Economy collapse for war? A perspective.

Looking at the auction prices for war gears from weapon to artifact, I can't help but to agree with many of the people here that it is truly saddening to see wars "suffering so much losses". As a 76 war myself, I too have lost more than 70m++ even with mostly gold loot gears but I have spent quite some money on awake gems.

Having said that, when I actually think about it, Doz Axe, chasma armor dropping down to 7m+, ebon armor and weapon down to 3m+ etc, while it is undeniable that these are significant losses, I realised these are at the same time

1. Something good to happen to newer, poorer players, gears for wars now become something that's affordable to them so I would expect seeing an increased number of newer wars, and lesser number of senior wars. To the newer wars, chances are high that they might not know anything at all about the proc stacking and may very likely start from the ground up. So the drama are mostly coming from us, senior warriors specifically.

2. As 81 arcanes become more affordable for the average players, say, in the span of the next 8-10 months++, all classes gears would also suffer the same kind of losses as war gears currently are. Old gears would slowly be replaced, regardless of what type of class you are. The gold economy will eventually flow from old gears to newer gears, just like how it has always been since 2012. This applies to newer pets as well, like nekro used to be 50m-100m, and now if we look at the new meta, it is mephisto who replaced nekro at similar pricing.

As harsh as it may sound, wars are just "lucky" to experience the "shifting of gold economy" sooner and in a shorter notice. While it may feel unfair for wars to have to deal with such sudden big losses, I hope this perspective somehow make you feel a little better and justified.

Yes I admit, even for someone like me with a fairly good amount of millions in my hand, the update has been a bitter pill to swallow. Moving forward however, I'm trying to at the very least convince myself and hopefully other wars too that I didn't lose 70m++ but rather I donated/gaveaway them to the AL community who might have needed it more than me.

And no, this is not a crying thread.

This message is for the other wars out there who may still feel frustrated with the update.

Best wishes,
From an open minded 76 war, 76 mage.


P. S. All constructive comments are welcomed.

I was a rouge/mage before this.....and i planning to switch to warrior for an experienced around 1 week before the nerf.....i spent all my gold on warrior gears not knowing that we gonna have a nerf......and now i literally loose all my gold around 50m+ because of the price drop almost 50-70% of the normal price before the nerf.....and it was sad because that was the gold that i kept from events and my hardwork for years....and now there are all gone......

Sorry for my bad english :)

You are comparing the price drop of nekro and other items like arcane ring /fossil which is so misplaced and a very bad example.

Reason: they were common to all classes.
Simple.

This is a new milestone they set by screwing over one specific class so hard that we lost over 50m+ (100m for me) by a well planned decison by sts with them knowing the consequences.
And without compensation since it's only one group affected hard. Sad.

They fail to realise that people spent real money to get gold for their equipment.
Why do you think they would spend money again?

It not only affected how we play but screwed all the gears just like you *positively said to the abyss.

The Forrest scenario you should compare to is not the gold economy shift keeping nekro as an example,
It is the times sts offered compensation to people who got hard hit by their decision (one class in this case)
And should assess who spent their money (at least) on platinum to buy what they had and reimburse them to mitigate losses.
Or for warriors who got highly affected.

70m? Pfft. What about 500m loss feelsgoodman. although that only pisses me 10% of how much removing the diversity of game pissed me off.

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One (I’m sure unpopular) perspective:

If an item is selling for x amount while u use it, but the market becomes less than that,
you do not lose the difference
You temporarily gained that difference while you used it

An item is only worth what u did sell it for not what it might have sold for but didn’t before a change

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Originally Posted by Stephencobear

One (I’m sure unpopular) perspective:

If an item is selling for x amount while u use it, but the market becomes less than that,
you do not lose the difference
You temporarily gained that difference while you used it

An item is only worth what u did sell it for not what it might have sold for but didn’t before a change

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I always expect price losses but not outright collapse of all the stuff I have..also it purely happened one-sided.
Happens in every mmorpg where there's a market u might ask..yes but above the losses you also have a useless char and wasted time. Stuff can be nerfed if they are overturned but not to the point where it's unplayable.

