SUGGESTION: Gauntlet gold drop NERF

In light of recent developments, particularly the emergence of new tactics in the Gauntlet portal, farming activity has surged even further. As a result, the in-game economy is now heavily centered around this portal.

The significant increase in gold within the game leads to a rise in the cost of all commonly used items. Players are now able to farm up to 300m gold per FULL Gauntlet cycle, significantly driving up the cost of items and making them practically inaccessible for F2P low-spenders.

Consequently, wealthy players are becoming even wealthier, while those with more modest gear find themselves constrained to portals yielding much less gold. Despite the introduction of a new map intended to compete with existing portals at the time, gauntlet portal significantly outperforms ALL the other portals in terms of gold drop per unit of time.

Developers have discussed the potential shift of the primary farming source to the Elder Woods, but it's been nearly half a year since asommers' response. Since then, numerous items have been released that allow players to increase their power and gold loot percentage without any increase in difficulty for existing portals, particularly the gauntlet.

I believe that the gold rate in gauntlet should be decreased to make other portals more competitive in terms of gold loot.

In fact, most items are either the same price or significantly reduced.

Rest assured, we constantly review Gold inflow internally.

Also, roadmap shows Elder Woods farming content will be out sometime in May.

-ALS

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

In light of recent developments, particularly the emergence of new tactics in the Gauntlet portal, farming activity has surged even further. As a result, the in-game economy is now heavily centered around this portal.

The significant increase in gold within the game leads to a rise in the cost of all commonly used items. Players are now able to farm up to 300m gold per FULL Gauntlet cycle, significantly driving up the cost of items and making them practically inaccessible for F2P low-spenders.

Consequently, wealthy players are becoming even wealthier, while those with more modest gear find themselves constrained to portals yielding much less gold. Despite the introduction of a new map intended to compete with existing portals at the time, gauntlet portal significantly outperforms ALL the other portals in terms of gold drop per unit of time.

Developers have discussed the potential shift of the primary farming source to the Elder Woods, but it's been nearly half a year since asommers' response. Since then, numerous items have been released that allow players to increase their power and gold loot percentage without any increase in difficulty for existing portals, particularly the gauntlet.

I believe that the gold rate in gauntlet should be decreased to make other portals more competitive in terms of gold loot.

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I think you are very marijuana, I have not seen the 'kraken' go up in price on the contrary it is more accessible

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Originally Posted by Activista

I think you are very marijuana, I have not seen the 'kraken' go up in price on the contrary it is more accessible

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However, you can't successfully farm in gauntlet with just kraken, can you? For this, you need good awakes on your gear and good gear overall, the prices of which only increase, especially talking about awakes. What I'm discussing in my post is that EFFECTIVELY farming in the Gauntlet can only be done by wealthy players. And prices are rising not for universally accessible items, but for items that are specifically used, needed and connected with ganutlet

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

However, you can't successfully farm in gauntlet with just kraken, can you? For this, you need good awakes on your gear and good gear overall, the prices of which only increase, especially talking about awakes. What I'm discussing in my post is that EFFECTIVELY farming in the Gauntlet can only be done by wealthy players. And prices are rising not for universally accessible items, but for items that are specifically used, needed and connected with ganutlet

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I did a test before and I was able to farm gaunt with ~3.3ms and 2.3k int zaa set without immo brace. It's way easier to start farming gauntlet now, cause zaarus set is very cheap now. However, you can just get bad awak 3/3 star set + snow orb which are enough to pull "normal" runs and with your gear upgrading progression you can do better runs in future.
The only gears which rised with price are venal sets (up to 80gl awak), however other things are either same price or heavily dropped. Most of vanities dropped in price aswell.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

However, you can't successfully farm in gauntlet with just kraken, can you? For this, you need good awakes on your gear and good gear overall, the prices of which only increase, especially talking about awakes. What I'm discussing in my post is that EFFECTIVELY farming in the Gauntlet can only be done by wealthy players. And prices are rising not for universally accessible items, but for items that are specifically used, needed and connected with ganutlet

