Level process must be change to minimize scam attemps

Hi Admins,

Its normal, All online game there is a scammers and it happens.

Its sad to say but even if STS will block and banned all the accounts they will just make new ones why its very easy to achieve level 36.

Suggestions 1

Make the level up more harder like lvl-1 1k exp/ lvl-2 2k / lvl-3=3k 25-2k or depends you guys.

As the level go higher the more experience needed.
lets say since its just lvl 36 cap maximum of 20-30 days or less.
a lot of online game had this process where players enjoy the leveling.

we as players would like to deal with main accounts we rarely make deal with low level character.

rich low level character ( well its always on the back of our mind where he get this items)
he ask get your main account.

if its hard to make a high level character they wont risk or it will take time for them to scam again once it get banned.
one high level is banned it will take them 1 month or two month to make a new one.

See one of the problems is - it is very easy to make a 36 account it will only take 3-5days Max.

On the past online game i played Ragnarok PH way back 1997-2006 the scamming less or very very rare.
level cap was 99 and we only make deal with 99 players or well know twinks that already made a name.
it take 2 months to reach level cap.

Suggestion 2

Once get caught of scamming and hacking ect. ect. account should be permanent banned including device and ip-address.
in this way every time they get caught they need a new device ( i dont think will keep on scamming device like phone cost a lot too. )


Note all players should do Screen shoot while trading.

If you notice one Zero is missing then Screen shot it and your chat conversation.

any new ideas please post.

There are some problems...
Not only scammers wanna level up...creating a new account
There may be many newbies who wanna try this game...who enter wid lot of excitement bt if they find this much tough to level up they won't play...

I agree wid ur second idea...bt sts won't like to post pics... :'(

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Originally Posted by Prahi

There are some problems...
Not only scammers wanna level up...creating a new account
There may be many newbies who wanna try this game...who enter wid lot of excitement bt if they find this much tough to level up they won't play...

I agree wid ur second idea...bt sts won't like to post pics... :'(

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no i dont think so.

with 15 years playing online game level up is fun with friends.

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Originally Posted by Prahi

There are some problems...
Not only scammers wanna level up...creating a new account
There may be many newbies who wanna try this game...who enter wid lot of excitement bt if they find this much tough to level up they won't play...

I agree wid ur second idea...bt sts won't like to post pics... :'(

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100% agreed with Prahi, but your new players will stop playing, and I have mentioned this before, but if that pattern that you have requested continues, lvl 36 will equal 36k of exp grinding, and lvl 41 (next cap) will equal 41k of exp grinding (not counting the amount of exp that has to be gained in-between these levels. There's nothing wrong with your second solution, but as of right now, there's nothing we can do to implement that.

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Originally Posted by Sprtcuz

no i dont think so.

with 15 years playing online game level up is fun with friends.

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I agree, leveling up with friends are much more enjoyable, but when you're level 1-10, new players don't have as many friends as we end-game players do, so again, that might be a problem.

no. i don't agree that the change in leveling up, any other mmorg i played level 1-15 can be done in a matter of hours.

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Originally Posted by Instanthumor

I agree, leveling up with friends are much more enjoyable, but when you're level 1-10, new players don't have as many friends as we end-game players do, so again, that might be a problem.

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from level 1-10 it would not make a big change lets say maximum of 3-4hrs to reach.. as level go higher the more XP needed

I dont agree... because if I'm a new player, I want to level up fast at first... imagine lvl 1 1000 exp.. just imagine killing 500-600 monsters off the bat, I'll quit before I even reach lvl 2...

I personally think that the level process is not the problem, your saying its easy because ur already lvl 36. I still think that better awareness is the best (e.g. putting sign in the loading screen or maybe even while trading saying "Scammers are everywhere, dont be stupid check 20 times"

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Originally Posted by Tenetra

I dont agree... because if I'm a new player, I want to level up fast at first... imagine lvl 1 1000 exp.. just imagine killing 500-600 monsters off the bat, I'll quit before I even reach lvl 2...

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its not final they will change this. the whole point is changing the level up process that it would not take 2-3days to reach max level.

^ok but I added a little more statement check it out

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Originally Posted by Tenetra

I personally think that the level process is not the problem, your saying its easy because ur already lvl 36. I still think that better awareness is the best (e.g. putting sign in the loading screen or maybe even while trading saying "Scammers are everywhere, dont be stupid check 20 times"

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You have received an item +1 gold :encouragement:

Ugh, I don't agree - why should we suffer for other peoples fault for not paying attention in the trade or because of the Scammers themselves.

^There's no Ignoarnce intended it's just ... I'm not capped! And it already takes an hour or two to level up. ;)

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Originally Posted by Tenetra

I dont agree... because if I'm a new player, I want to level up fast at first... imagine lvl 1 1000 exp.. just imagine killing 500-600 monsters off the bat, I'll quit before I even reach lvl 2...

I personally think that the level process is not the problem, your saying its easy because ur already lvl 36. I still think that better awareness is the best (e.g. putting sign in the loading screen or maybe even while trading saying "Scammers are everywhere, dont be stupid check 20 times"

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no it is a problem.. i can make 2 level 36 in 7 days. this is too fast.

scammers take this advantage.

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Originally Posted by Sprtcuz

no it is a problem.. i can make 2 level 36 in 7 days. this is too fast.

scammers take this advantage.

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Lets be honest. Scammers that will put this much time into scamming will not be stopped by increasing the time a little. It would be pointless and would only hurt the non-cheaters.

