there solo as the others left the map knowing it was unlikely a record run and i stayed till the end and bam i was ranked 17th lol

(obviously LBs been cleared an that wouldn't have stayed but nether the less i appeared on 5 diff recs with the same 4 man team I've been running for the last 2 hours)

What needs to be made clear is that at no point is anyone sitting there thinking

"oh lets keep running and make sure no one else can ever get LB"

it just happened that we were beating our own times within fractions of seconds which was still better time then what others had been getting.

Now that doesn't mean LB is broken or needs fixing as such.

If it was because the team that kept getting the best times had unfair advantage ... for example had a pet that helped greatly but its limited number of players had such egg (like when SNS was first given as lb prize before anyone else could get it)

Then i could understand wanting to try change things...

However, there isn't a single thing that's unfair...

Sure might not gotten as lucky with some awakes but with enough gold u can buy everything you need and you dont even need plats for it as with enough time u can even farm the gold just means you work harder but it can still be done...


So what exactly is unfair?

What we should make it easier for people because they dont want to try quite as hard?

Lets behave ourselves now, shall we?


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I do agree with the fair competition and If there was something that needed changing I'm always an advocate for it and always have been.

However again, ill repeat myself.

There isn't anything wrong with leaderboards.


Why instead to practice what I preach with fairness knowing the leaderboard is as fair as it can be already, instead I try to encourage and advocate those timed runners to be more open and take new people out too...

Of course, there is going to be times they won't want to share all secrets etc which is the same I know as helpful as you are you wouldn't want to risk trying harder APs on hardcore for complete strangers either.

But at least its been the correct type of change and results of which seems to be more and more variations that appear on those timed runs then has done before.

Again it shouldn't be something ever expected.

Just because someone has level capped or done all APs etc, that's their own achievements.

If you expect that person has to help others then that's selfish. If they do decide to help however its making sure to show gratitude instead.

Its starts boiling down to even should someone charge a person just for finding elite boss on HC as well.


We free to voice our opinions by all means its healthy... But lets not keep trying to advocate changing something that isn't broken that's unhealthy.

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Originally Posted by BaronB

Alright ill give you a better more personal example


Last week i got asked if i wanted to try have a go at Arena LB, why not i figured and went along and we running for couple hours.. tbf was fun too as quite a few silly nab moments but afterwards i check the lbs and yeah my name appears like 5/6 times... one of them i was up there solo as the others left the map knowing it was unlikely a record run and i stayed till the end and bam i was ranked 17th lol

(obviously LBs been cleared an that wouldn't have stayed but nether the less i appeared on 5 diff recs with the same 4 man team I've been running for the last 2 hours)

What needs to be made clear is that at no point is anyone sitting there thinking

"oh lets keep running and make sure no one else can ever get LB"

it just happened that we were beating our own times within fractions of seconds which was still better time then what others had been getting.

Now that doesn't mean LB is broken or needs fixing as such.

If it was because the team that kept getting the best times had unfair advantage ... for example had a pet that helped greatly but its limited number of players had such egg (like when SNS was first given as lb prize before anyone else could get it)

Then i could understand wanting to try change things...

However, there isn't a single thing that's unfair...

Sure might not gotten as lucky with some awakes but with enough gold u can buy everything you need and you dont even need plats for it as with enough time u can even farm the gold just means you work harder but it can still be done...


So what exactly is unfair?

What we should make it easier for people because they dont want to try quite as hard?

Lets behave ourselves now, shall we?


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I do agree with the fair competition and If there was something that needed changing I'm always an advocate for it and always have been.

However again, ill repeat myself.

There isn't anything wrong with leaderboards.


Why instead to practice what I preach with fairness knowing the leaderboard is as fair as it can be already, instead I try to encourage and advocate those timed runners to be more open and take new people out too...

Of course, there is going to be times they won't want to share all secrets etc which is the same I know as helpful as you are you wouldn't want to risk trying harder APs on hardcore for complete strangers either.

But at least its been the correct type of change and results of which seems to be more and more variations that appear on those timed runs then has done before.

Again it shouldn't be something ever expected.

Just because someone has level capped or done all APs etc, that's their own achievements.

If you expect that person has to help others then that's selfish. If they do decide to help however its making sure to show gratitude instead.

