@Cinco @Asommers Why Rogue is Inferior to War / Mage. (PVE ONLY)
I know I talked about it more than once, but this is the final time.
before you read this, please keep toxicity out, this is my opinion and I think many people who has experienced with all 3 classes would agree.
Also this is only about PVE, don't bring PVP into this since I am never playing PVP.
Here is why I think Rogue is inferior to War / Mage:
1) ULTIMATE
It looks like these days we have a new stat; "Bonus Ult Charge %"
Rogues ultimate are by far the worse ones.
Heal Ultimate: Useless, potions are better.
Refuel: not complete useless but bad, since in 95% of maps in AL, there are 2 parts; Mobs and Boss. This Ult helps in none of them
Aimed Shot: Let me tell you that- I proced Sunken Armor, Pisces, Switched to 18.2K damage myth set on my rogue and used that ult (which is hard to do, need to get lucky) and it got the first Elite Zodias boss to 50-60% HP.
Warrior- One shotting that 12M HP boss with his ult, and Mages can do that:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMkv...nel=ALSynergia
, (with no ult, with 65% Haste its way stronger).:
AND I shall remind you that Rogue is the class that was designed to deal with bosses at exchange of being squishy.
Now with the new "bonus ult charge" stat, warriors for example will have x6 STR every wave of EVG, EZG and Temple event.
2) Haste
IDK why in the world Bows is the only type of weapon that can't be hastened.
Make no sense, that all 5 other weapons can, and Bows can not.
Especially when the new arcane armor proc 30% haste and I bet we will see alot of haste in the future as well.
3) Critical hit is not what it used to be
Few years ago this class had an advantage, which was the only class that can crit often.
Now, I have seen a mages with 75% Crit, warriors with 60-70% Crit, and while they use AA's like Heroic Tad, Crit gets to around 100%.
So Rogue lost the advantage of being good at crit pretty much.
MABY Finally design a new stat of "Bonus Crit Damage"? can fix things.
4) Procs are harder for rogue, In General Sunken / Pisces are 100% luck based while other classes can gather mobs and increase their chances to proc, we can not.
Pisces Proc chance is the same no matter how many enemies you gonna hit also you gonna have to get very close to the enemies and risk your life.
also we barely have any AoE / DoT except from Nox Bolt that hits 6 targets, does low damage and damage enemies for 1-2k per 2 seconds.
Last hope is arcanes
Therfore, I think this class is ok, but compare to the other options- weak.
It has been a good one my beloved rogue, rip.
@Cinco @Asommers Why Rogue is Inferior to War / Mage. (PVE ONLY)
class needs a revamp for sure, especially the ultimates.
Lately I’ve been making my rogue somewhat of a support class to be desirable but even that is basically impossible to do and people would much prefer you do tons of dmg than be support.
As for the crit point, I agree that we have nothing special anymore that makes us desirable since everyone can get high crit
@Cinco @Asommers Why Rogue is Inferior to War / Mage. (PVE ONLY)
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Yes. Proc sunken with pisces and swap to a mythic 2.6k dex set with bounty hunter bow, those mages proced aquaris with ebon vest and swapped to their high dmg smuggler gun loadout. Procing those 2 together is easy I even made a skill loadout for it yesterday.
https://youtu.be/4z8-ODFviQg
I basically use the same build as you, and i’m pretty sure the pierce,aim,razor, nox combo is what the majority of other rogue players use. It’s not a game changer.
Timing the Pisces+Sunken combo is much harder than an aquaris+ebon vest. I don’t know how often you play rogue but sunken can barely proc from nox and razor especially on a boss alone, not to mention that you have to continually use charged basic attacks to proc pisces. All mages have to do is use their DOT skills to proc both aquaris and ebon vest, switch to smuggler gun loadout and it’s gg especially bc ebon gives haste. Also, their aquaris+ebon vest probably proced at the exact same time allowing them to switch right away. As for rogue, if you’re lucky to proc your pisces+sunken (they probably procced 1-2s after each other AND you have to use bends), when you swap to bounty hunter you’re relying on skills that have no haste and you have already lost some time.
Its a no brainer that rogues are inferior. And to top it off, mages can EASILY repeat their combos during mob clearing because of how easy it is to proc together. Mages clear mobs very quickly and RELIABLY and can also do the same for boss. Rogues just can’t compete with that because there’s too much luck involved in their combos.
As for your other comments about clearing the boss in the vid in 7-15s, I can do that too but it’s hard to do it CONSISTENTLY. The way mages are set up right now is that they can do these op damage far more consistently than rogues.
I don’t know if you do any gold farming, but try it with mages that have the same int as your dex and see if you do the same damage/kills in your party as any other mages. Because I’ve tried gold farming, and its far more efficient to get another mage than a rogue.
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