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I'll guess you're an illegal player, right? Your point of view is similar to the president of Venezuela, there will always be poverty and wealth, if they kill that map you force them to go to map 86 which is even more complicated, adding that they do not take long to nerf gauntlet because elite elderwood just arrives

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Originally Posted by AgentStonoga

I did a test before and I was able to farm gaunt with ~3.3ms and 2.3k int zaa set without immo brace. It's way easier to start farming gauntlet now, cause zaarus set is very cheap now. However, you can just get bad awak 3/3 star set + snow orb which are enough to pull "normal" runs and with your gear upgrading progression you can do better runs in future.
The only gears which rised with price are venal sets (up to 80gl awak), however other things are either same price or heavily dropped. Most of vanities dropped in price aswell.

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It appears you're deviating from the core point of my post, much like before. I'll reiterate that to extract the MAXIMUM benefit from farming, one needs good equipment and awakes on it.

As you may notice, the demand for such equipment is increasing, along with the prices of its components (elite awake gems, jewels) accordingly. As you can see, the price of elite gems has risen by about 39% in SIX MONTHS, from 260k to 360k (not to mention equipment), illustrating a significant increase. This is incredibly high, considering that the price of GOOD equipment to some extent depends on the price of elite gems.

It's challenging to keep up with such price hikes without the ability to maximize farming benefits (which only players with top-tier equipment THAT FARM EZG can afford).

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Originally Posted by Activista

I'll guess you're an illegal player, right? Your point of view is similar to the president of Venezuela, there will always be poverty and wealth, if they kill that map you force them to go to map 86 which is even more complicated, adding that they do not take long to nerf gauntlet because elite elderwood just arrives

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I would kindly ask you not to resort to personal attacks, as that is not the main point of my post.

I'm not advocating for the "destruction" of gauntlet. I'm simply asking for it to be made more fair in comparison to other maps, which could be achieved by reducing the gold drop rate within it.

The focus here is on enabling the MAJORITY of players to earn as much gold as their gold loot percentage allows, with less dependence on top-tier equipment.

At present, there are numerous other maps available, such as Elite Rahab, Ekenta, Normal Hedourah, and so on. However, none of these maps can compete with gauntlet in terms of gold drop per unit of time (let's say, per hour).

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

It appears you're deviating from the core point of my post, much like before. I'll reiterate that to extract the MAXIMUM benefit from farming, one needs good equipment and awakes on it.

As you may notice, the demand for such equipment is increasing, along with the prices of its components (elite awake gems, jewels) accordingly. As you can see, the price of elite gems has risen by about 39% in SIX MONTHS, from 260k to 360k (not to mention equipment), illustrating a significant increase. This is incredibly high, considering that the price of GOOD equipment to some extent depends on the price of elite gems.

It's challenging to keep up with such price hikes without the ability to maximize farming benefits (which only players with top-tier equipment THAT FARM EZG can afford).

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The thing is that you actually don't need op gears for being able to play current meta ezg strat. You can definitely make it with 3k stat (mage and rog even with less than that), 4ms and starbeast gl set (if you can't do that with these stats then it's skill issue). Starbeast pieces with below 6% stats are cheap, 4ms (even 4.5ms) is cheap aswell, gold loot set varies on % awak (well, venal sets increased in price, but snow weapons made gl weapons cheaper). Overall it's actually way cheaper to get gears for meta farm than before.
Awaks jumped to 360k because of roadmap. 6 months ago awaks were about 300k when awak event was close. It's 20% increase (and current meta strat let us farm more than 20% more).
"Not to mention equipment" - kraken and starbeast drastically dropped in price. Clean star arti was 200m when released, now it's 35m. Same thing with belt. Force weapons got cheaper aswell. Most of the items are getting cheaper. OP awak star gear (which isn't needed for farm) will drop in price with awak event.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

I would kindly ask you not to resort to personal attacks, as that is not the main point of my post.