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Originally Posted by firebelt & crystalkiller

I always expect price losses but not outright collapse of all the stuff I have..also it purely happened one-sided.
Happens in every mmorpg where there's a market u might ask..yes but above the losses you also have a useless char and wasted time. Stuff can be nerfed if they are overturned but not to the point where it's unplayable.

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I agree that this affected wars more than all but I also saw my bal staff and ebon staff be came less usable but that does not mean I lost money because I had gained the value of them when I could use them

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Originally Posted by Stephencobear

One (I’m sure unpopular) perspective:

If an item is selling for x amount while u use it, but the market becomes less than that,
you do not lose the difference
You temporarily gained that difference while you used it

An item is only worth what u did sell it for not what it might have sold for but didn’t before a change

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Its unpopular and should not even be an opinion.

What do you say about rogue gears. They used it, now the prices have raised. Mages stagnant.
Where the usage tax on it?
While warriors get tax for all classes combined when all they did was clear mobs?

They make wars strongest or non - existent. Always an extremist decision. Without compensation.
Why don't you make a gradual change for ones just like you do with those arcane items release.

Well that's a different story huh.

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I was a rouge/mage before this.....and i planning to switch to warrior for an experienced around 1 week before the nerf.....i spent all my gold on warrior gears not knowing that we gonna have a nerf......and now i literally loose all my gold around 50m+ because of the price drop almost 50-70% of the normal price before the nerf.....and it was sad because that was the gold that i kept from events and my hardwork for years....and now there are all gone......

Sorry for my bad english :)

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Guess what? I did the exact same thing! HAHAHA

The cute story: I was playing mostly as a 67 war afk in towns and a 76 mage. Then I was like maybe I should try out doing evg with the op war proc stacking shhet, sold some of my rare vanities just to buy the gears smh. I knew it was not a good decision at that time but I was like doesn't matter, I'm only doing this in the short term and will sell them when I quit the game. What was lucky for me was that I only bought gold loot awakes for most item didn't buy any op str item at all because I know gold loot items always retain its value regardless, that was how I only made 70m++ losses while I would otherwise would have lost 150m-200m+, if I didn't include the awake gems I spent, I lost only about 30m-40m++ so it was fairly controlled in that sense xD

Anyway bro yes I can empathize with you the gold you made from events and stuff, but it is what it is sadly we can only wait for things to get better for war or absorb the losses and start again.

Np bro, I'm sure if you write and speak more often it would eventually get better, English is not my first language too :D

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Originally Posted by Mythocrisis

You are comparing the price drop of nekro and other items like arcane ring /fossil which is so misplaced and a very bad example.

Reason: they were common to all classes.
Simple.

This is a new milestone they set by screwing over one specific class so hard that we lost over 50m+ (100m for me) by a well planned decison by sts with them knowing the consequences.
And without compensation since it's only one group affected hard. Sad.

They fail to realise that people spent real money to get gold for their equipment.
Why do you think they would spend money again?

It not only affected how we play but screwed all the gears just like you *positively said to the abyss.

The Forrest scenario you should compare to is not the gold economy shift keeping nekro as an example,
It is the times sts offered compensation to people who got hard hit by their decision (one class in this case)
And should assess who spent their money (at least) on platinum to buy what they had and reimburse them to mitigate losses.
Or for warriors who got highly affected.

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Bud, I'm using nekro as the simplest example, it wasn't my intention to limit it to nekro. Basically what I was primarily referring to include any other items that gets outdated and replaced by newer and better stuff.

And yes agreed with you that it's sad they seen this coming, made the decision knowing the shhet they will be getting and yet still doesn't compensate players who have spent time, money and effort into the game. Big games like Genshen Impact and Mobile Legends frequently compensate players with their rarest in game currency (equivalent to platinum in AL) after every update or changes they made, even though it was not a significant amount but you can tell they care about their players base a lot in terms of the language they use and the action they took.

