heal mage!

this may be rude, i'll try to say it as nicely as possible. how do people get to level 40 on their engi and not know how to heal? now my main is an engi, and i am by no means full support. i like to rush and be in the front, especially when there is no com in the group, but even so i keep my party healed even if i'm the only engi. if someone dies, i rez them. what's the excuse for standing over my dead com's body after i used 20 stims because i wasn't healed? i get there is a cool down, but i never saw a rez used for stat buff and even if it was on cool down, i was dead for almost a minute on my lix with no rez...... y do i have to beg for a rez? i asked twice. if you can't do the bare minimum as an engi by healing and rezing your fallen allies, please just don't play the class. it gives a false sense of security by making your group think they have a healer when they don't.

TRUE DAT. I hate how sometimes it is hard to res because your teammates may be hidden under the mob though...

I'm a level 66 mage, and I try to spam heal a soon as I can, but when there is another mage that doesn't know the difference between revive and heal it kinda well to be nice puts THEM to shame. I know where you're coming from, and I blame power leveling noobs that know nothing of their class. BTW same can be said about warriors that don't keep aggro and birds that well don't know how to be archers lol...

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Originally Posted by Epic Unicorns!

TRUE DAT. I hate how sometimes it is hard to res because your teammates may be hidden under the mob though...

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i've had this problem too, but i feel like the guy had to see me since he was standing on me. and i always apologize if i can't find someone. idk, maybe expecting people to act courteous like i do is just too much to expect.

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Originally Posted by saool

I'm a level 66 mage, and I try to spam heal a soon as I can, but when there is another mage that doesn't know the difference between revive and heal it kinda well to be nice puts THEM to shame. I know where you're coming from, and I blame power leveling noobs that know nothing of their class. BTW same can be said about warriors that don't keep aggro and birds that well don't know how to be archers lol...

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I hear ya. my bear was my main in PL, and i didn't see the problem with holding aggro, and i saw many who couldn't. i don't like the com on SL but i want to cap him. maybe bc i loved the elf and engi i think this, but i feel a lot more falls on the healing class than any other. noobs should stay away from them if they can't heal.

Eh some people are just like that. I once died and the engi said he wasn't going to rez me. I was like what?!-_-.

People are just plain rude. Just boot them from your game. Like I reached 101 deaths bc some com kept stepping on each mine on purpose, after I said don't step on mines it's hard for me to move iPod is broken. There are people out there that just get a kick out of people dying, I wonder what they do for a living-_-.

From a neutral perspective, some comms and ops simply join a game with zero health stims and zero mana stims just to depend on the engineers to get more of the stims. Some even have the cheek to say in game that they are going to sell the stims later once it reaches 25. I could observe that whenever they are revived, they never use any stims and just wait for the engineer to heal. They ended up dying again. Personally as a comm, i bring alot of stims because its very rare for me to get good engineers in the party.

I ran a map earlier today. 4 engineers including me and one Op. I was only engineer healing. And when I died, with the other 3 engineers standing right beside me. I had to ask for them to come back after they exited the room. Just for a rez. The Op had to show them where I was. This was in V4 with 2 level 40 engineers.

I take a page from the NFL commentators.

COME ON MAAAAAN!!!

Lol it happens , I get pretty annoyed too. I prefer to stat away from pubs because of coms who don't tank and engi who don't heal.

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Originally Posted by Kanozaki

Lol it happens , I get pretty annoyed too. I prefer to stat away from pubs because of coms who don't tank and engi who don't heal.

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Pubs huh? Didn't know there was pubs in space or B*.

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Originally Posted by javier995

Pubs huh? Didn't know there was pubs in space or B*.

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Lol oh yea all the badies go to pubs

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Originally Posted by Kanozaki

Lol oh yea all the badies go to pubs

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And drink Cycola?

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Originally Posted by javier995:528405

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Originally Posted by Kanozaki

Lol oh yea all the badies go to pubs

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And drink Cycola?