I'm not advocating for the "destruction" of gauntlet. I'm simply asking for it to be made more fair in comparison to other maps, which could be achieved by reducing the gold drop rate within it.

The focus here is on enabling the MAJORITY of players to earn as much gold as their gold loot percentage allows, with less dependence on top-tier equipment.

At present, there are numerous other maps available, such as Elite Rahab, Ekenta, Normal Hedourah, and so on. However, none of these maps can compete with gauntlet in terms of gold drop per unit of time (let's say, per hour).

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What sense does it make to kill the current and most accessible main source of gold? You are going to stop the poor from collecting more gold and forcing them to play in the most difficult oses elderwood

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Originally Posted by Activista

I think you are very marijuana, I have not seen the 'kraken' go up in price on the contrary it is more accessible

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when he say 300m (no one makes 300m in there), I instantly know hes a free2play player criying because he dont havetime for ezvg o he cant farm in there ((its not neccesary OP OP gears for ezvg if you are smart)(I'm free2player and i work HARD VERY HARD MY *** to do endgame things and when i saw post like this its like BS)), they are like socialism ppl wanna al things easy and gifted lmao, and my opinion about economy:

ECONOMY NOW IS EASY compared to the last season! ALL KRAKENS accesible, MOST OF CONTENT MORE ACCESIBLE, AND THERES PEOPLE MAKING THIS POST ASKING FOR NERF? same people crying about 2B kraken set you remember? those kids are you trying to manipulate economy and you know what i mean... hope devs thinkg in that too... you know...

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Originally Posted by Yuggernaut

when he say 300m (no one makes 300m in there), I instantly know hes a free2play player criying because he dont havetime for ezvg o he cant farm in there ((its not neccesary OP OP gears for ezvg if you are smart)(I'm free2player and i work HARD VERY HARD MY *** to do endgame things and when i saw post like this its like BS)), they are like socialism ppl wanna al things easy and gifted lmao, and my opinion about economy:

ECONOMY NOW IS EASY compared to the last season! ALL KRAKENS accesible, MOST OF CONTENT MORE ACCESIBLE, AND THERES PEOPLE MAKING THIS POST ASKING FOR NERF? same people crying about 2B kraken set you remember? those kids are you trying to manipulate economy and you know what i mean... hope devs thinkg in that too... you know...

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The figures I provided aren't pulled out of thin air. Personally, I farm 200m in 12 hours in gauntlet, and as you can see, this is far from the limit, and I'm not the only player who can achieve such results.

I'm not being greedy, and I acknowledge that the gold drop in the Gauntlet should be reduced, even though it will affect me. If figures like 300m for a full gauntlet cycle seem unattainable to you, then I must disappoint you—it's more than achievable.

There's no malicious intent or attempt to gain personal advantage in my proposal. I simply want the game to be fair for all players, regardless of their abilities.

As for the accusations of me manipulating the game's economy, they should be backed up by facts, not vague statements like "you know what I mean."

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Originally Posted by Activista

What sense does it make to kill the current and most accessible main source of gold? You are going to stop the poor from collecting more gold and forcing them to play in the most difficult oses elderwood

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I encourage you to revisit the main points of my message, and you'll understand what I mean. I'm not asking for a complete overhaul of the map to the point where nobody plays it. On the contrary, i'm requesting that the other portals be equally competitive alongside gauntlet.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

I'm not advocating for the "destruction" of gauntlet. I'm simply asking for it to be made more fair in comparison to other maps, which could be achieved by reducing the gold drop rate within it.
At present, there are numerous other maps available, such as Elite Rahab, Ekenta, Normal Hedourah, and so on. However, none of these maps can compete with gauntlet in terms of gold drop per unit of time (let's say, per hour).