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Originally Posted by firebelt & crystalkiller

I always expect price losses but not outright collapse of all the stuff I have..also it purely happened one-sided.
Happens in every mmorpg where there's a market u might ask..yes but above the losses you also have a useless char and wasted time. Stuff can be nerfed if they are overturned but not to the point where it's unplayable.

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What about someone who spend 4k $ dollars to get just dozer aegis xD

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Originally Posted by Analytical

Guess what? I did the exact same thing! HAHAHA

The cute story: I was playing mostly as a 67 war afk in towns and a 76 mage. Then I was like maybe I should try out doing evg with the op war proc stacking shhet, sold some of my rare vanities just to buy the gears smh. I knew it was not a good decision at that time but I was like doesn't matter, I'm only doing this in the short term and will sell them when I quit the game.

Np bro, I'm sure if you write and speak more often it would eventually get better, English is not my first language too :D

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Exactly same like me XD I switched to warrior to try the proc stacking and get some experience cuz already bored in mage and rouge and then this happen 😭

Let's face it, war gears are pretty much good for the bin as we speak. 10m or 500m, wars lost a lot. Nothing can be done about that since it already happened, then again if there was a fair warning in advance, the class-specific economical collapse might not have happened so quickly and harshly. Maybe next time we could be informed in advance, or even hinted at the idea, just like how the roadmap hints at possible events in the near future.

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Originally Posted by Dozers

Let's face it, war gears are pretty much good for the bin as we speak. 10m or 500m, wars lost a lot. Nothing can be done about that since it already happened, then again if there was a fair warning in advance, the class-specific economical collapse might not have happened so quickly and harshly. Maybe next time we could be informed in advance, or even hinted at the idea, just like how the roadmap hints at possible events in the near future.

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No lol, the collapse would have happened as soon it would have announced, whenever that would be.

Let's say they informed 1 month it advance, the warrior economy would collapse on the very first day as everyone will look to change class, like they are doing now.



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Originally Posted by umarrahim

No lol, the collapse would have happened as soon it would have announced, whenever that would be.

Let's say they informed 1 month it advance, the warrior economy would collapse on the very first day as everyone will look to change class, like they are doing now.



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Good point there bud, unless they announced it the same time proc stacking was first introduced, which was 2 years ago. Then people who bought the gears would have roughly expected when they have to sell their gears.

If that was the case, prizes of war weapon would likely have started off cheaper, especially for secondary weapons such as Doz aegis, ebon aegis, glint aegis as people knew these weapon will become obsolete one day.

So even if these gears do become outdated in the future, it won't suffer a significant difference in prize as compared to now because the price were already low to begin with.

A thing that seems to be ignored is the amount of gold those senior wars have porbably made off of, what was basically, a bug. Yeah sts screwed up by not fixing it for 2 years but at the end of the day it was undeniably, a bug. Back to topic though, these wars that lost 250-300m+ gold in gear worth( not your case ), are most likely the same wars that used to run evg/deep with 800%+ gold loot for hours on end and get 2-3 mil a day, and thats me being negativistic.

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Originally Posted by ZZTop

A thing that seems to be ignored is the amount of gold those senior wars have porbably made off of, what was basically, a bug. Yeah sts screwed up by not fixing it for 2 years but at the end of the day it was undeniably, a bug. Back to topic though, these wars that lost 250-300m+ gold in gear worth( not your case ), are most likely the same wars that used to run evg/deep with 800%+ gold loot for hours on end and get 2-3 mil a day, and thats me being negativistic.

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Nice bro you brought up a pretty fresh perspective, unfortunately these "bugged" gold is still currently circulalating in the market.

That said, I'm fairly glad that Inflationary effect has been partially countered by the mass introduction of new items, like new aura, new store vanities, new pets, new furniture, new locations, and new gears (profiteer accessories, legendary sets as of now)

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Originally Posted by ZZTop

A thing that seems to be ignored is the amount of gold those senior wars have porbably made off of, what was basically, a bug. Yeah sts screwed up by not fixing it for 2 years but at the end of the day it was undeniably, a bug. Back to topic though, these wars that lost 250-300m+ gold in gear worth( not your case ), are most likely the same wars that used to run evg/deep with 800%+ gold loot for hours on end and get 2-3 mil a day, and thats me being negativistic.