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Or blurb (whatever that is) its on the log in screen

The reason I go on pug runs is so I meet the good people and if I dont get revd by at least one of the 3 engi on the run I will just leave and join another game. I have met some pretty awesome people doing pug runs most of them are on the friend list. I am a pug runner and proud,:D

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Originally Posted by LelouchX

this may be rude, i'll try to say it as nicely as possible. how do people get to level 40 on their engi and not know how to heal? now my main is an engi, and i am by no means full support. i like to rush and be in the front, especially when there is no com in the group, but even so i keep my party healed even if i'm the only engi. if someone dies, i rez them. what's the excuse for standing over my dead com's body after i used 20 stims because i wasn't healed? i get there is a cool down, but i never saw a rez used for stat buff and even if it was on cool down, i was dead for almost a minute on my lix with no rez...... y do i have to beg for a rez? i asked twice. if you can't do the bare minimum as an engi by healing and rezing your fallen allies, please just don't play the class. it gives a false sense of security by making your group think they have a healer when they don't.

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For the same reason that many mages in PL at level 65 or even 66 don't know how to heal. They got to the end game, but they never took the time to learn their skills properly. Although I don't play SL these days, I have heard of engies at level 40 without any points in transference for example.

Furthermore, they never took the time to learn how to coordinate in a team properly. That has some serious consequences in groups, especially PUGs. Get used to engies not healing, commandoes not tanking properly, and operatives who pretty much don't seem to know what skills to use. Others as was pointed out above don't use stims.

The best way to avoid is to keep a friends list and do runs mainly with them. It's a pity KOC fell apart ... the guild was large enough to support a group of good end game players at all times.

trying to cap a third toon is tedious enough, consumes money (i know i dont HAVE to use plat), and with so many people being busy with real life over the holidays, pugs are often the only solution. spamming stims doesn't keep me alive when i have all the aggro and no heals, end crappy engis are quickly become the last straw that broke the camel's back.....

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Originally Posted by WhoIsThis

The best way to avoid is to keep a friends list and do runs mainly with them. It's a pity KOC fell apart ... the guild was large enough to support a group of good end game players at all times.

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My friend list on my com contains about 1/10 of the people on my main and other alt due to the fact that i only cap him and nothing else bc i don't like the class. While it's a shame KoC fell apart, 98% of the people i was close with there are in my new guild, which i formed with the 2 people i'm closest with. holidays being what they are, it's bit hard to get guild runs up all the time and even my other guildies are bored with the tedium of capping.

Thank you all for the encouraging words. Well, idk if they were encouraging really, but seeing u all dealing with this nonsense also humbled me a bit

I really do hope that the Holidays are to blame for the drop in guild members and friends that are on line.

Keep in mind that many of the people who play PL and SL are young. Many are young and playing their first RPG ever. They cannot and should not be expected to master their roles as some of you have. I have two young cousins (8, 9) who have fun playing but don't fire off their heals or taunts as quickly as they should (or sometimes ever). We should seek to give helpful suggestions to these types of players rather than avoid them.

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Originally Posted by Montanabro:528460

Keep in mind that many of the people who play PL and SL are young. Many are young and playing their first RPG ever. They cannot and should not be expected to master their roles as some of you have. I have two young cousins (8, 9) who have fun playing but don't fire off their heals or taunts as quickly as they should (or sometimes ever). We should seek to give helpful suggestions to these types of players rather than avoid them.

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Good point, sorta.

8-9 yr olds aren't allowed to play this game, minimum age is 13. With that in mind, how many 13 yr old gamers do you know that can't figure out how to master any videogame? It's just selfishness, lack of teamwork/skill, and kids who are too young to be playing anyway. When I was 13 I probably would be way better at SL than I am now. At age 25, my hands cramp when I play pvp, my eyes can't focus after extended periods of gaming, and I have RL obligations that limit my play time. Age is really no excuse if the people are the correct age to be even playing.