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Originally Posted by AgentStonoga

The thing is that you actually don't need op gears for being able to play current meta ezg strat. You can definitely make it with 3k stat (mage and rog even with less than that), 4ms and starbeast gl set (if you can't do that with these stats then it's skill issue). Starbeast pieces with below 6% stats are cheap, 4ms (even 4.5ms) is cheap aswell, gold loot set varies on % awak (well, venal sets increased in price, but snow weapons made gl weapons cheaper). Overall it's actually way cheaper to get gears for meta farm than before.
Awaks jumped to 360k because of roadmap. 6 months ago awaks were about 300k when awak event was close. It's 20% increase (and current meta strat let us farm more than 20% more).
"Not to mention equipment" - kraken and starbeast drastically dropped in price. Clean star arti was 200m when released, now it's 35m. Same thing with belt. Force weapons got cheaper aswell. Most of the items are getting cheaper. OP awak star gear (which isn't needed for farm) will drop in price with awak event.

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You're completely disregarding what I'm trying to convey. Indeed, for casual Gauntlet runs, one doesn't need top-tier stats. But for MAXIMIZING gains with the new tactics, where players pull two minibosses, top-tier gear is necessary, which becomes unattainable for most players due to its price. Consequently, prices for such gear are solely controlled by its owners, as in most cases, only they can acquire it.

Due to the fact that such tactics are unavailable to all players, there's a significant disparity in in-game currency acquisition between those who can utilize them and those who cannot. And I assure you, based on personal experience, the difference is simply enormous.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

You're completely disregarding what I'm trying to convey. Indeed, for casual Gauntlet runs, one doesn't need top-tier stats. But for MAXIMIZING gains with the new tactics, where players pull two minibosses, top-tier gear is necessary, which becomes unattainable for most players due to its price. Consequently, prices for such gear are solely controlled by its owners, as in most cases, only they can acquire it.

Due to the fact that such tactics are unavailable to all players, there's a significant disparity in in-game currency acquisition between those who can utilize them and those who cannot. And I assure you, based on personal experience, the difference is simply enormous.

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I clearly said it. For being able to play that mini pull strat and farm noticeably more than before you actually don't need op awaks, sb set with gl awak and some ms are more than enough to play this strat.
(which doesn't have sense, because there should be a farming progression basing on your gears like in most games).


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Which exactly is rising? Starbeast and Krakens are at their all-time lowest price. Vanity prices are crashing. I've seen fewer Ezg farmers relative to last year.

The good awakened Starbeast sets are ofc expensive since they've been only exposed to one awakening event since release, and there will be another next month. So expect good awakened gears to be more available to players.

Elite Gems rising, cuz again, SB sets have only been exposed to one awakening event... the amount that was awakened last time isn't enough to accommodate demand, so it goes to its natural process of rising. I thought this was obvious lol.

Also, the game is most inactive whenever portals are closed. It's either Gauntlet or Hedorah, and nerfing would just make it less attractive. I don't see the point.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

You're completely disregarding what I'm trying to convey. Indeed, for casual Gauntlet runs, one doesn't need top-tier stats. But for MAXIMIZING gains with the new tactics, where players pull two minibosses, top-tier gear is necessary, which becomes unattainable for most players due to its price. Consequently, prices for such gear are solely controlled by its owners, as in most cases, only they can acquire it.

Due to the fact that such tactics are unavailable to all players, there's a significant disparity in in-game currency acquisition between those who can utilize them and those who cannot. And I assure you, based on personal experience, the difference is simply enormous.

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Your logic goes: since ppl cant afford gear, then they cant do the tactic = disparity.

So, u want all players to have the same top tier gears so they can do the same tactic?

You're advocating communism instead lol.



Everything has a process. Did you start rich when you started to play? Once upon a time, you were broke and farmed with crappy gears playing with randoms using slow strats. But consistency over the course of months made you rich and afford the once uNnaTaiNaBle gears. And that applies to everyone when starting.

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Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo

Your logic goes: since ppl cant afford gear, then they cant do the tactic = disparity.