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You're sorely mistaken.
Any class can buy goldloot gear,
And at most 1 war was included in an evg party than leaves three dps classes.
Whatever the warrior class made (25%) , the dps class made (75%) ... 3 times!!

And guess what, which class lost 250-300m+ on gear? ONLY WARS.

What about the rogues/mages that got 800% + goldloot farming the maps as hard as warriors using their *bug to benefit eh?

Your not being negativistic.
You're blatantly wrong. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Mythocrisis

You're sorely mistaken.
Any class can buy goldloot gear,
And at most 1 war was included in an evg party than leaves three dps classes.
Whatever the warrior class made (25%) , the dps class made (75%) ... 3 times!!

And guess what, which class lost 250-300m+ on gear? ONLY WARS.

What about the rogues/mages that got 800% + goldloot farming the maps as hard as warriors using their *bug to benefit eh?

Your not being negativistic.
You're blatantly wrong. Sorry.

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Well put (:

Wars were basically the "bug" that gave rise to mass gold income to the other 2 dps Classes

So nice move, sts.

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Bro are u a mobile player? Trynna collect info for something.

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all the comment all show that, war profit the most from it in the past 2 years...n when sts removed it..logically,war the one affected most...i also suffer 30m lost from my war item..but still,for me..still much fun n faat clear mob in event using bad awake skull axe,buried set compare to my 1.7k dex rog

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Originally Posted by ZZTop

A thing that seems to be ignored is the amount of gold those senior wars have porbably made off of, what was basically, a bug. Yeah sts screwed up by not fixing it for 2 years but at the end of the day it was undeniably, a bug. Back to topic though, these wars that lost 250-300m+ gold in gear worth( not your case ), are most likely the same wars that used to run evg/deep with 800%+ gold loot for hours on end and get 2-3 mil a day, and thats me being negativistic.

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Undeniably though, this sort of evens the gains from gl farming using the gear bought and losses from the nerf so in effect, months of faming didn't give you any gains.

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Originally Posted by profmsb

all the comment all show that, war profit the most from it in the past 2 years...n when sts removed it..logically,war the one affected most...i also suffer 30m lost from my war item..but still,for me..still much fun n faat clear mob in event using bad awake skull axe,buried set compare to my 1.7k dex rog

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Ye bro agreed, truly had an enjoyable time playing as a broken war XD the satisfaction of being invincible 😂😂

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Originally Posted by Mythocrisis

You're sorely mistaken.
Any class can buy goldloot gear,
And at most 1 war was included in an evg party than leaves three dps classes.
Whatever the warrior class made (25%) , the dps class made (75%) ... 3 times!!

And guess what, which class lost 250-300m+ on gear? ONLY WARS.

What about the rogues/mages that got 800% + goldloot farming the maps as hard as warriors using their *bug to benefit eh?

Your not being negativistic.
You're blatantly wrong. Sorry.

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I was being negativistic, as in wars farming only 3m a day lol, that numbers probably higher. As for your calculus, it makes no sense, since however much a war makes, the other party members made the same/less, and its not fair to say,,well im one, theyre 3 so they made 75% more" because guess what? they need to also buy gear for 3 people not for one lol. Also, you seem to ignore the fact that evg was not playable without a war, while a war could easily solo there. So im sorry, but wars had 2 years to farm far more then those 250 milion.

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Originally Posted by Dozers

Undeniably though, this sort of evens the gains from gl farming using the gear bought and losses from the nerf so in effect, months of faming didn't give you any gains.

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My point wasnt that wars had massive gains, it was that the so called ,,massive loss" isnt actually so massive if you take into account how much that bug permitted them to farm.

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Originally Posted by Mythocrisis

You're sorely mistaken.
Any class can buy goldloot gear,
And at most 1 war was included in an evg party than leaves three dps classes.
Whatever the warrior class made (25%) , the dps class made (75%) ... 3 times!!

And guess what, which class lost 250-300m+ on gear? ONLY WARS.