My main is an Op, and when I get on my powerleveled engi, it really shows, and I'm GOOD at videogames. You can tell it's not my main. I think this is the biggest problem here, people just don't know their class, be it powerleveling, or they picked an Engi but just want to pew pew their way to the boss. They just want "the character with the gloves". Anyone that chose an Engi BECAUSE they heal and rev, more than likely enjoys that aspect of the class and is GOOD at it.

I bet that the only engis that don't know how to heal are alts and there mains are ops or comms that wait for heals
And more used to using stims,

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Originally Posted by Ebalere

Good point, sorta.

8-9 yr olds aren't allowed to play this game, minimum age is 13. With that in mind, how many 13 yr old gamers do you know that can't figure out how to master any videogame? It's just selfishness, lack of teamwork/skill, and kids who are too young to be playing anyway. When I was 13 I probably would be way better at SL than I am now. At age 25, my hands cramp when I play pvp, my eyes can't focus after extended periods of gaming, and I have RL obligations that limit my play time. Age is really no excuse if the people are the correct age to be even playing.

My main is an Op, and when I get on my powerleveled engi, it really shows, and I'm GOOD at videogames. You can tell it's not my main. I think this is the biggest problem here, people just don't know their class, be it powerleveling, or they picked an Engi but just want to pew pew their way to the boss. They just want "the character with the gloves". Anyone that chose an Engi BECAUSE they heal and rev, more than likely enjoys that aspect of the class and is GOOD at it.

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Yes, federal law requires players to be 13. But do you really believe there are no SL players under 13? I'm not condoning "underage gaming," but it clearly happens and partly explains why some folks in PUGs aren't up to your standards. You misunderstand me: I'm not saying age is an "excuse," I'm saying it is a reason. And it's a reason quite different from "selfishness."

Even 13-year-olds have learning to do, particularly if SL is their first RPG. When I look back at my first days playing Dark Age of Camelot, WoW, and other RPGs...haha, man, my poor teammates! I didn't know forums existed, that there were in-depth guides that calculated minute differences in stats, or any other number of important things (how to pull a mob, how to combo skills). I wasn't selfish or lazy, I just didn't know, and I suspect many of our peers in SL are the same way whether they're 9 or 14.

Next time someone performs poorly in a zone, offer a friendly suggestion and see their response before writing them off as a bum.

Lelouch I remember that run. He was the worst engi ever. I bet he got to 41 just standing around doing nothing. I wanted you to boot him bad...

Most of the people are afraid to use skill cause it costs mana and they don't want to spend credits on mana packs.

Poor guys ;)

I have all three classes and op is my main , but i realise what has to be done to ensure the success of the other team members, That particular class not being their main is not an excuse of being a bad team member. If these people refuse to listen to our suggestions and advice they should stick to solo and not jeopardize other players.

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Originally Posted by themars

Most of the people are afraid to use skill cause it costs mana and they don't want to spend credits on mana packs.

Poor guys ;)

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i would accept not knowing how to play the class as a better reason than this (even though i don't think that is a good reason either). it's ok for me to spend money on stims so when i play my com, which i don't really like, i can use my taunt skills and soak up damage, but an engi, who has more mana and better regen than me, can't buy some stilm to keep me alive? smh

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Originally Posted by Fac3bon3s

I really do hope that the Holidays are to blame for the drop in guild members and friends that are on line.

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I'm willing to bet it has more to do with purp drop rate.

There's just jack to run for...

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Originally Posted by Ebalere

When I was 13 I probably would be way better at SL than I am now. At age 25, my hands cramp when I play pvp, my eyes can't focus after extended periods of gaming, and I have RL obligations that limit my play time. Age is really no excuse if the people are the correct age to be even playing.

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My eyes literally cannot focus on objects for like 30 minutes after playing on my phone. God forbid I played right before driving, a woman behind the wheel is already dangerous enough.

When I played on my engineer, I would use empathy the second it was available, I don't see how people don't. Even if you have no idea what you're doing and just mash skill buttons, you'll eventually hit empathy lol.