So, u want all players to have the same top tier gears so they can do the same tactic?

You're advocating communism bud



Everything has a process. Did you start rich when you started to play? surely you were once broke and farmed with crappy gear/gl playing with randoms and with slow tactics. But consistency over the course of months is what transitioned you to save up and upgrade to be maxed out. And that applies to everyone when starting.

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Hi spectral, I respect your perspective, and I appreciate your detailed response. However, I feel that my words may have been taken out of context and misconstrued. My intention was to highlight the significant income disparity between Ezg players and those farming other maps. By providing examples of tactics, I aimed to underscore how far-reaching the advantage of Ezg in terms of profitability has become.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

Hi spectral, I respect your perspective, and I appreciate your detailed response. However, I feel that my words may have been taken out of context and misconstrued. My intention was to highlight the significant income disparity between Ezg players and those farming other maps. By providing examples of tactics, I aimed to underscore how far-reaching the advantage of Ezg in terms of profitability has become.

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Yes I understand. You're basically saying: Better-geared players with higher gold loot are earning more. As they should.

And like I said, everything has a process. People start with the easier maps and progress their way to the most efficient map doing the best tactic.

What exactly is the issue? Income disparity is not an issue when you're comparing top-tier players vs. average players. Ofc the ones who invested in their gear and time would naturally earn most. Thats obvious.

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Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo

Yes I understand. You're basically saying: Better-geared players with higher gold loot are earning more. As they should.

And like I said, everything has a process. People start with the easier maps and progress their way to the most efficient map doing the best tactic.

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You're absolutely right, and I find it entirely logical and evident. By providing examples of players with top-tier gear, my intention was merely to showcase how absurdly profitable farming in gauntlet can be compared to other portals.

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Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo

What exactly is the issue? Income disparity is not an issue when you're comparing top-tier players vs. average players. Ofc the ones who invested in their gear and time would naturally earn most. Thats obvious.

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However, the main point of my post isn't just about that; it's about the incredible disparity in gold drop rates per the unit of time between Ezg and other portals.

I understand that language nuances can vary, but in this post, I'm emphasizing the profitability of farming in gauntlet compared to other maps.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

However, the main point of my post isn't just about that; it's about the incredible disparity in gold drop rates per the unit of time between Ezg and other portals.

I understand that language nuances can vary, but in this post, I'm emphasizing the profitability of farming in gauntlet compared to other maps.

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EZG should naturally grant the best gold/hr anyways - as it involves more than just standing in one spot(Hedorah) and has class restrictions.

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Originally Posted by Ilove_Poopoo

Yes I understand. You're basically saying: Better-geared players with higher gold loot are earning more. As they should.

And like I said, everything has a process. People start with the easier maps and progress their way to the most efficient map doing the best tactic.

What exactly is the issue? Income disparity is not an issue when you're comparing top-tier players vs. average players. Ofc the ones who invested in their gear and time would naturally earn most. Thats obvious.

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I think that he did not adapt to today's life and 200 million is too much for him, that's what I want to think because I don't even understand the final complaint, the weapons are very accessible, even the star best set

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Originally Posted by Activista

I think that he did not adapt to today's life and 200 million is too much for him, that's what I want to think because I don't even understand the final complaint, the weapons are very accessible, even the star best set

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Well, instead of engaging in constructive dialogue, you've chosen to insult me and seek support against me from other players.

If you need any proof that you can make 200m in gauntlet in 12 hours, I'm ready to provide it.

Let me know if you're interested.

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Originally Posted by FrankfurtHBF

Well, instead of engaging in constructive dialogue, you've chosen to insult me and seek support against me from other players.

If you need any proof that you can make 200m in gauntlet in 12 hours, I'm ready to provide it.

Let me know if you're interested.