Its starts boiling down to even should someone charge a person just for finding elite boss on HC as well.


We free to voice our opinions by all means its healthy... But lets not keep trying to advocate changing something that isn't broken that's unhealthy.

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I know you don't but how do you know there isn't somebody who tries to do that with any other lb or has ever tried to do it? Im fine with the fact that you believe its fair and I believe that personal running u mentioned was fair aswell. Personally, I dont think its fair to have 25 spots on lets say arena lb as one person, generally speaking. For example: a trio and just one more "spare" member in each run - with 25 times the same time doesnt deserve to hold all 25 places in my opinion. As I agree its not broken but could be improved imo. I mean why isnt this suggestion allowed? Its just an opinion afterall.

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Using multiple accounts as single person was a reason to get banned when I asked devs in pm years ago during 3rd bday event. I know people do it and arent banned to this day so yes its a problem.
You can improve ur own record as often as u want. Just the best one counts so it means once u have a better time the old, slower run will vanish from lb. You aren't limited in the amount of tries or the day you achieve the record.

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as mention below...

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Originally Posted by Stephencobear

Having and using more than one acc is not a reason to get banned
I asked devs more than once
No different than having multiple toons

Using 2 accounts to exploit the game is

Big difference

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Nether the less again no one is even making different accounts w/e to just block people from being able to hit LB its not even a train of thought.


Besides literally asking the timed team to never run maps again I cant see how you could possibly make things any fairer.


To be honest I don't think people realize just how unfair things could actually be.

An being in the position I am within this game I truly believe I could truly influence things in a direction where LBs are really closed off to people except a handful of players and that would include guilds etc as well.

Alot of what I consider unfair and toxic actions could be implemented such as poaching/bribery/blocking etc to make sure the game becomes an unfair cesspool of toxicity it nearly was once upon a time.

Thankfully I have pride in myself and what I do and I encourage others around me to be the same because of the honest work they put in to be at the stage they are now.


Youve been around me long enough in the past to know the things I say already. If being out this long as made you forget in anyways you know my doors always open if you ever want to see for yourself that what I say isn't just talk :)


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I know you don't but how do you know there isn't somebody who tries to do that with any other lb or has ever tried to do it? Im fine with the fact that you believe its fair and I believe that personal running u mentioned was fair aswell. Personally, I dont think its fair to have 25 spots on lets say arena lb as one person, generally speaking. For example: a trio and just one more "spare" member in each run - with 25 times the same time doesnt deserve to hold all 25 places in my opinion. As I agree its not broken but could be improved imo. I mean why isnt this suggestion allowed? Its just an opinion afterall.

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Yup we have same general idea and that's why for the last year or so now all I do is encourage more players to run with each other, and grateful whenever they do!

Of course goes without saying I don't exactly encourage doing this with just anybody that's not under the same roof as us.

Then also keep it in a way isn't just anyone can come to HS and bam means you have a banner... it would cheapen it and be meaningless but that's something like not going into all my personal business etc etc however not exactly going to keep quiet if unfairness is ever going to be insinuated when I know already how fair things are already and also how much work gets put into actually keeping things as fair as possible.

It would be easier to make things unfair, to be really honest.

I have to disagree with the OP with all respect, but not everyone is able to get lb. You say it's all about hard work, but not everyone is able to spend the same amount of free time to play AL(am mostly talking about long event lb's)

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Nether the less again no one is even making different accounts w/e to just block people from being able to hit LB its not even a train of thought.


Besides literally asking the timed team to never run maps again I cant see how you could possibly make things any fairer.


To be honest I don't think people realize just how unfair things could actually be.

An being in the position I am within this game I truly believe I could truly influence things in a direction where LBs are really closed off to people except a handful of players and that would include guilds etc as well.

Alot of what I consider unfair and toxic actions could be implemented such as poaching/bribery/blocking etc to make sure the game becomes an unfair cesspool of toxicity it nearly was once upon a time.

Thankfully I have pride in myself and what I do and I encourage others around me to be the same because of the honest work they put in to be at the stage they are now.