I found it more annoying when people seem to have "revive!!!" set as a quick chat. The second they die....HOLY CRAP REVIVE ME?!?!" I even had people stay on the ground because they were typing revive right after dying, that they didn't even notice I had already cast the spell -.-

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Originally Posted by Kahlua

I found it more annoying when people seem to have "revive!!!" set as a quick chat. The second they die....HOLY CRAP REVIVE ME?!?!" I even had people stay on the ground because they were typing revive right after dying, that they didn't even notice I had already cast the spell -.-

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I can see how this is annoying, but i would rather people say "rez" when they die than not. I don't always see where they are, and since i am a front line engi and not a strictly support engi, it's nice to see. i don't need any "ty" when i rez, but i always say it when i get one. after all, it's part of the engi's job. i don't thank an op for dealing massive damage or a com for tanking (even though i take the aggro often enough). but you are right, the only reason i can see for not spamming empathy is when you are the only engi running and you are trying to get the whole group in each cast.

I stopped playing SL because I got tired of commandos rushing in and expecting to be healed/saved. Then, blaming me when they die. Well, there's only so much an Eng can do.

In PL, i was recently in a 65 group, and someone died. The mag was asked to do a rev. We had to explain which skill button did a rev. All i can guess is that this mage was a friend borrowing an account to try out PL. How else does a mage get to 65 and not know how to rev?

EDIT: Oops, my error. Yes, commandos lead the way. It's the Operatives rushing forward that gave me trouble.

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Originally Posted by csb

I stopped playing SL because I got tired of commandos rushing in and expecting to be healed/saved. Then, blaming me when they die. Well, there's only so much an Eng can do.

In PL, i was recently in a 65 group, and someone died. The mag was asked to do a rev. We had to explain which skill button did a rev. All i can guess is that this mage was a friend borrowing an account to try out PL. How else does a mage get to 65 and not know how to rev?

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well, a com should rush a little ahead of the group to pick up aggro because engis can easily take it with trans and boom, but everyone should have stims on them too bc like you said, there is only so much an engi can do. i'm not shocked about the PL mage either, i try to do guild/friend runs exclusively now.

EDIT: ahhh split infinitive (to exclusively do), my Latin teacher would kill me if he saw this post! Ok, fixed, i can breathe easy again.

Frankly, many people have no idea what the skill buttons actually do. They use them and, if it seems to cut into the opponent's hp, they use it again. If it doesn't seem to affect the opponent, like healing, they stop using it. I don't even see many combos in SL. It's like people don't actually want to learn how to be good players. They just want their drops and their xp.

Once it was me as my comm and 3 engis. When i entered, one said " a commando and engi make a good team" We proceeded thru the level and i did lead a little (being a commando)

THEY NEVER HEALED!

There were 3 engineers for crying out loud!!! They probably healed every ...just about never. Please remember THERE WERE THREE. I went thu SO MANY stim packs and it definitely could have been prevented.

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Originally Posted by Snakespeare

Frankly, many people have no idea what the skill buttons actually do. They use them and, if it seems to cut into the opponent's hp, they use it again. If it doesn't seem to affect the opponent, like healing, they stop using it. I don't even see many combos in SL. It's like people don't actually want to learn how to be good players. They just want their drops and their xp.

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you bring up a good point with the combo. there aren't that many really, but capping my op alt, i became very familiar with the psychic lash/trans combo. trans can be used any of the 6 seconds that psychic lash stays effective for, and more than one engi can combo it by using trans. it does great damage, and i'm not sure if i never see this combo (newt, my engi is my main) because ops don't spec it. i know what the skill looks like when it is cast, and i rarely see it used by ops in general. a guildie i was running with on sniper was on top of the combo, used trans whenever i used psychic lash and it wasn't on cool down. suppression combos with com force hammer too, but its rare to see engis use this skill since half the people yell at engis when they do. thanks for the input!