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I mean... I doubt that you are used to the current era, before I used to go 12m per hour in elite raha, I don't understand your complaint why you make it... what you make makes sense because that is the current bontin

Eventually the gold drop will increase as we go through the expansions and we have to get used to it more in the future that having even 1 billion gold is like having 300m currently

What is this player talking about?
Everything went super cheap in the past 2 months, the only thing that rised lately is elite awakes and even that is just because of Awakening Event announcment.

I would even say that as of today WE DON'T have enough gold in our economy, we need MORE.
You can tell cus most players don't have high pure gold, and they make offers with gears / eggs / vanitys.

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Originally Posted by trueido

What is this player talking about?
Everything went super cheap in the past 2 months,

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If you read the post in its entirety, you'll understand that it's about the prices of CURRENT good/top-tier gear. Prices for such gear not only remain unchanged but are also increasing (as confirmed by players above).

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Originally Posted by trueido

the only thing that rised lately is elite awakes and even that is just because of Awakening Event announcment.

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Claiming that the rise in prices of elite gems is solely due to the upcoming event is erroneous because a 39% increase in prices without a change in demand (and considering recent waves of bans - with lower demand) is impossible. As I described earlier, six months ago, on the eve of the awakening event, they were priced at 260k. And I can assure you that by the next awakening event, their price will increase even more compared to the current one.

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Originally Posted by trueido

I would even say that as of today WE DON'T have enough gold in our economy, we need MORE.
You can tell cus most players don't have high pure gold, and they make offers with gears / eggs / vanitys.

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I wouldn't be so vocal in my statements, speaking for the entire community on behalf of myself. By saying "we," you're referring to those players who spend gold on vanity, auras, etc., knowing that they'll need the same gold in the future and without having ANY SAVINGS. I, like some players I play with, have more than enough gold and don't need "MORE gold in our economy" as you put it.

But as I mentioned earlier, the main point of my post is not to discuss the pricing policy of in-game items.

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Originally Posted by trueido

What is this player talking about?
Everything went super cheap in the past 2 months, the only thing that rised lately is elite awakes and even that is just because of Awakening Event announcment.

I would even say that as of today WE DON'T have enough gold in our economy, we need MORE.
You can tell cus most players don't have high pure gold, and they make offers with gears / eggs / vanitys.

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and it's unfortunate, I can't sell anything without offering vanities in exchange

Gold farming has to be the worst decision ever in the history of this game, nothing will top it. I enjoyed maus farming but even then it was a recipe for disaster, there is too much gold in game and not enough sinks. Gear costs way too much I don't see why any new player would want to grind months to finally be able to afford it just to see its outdated.

I see that we have a permanent plat sale now but I doubt that's gonna stop people from buying gold on Facebook, discord and line.

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Originally Posted by AgentStonoga

I did a test before and I was able to farm gaunt with ~3.3ms and 2.3k int zaa set without immo brace. It's way easier to start farming gauntlet now, cause zaarus set is very cheap now. However, you can just get bad awak 3/3 star set + snow orb which are enough to pull "normal" runs and with your gear upgrading progression you can do better runs in future.
The only gears which rised with price are venal sets (up to 80gl awak), however other things are either same price or heavily dropped. Most of vanities dropped in price aswell.

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Originally Posted by Observing

Gold farming has to be the worst decision ever in the history of this game, nothing will top it. I enjoyed maus farming but even then it was a recipe for disaster, there is too much gold in game and not enough sinks. Gear costs way too much I don't see why any new player would want to grind months to finally be able to afford it just to see its outdated.

I see that we have a permanent plat sale now but I doubt that's gonna stop people from buying gold on Facebook, discord and line.

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I agree completely. While removing gold loot farming entirely might be unrealistic at this point, the developers could definitely implement workarounds to address some of the problems it creates. However, their track record of slow, cautious updates suggests they prioritize a wait-and-see approach, meticulously analyzing potential risks before making even minor adjustments. This cautiousness, while understandable, can be frustrating for players who are eager to see the game improve and who feel that some tweaks could be implemented relatively quickly and safely.