Youve been around me long enough in the past to know the things I say already. If being out this long as made you forget in anyways you know my doors always open if you ever want to see for yourself that what I say isn't just talk :)


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I have never asked you not to run. Posts were understood in a wrong matter, mainly because I didnt formulate my open suggestion precisely. I didnt think it was necessary. Im neither thankful nor blaming you for anything you do with timeds. You can do everything that is allowed and even everything that is not allowed, and so can I. We are responsable for that ourselves. Im not here to judge or control fairness of existing placements. I tried to explain how I'd change it so threads like this were not necessary. It's alright if you do not see anything wrong with lbs or do not see anything positive in my suggestion. I still see advantages in it for everybody. Not perfect but useful. Ive never run timeds and its unlikely I ever will. I came here because I thought it might be appreciated for suggestions. Maybe it is. Maybe its either just this specific idea that is so horrible or its just me as a person suggesting this. Both would be alright and I see I get further away from topic so I'll let this suggestion stay like this. Cu ingame.

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Originally Posted by Stormydragon

I have to disagree with the OP with all respect, but not everyone is able to get lb. You say it's all about hard work, but not everyone is able to spend the same amount of free time to play AL(am mostly talking about long event lb's)

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Ofc some can spend more time or money in game
Ofc they will accomplish more
It’s a leaderboard not a list of all players
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I have never asked you not to run. Posts were understood in a wrong matter, mainly because I didnt formulate my open suggestion precisely. I didnt think it was necessary. Im neither thankful nor blaming you for anything you do with timeds. You can do everything that is allowed and even everything that is not allowed, and so can I. We are responsable for that ourselves. Im not here to judge or control fairness of existing placements. I tried to explain how I'd change it so threads like this were not necessary. It's alright if you do not see anything wrong with lbs or do not see anything positive in my suggestion. I still see advantages in it for everybody. Not perfect but useful. Ive never run timeds and its unlikely I ever will. I came here because I thought it might be appreciated for suggestions. Maybe it is. Maybe its either just this specific idea that is so horrible or its just me as a person suggesting this. Both would be alright and I see I get further away from topic so I'll let this suggestion stay like this. Cu ingame.

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Behave ya self bud trying to insinuate you a horrible person to make a suggestion tisk

Maybe I'm the one whos come across a little too direct, I do however see the point you were making about the top 25 and as already said agree with you but using the example with myself on arena to get across tho we might find unfair there isn't anything actually wrong with it because there isn't any malice behind it all either.

tho I dont want nor expect any thanks from you or others either, I am however thankful to you for sharing your opinion so we can have this conversation in public for others to read and learn from.

Just like those LB runners, I've got time an respect for you as well Qnab because i know you all have put in your work an effort to get to where you are :)

haha like what you did there at the end ;)... next time i see you parked up next to me in game ill be sure to say High ;)


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They spent the money/time/gold on awakes they can run with as many people as they want if you don't want to see their names on every time run then cough up the gold for awakes or find a team. I do think sharing gear shouldn't be allowed as it can be used to gatekeep other runners. It's like telling the top hydra runners that they're not allowed to run fly vise versa or they can't run any other lb because they're "too strong" and "unfair" even though they spent the gold on the gear.

'lalalalalalala i cant get on lb lalala its all gear no skill'

ok. git good brah. ez

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I recognize some people from back in the day that are still doing records and kudos to that.

But i dont understand why we are granting the 8 banners which looks the same to one individual. Whats the use for this? When we can grant one for his hard work. Its not clear to me what it can be done with all these banners in inventory which look the same.

Competitiveness should take place when you are counting all these different banners at the end of the season in your inventory.

Lb runs are granting more than 200 banners. And thinking that a small group of people can get atleast 150… i dont see no competitiveness here. Especially when we all know how much work was put for any other banner which doesnt involve a lb run.

Can we just pat everyone on the back and get this over with?

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Can we just pat everyone on the back and get this over with?

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I so wish we could. It’s the same drama, from the same people, after the end of every season.

Said people really need the attention clearly. We get it, you want to be Efamous. We get it, you’re trying to crate a business and sell merch, we get it, you’re so amazing and awesome. WE GET IT.

dont judge this man by it looks, even if he tries create business and stuff (that is good thing).

Ppl on laderboards obviously cheat/find bugs that get abused, so thats why nobody got this year on lb apart this small gourp.