What about the rogues/mages that got 800% + goldloot farming the maps as hard as warriors using their *bug to benefit eh?

Your not being negativistic.
You're blatantly wrong. Sorry.

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Also, as analitical already pointed it out, the other classes will also lose the same amount of gold, when the new 81 arcanes come around, because guess what? finally, outdated gear will be exactly that, outdated, useless, trash. No more people farming end caps with weapons that shouldve died 5 years ago.

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Originally Posted by ZZTop

I was being negativistic, as in wars farming only 3m a day lol, that numbers probably higher. As for your calculus, it makes no sense, since however much a war makes, the other party members made the same/less, and its not fair to say,,well im one, theyre 3 so they made 75% more" because guess what? they need to also buy gear for 3 people not for one lol. Also, you seem to ignore the fact that evg was not playable without a war, while a war could easily solo there. So im sorry, but wars had 2 years to farm far more then those 250 milion.

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Lol wtf
Someone pls loan this guy a brain.
The other guys put stats so efficiently and u deny them by blatantly saying the other guys had to buy gears too. Lol guess what bro, war and 3 dps all bought gears and farmed for 2 years and now only wars have lost the value on the gears not the other two.
So who is in the loss.
And i am a mage basically but still the loss of gold for wars is saddening to watch.
STS enjoyed profits from war needing multiple gears and op awks ( guess how many locks, elite gems spent in this process) and then suddenly decide to correct this “bug” without any compensation.
If they allowed this to go on for 2 years, they shud have thought abt some alternatives rather than removing all this proc sys and slowing the tempo of this game down to a 2D contra themed rpg.


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Cry and cope more lol

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Originally Posted by Flamesofanger

Cry and cope more lol

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Lol who cares abt ur remarks; another nobody


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Man, flames has to be doing this on purpose. Can't imagine someone really being that much of a troll in rl. Why did you bother coming back? Was nicer here with out you.

War took a big hit now and the other classes have also taken a hit but considerably less. Even when new gear comes out the nature of say mage skratch gun debuff will make it useful stacked with the next weapon. Same with bow. Also, not all of us wars spent hours clearing mobs in evg.

It’s more than just the loss of gold, the cost in plat these players used to awaken items to stats they desired, it’s also those who enjoy playing tank, feeling useless, their game abruptly changed for the worse.
The transparency was pretty thick about the proc changing. STS should have been transparent with their changes and take into consideration on how the community’s feels and their opinions on how to move forward keeping the tank’s role just as needed.

To shout out your frustrations is not crying.
Sadly its not a fresh perspective as stated in og post, but yea you can watch few players being d riders in this post too(to all you ppl who are happy for tanks being nerfed). The worst part of social media is that you have to listen to every brain fart from everyone like this flames guy is making in all posts.

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Originally Posted by Justbadwolf

To shout out your frustrations is not crying.
Sadly its not a fresh perspective as stated in og post, but yea you can watch few players being d riders in this post too(to all you ppl who are happy for tanks being nerfed). The worst part of social media is that you have to listen to every brain fart from everyone like this flames guy is making in all posts.

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Edit: The title is "A Perspective" not "A Fresh Perspective" 😎

This should be a lessen to people. Pay attention to your surroundings, being oblivious or in denial can cost you.

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Edit: The title is "A Perspective" not "A Fresh Perspective" ��

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Lol bro i didnt say you are wrong, just stating the fact that this matter has been discussed on many posts and there is nothing new you can say about it.

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Originally Posted by Flamesofanger

Cry and cope more lol

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Just stick to your artworks and posters bud.
That's your , only, area of productivity.

Ooh and about your remark, I urge all of you to see flames posts of crying and coping on his last posts, if you're free.

It's funny to take tips from a cry baby himself.

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Originally Posted by Justbadwolf

Lol bro i didnt say you are wrong, just stating the fact that this matter has been discussed on many posts and there is nothing new you can say about it.

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The main intention at the time of post was to speak to wars who were still frustrated with the update.

While I agreed the matter is an old one and has been discussed in many places, I have yet to see the above 2 perspectives discussed anywhere i.e. The rise of new wars, The giveaway instead of losses perspective (and arguably even a small part about the gold shifting of economy)

Ofc if you can find one post that is similar feel free to share them here. I'm open to new/conflicting perspectives.

If you wish to comment further, I invite you to at least be constructive, just like mythocrisis who provided strong arguements, instead of nullifying whatever is posted otherwise I truly don't see what's the whole point of the general discussion section.

P. S. Seems a bit hypocritical you are calling some comments here "brain farts" but fail to see yours leaning to this category too.

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The main intention at the time of post was to speak to wars who were still frustrated with the update.

While I agreed the matter is an old one and has been discussed in many places, I have yet to see the above 2 perspectives discussed anywhere i.e. The rise of new wars, The giveaway instead of losses perspective (and arguably even a small part about the gold shifting of economy)

Ofc if you can find one post that is similar feel free to share them here. I'm open to new/conflicting perspectives.

If you wish to comment further, I invite you to at least be constructive, just like mythocrisis who provided strong arguements, instead of nullifying whatever is posted otherwise I truly don't see what's the whole point of the general discussion section.

P. S. Seems a bit hypocritical you are calling some comments here "brain farts" but fail to see yours leaning to this category too.

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Dude you are so full of yourself.
Take a chill pill and relax, i m supporting your argument despite the fact that i knw who you are and how much end game you play and how wel you play it.
But whoever says the right thing, shud be treated as right. So stop trying to create drama here.
As for your “perspective”, i m wondering how many new wars will emerge now that everyone knows wars as a class are going through this collapse. If STS decides to give away freebies that ll be a first in last 9-10 years of the game so not gonna happen.

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Dude you are so full of yourself.
Take a chill pill and relax, i m supporting your argument despite the fact that i knw who you are and how much end game you play and how wel you play it.
But whoever says the right thing, shud be treated as right. So stop trying to create drama here.
As for your “perspective”, i m wondering how many new wars will emerge now that everyone knows wars as a class are going through this collapse. If STS decides to give away freebies that ll be a first in last 9-10 years of the game so not gonna happen.

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Bud, I don't need anyone to support what I'm saying nor am I forcing you to agree anything I say, you are of course, free to disagree.

What I'm saying is

If you wish to disagree, at least do it with constructivity not nullifying what others are saying by for example:
-"What you said is not new"
- Calling names or labelling them as "Brain farts"

Speaking of drama, almost everyone was initially giving constructive comments and sharing their story as a response to my thread, except a few including you who started/fanned the drama

P. S. Not only do you seem to have something personal against me, you also like to make bold assumptions about how much you know about me or how long I have played endgame.

You know shhet about who I am. I only share my 67 pvp ign and has never revealed my endgame characters.

So, stop the bs assumptions.

And reflect that "so full of yourself" for yourself too.

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Originally Posted by Analytical

Bud, I don't need anyone to support what I'm saying nor am I forcing you to agree anything I say, you are of course, free to disagree.

What I'm saying is

If you wish to disagree, at least do it with constructivity not nullifying what others are saying by for example:
-"What you said is not new"
- Calling names or labelling them as "Brain farts"

Speaking of drama, almost everyone was initially giving constructive comments and sharing their story as a response to my thread, except a few including you who started/fanned the drama

P. S. Not only do you seem to have something personal against me, you also like to make bold assumptions about how much you know about me or how long I have played endgame.

You know shhet about who I am. I only share my 67 pvp ign and has never revealed my endgame characters.

So, stop the bs assumptions.

And reflect that "so full of yourself" for yourself too.

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And just like that we are off topic.
I am not going to indulge myself in an argument with a low balling merch. Good day.

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And just like that we are off topic.
I am not going to indulge myself in an argument with a low balling merch. Good day.

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You are getting annoying with your baseless, stupid assumptions.

Show me a post/screenshot where I lowball anyone here in forum or in game before you spit your mindless crap.

Well, you know what, how wrong could I be to think I could speak logic with people like this?

Nvm.

Continue to assume whatever you wish to assume about me. Neither do I care shhet about people like these