If I just started playing this game and it took me 1-2 months before I could get to elite content... no thank you. I'd delete it.

Now, about the device banning, I totally agree. I think they already do this though.

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Originally Posted by Aedenos

Lets be honest. Scammers that will put this much time into scamming will not be stopped by increasing the time a little. It would be pointless and would only hurt the non-cheaters.

If I just started playing this game and it took me 1-2 months before I could get to elite content... no thank you. I'd delete it.

Now, about the device banning, I totally agree. I think they already do this though.

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Exactly!

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Originally Posted by Aedenos

Lets be honest. Scammers that will put this much time into scamming will not be stopped by increasing the time a little. It would be pointless and would only hurt the non-cheaters.

If I just started playing this game and it took me 1-2 months before I could get to elite content... no thank you. I'd delete it.

Now, about the device banning, I totally agree. I think they already do this though.

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yes the process is hard but also take note that this will give items more value.

cant you see that there are a lot of pink items dont have value at all. due to the easy way of leveling farmers can only sell items in decent price from 2-3 weeks after the update.

the next following months everyone is max all items price drop so fast.

suggetion 1 - not agree at all. many players will quit after intial impression of the game or sudden rise in xp requirement. i dont like lvling with frustration - it should be enjoyble from 1-36. current lvling system is also boring - grind same map again and again mindlessly, no good reward from killing bosses, few quests only and after it killing monsters without purpose etc.

2nd suggetion - best idea ...completely agree.

I'm not on this train.

No no no for all the reasons stated above i dont need to repeat, also you brought this idea up on jon's thread already pretty much.

Sts should use more energy and resources to monitor reports with screen shots of people lending gold with the recipient of the gold promising to give back but poof he goes.

We should be less trusting as a whole but to say no one will ever loan anyone anything cause you cant trust anyone would be a dumb thing to say, we're humans
and when we make human mistakes we expect someone to look after us, catch and punish the bad guys.

The top 2 gold ap's can dissapear for all i care even tho i have one of them, and brought back when the system is functioning well enough to monitor the bad apples or us.

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Originally Posted by bhutkeyur

suggetion 1 - not agree at all. many players will quit after intial impression of the game or sudden rise in xp requirement. i dont like lvling with frustration - it should be enjoyble from 1-36. current lvling system is also boring - grind same map again and again mindlessly, no good reward from killing bosses, few quests only and after it killing monsters without purpose etc.

2nd suggetion - best idea ...completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Sprtcuz

no it is a problem.. i can make 2 level 36 in 7 days. this is too fast.

scammers take this advantage.

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I dont agree of first idea, especially with this kind of lvling. Leveling is fun especially with friends yeah thats true, but if too long it'll become so boring coz everyday all u do just leveling with same map without gg anywhere coz the exp to huge to leveled. Maybe easy to say for u coz u are capped, but think other ppl who just join or make other char. Dont always took perspective only from ur point of view and pushed for ppl to accept ur idea. Make a post means u mut accept other ppls voice and argument, but not always defend ur post so it'll look like the good one. Besides, scammers will always look for a chance to scam with or without hard lvling.

The right thing is the second one, i think thats good if sts can do this. Ban device + IP so he cant make another char is good i think.

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Originally Posted by Ocelz

I dont agree of first idea, especially with this kind of lvling. Leveling is fun especially with friends yeah thats true, but if too long it'll become so boring coz everyday all u do just leveling with same map without gg anywhere coz the exp to huge to leveled. Maybe easy to say for u coz u are capped, but think other ppl who just join or make other char. Dont always took perspective only from ur point of view and pushed for ppl to accept ur idea. Make a post means u mut accept other ppls voice and argument, but not always defend ur post so it'll look like the good one. Besides, scammers will always look for a chance to scam with or without hard lvling.

The right thing is the second one, i think thats good if sts can do this. Ban device + IP so he cant make another char is good i think.

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cant you say 2-3 days to hit max level is too short? for me it is.
if they can make it a bit longer that will help

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Originally Posted by Sprtcuz

cant you say 2-3 days to hit max level is too short? for me it is.
if they can make it a bit longer that will help

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It's not 2-3 days to max level for 95% of people. Only the people that have enough free time to play for 48 straight hours and don't mind constantly buying elixir.

For the rest of us, it isn't like that.

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Leveling from 1- to cap take more than 2-3 days if u not using plat. I know coz i already try it and finally give up coz too boring and using xp elixir. So dont say 2-3 days to capped, unless u want to do that level for 24hrs for 3 days. Lol.. And i think they already make it easier lvling until lvl 15 and after 15 it tooks harder to lvl if no lix.

Huh?

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Originally Posted by Sprtcuz

cant you say 2-3 days to hit max level is too short? for me it is.
if they can make it a bit longer that will help

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So because you can lvl in 2-3 days and cap its easy? Seeing as how.you said this multiple times in this thread i think its more about you wanting a harder cap to reach then scammers. Having other players have to grind for 5 hrs to reach one lvl is also uncalled for. No matter what scammers will always find a way to scam. Also if you want a challenge on capping go play pl and go from 1-76 with no xp elixers.

The best solution to scammers would be to just check your 0's when trading and know what you are trading for. Also don't trust anyone you don't know in real life.

Without following those 3 rules making it harder to level up will not help the scamming issue.

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Originally Posted by xcainnblecterx

So because you can lvl in 2-3 days and cap its easy? Seeing as how.you said this multiple times in this thread i think its more about you wanting a harder cap to reach then scammers. Having other players have to grind for 5 hrs to reach one lvl is also uncalled for. No matter what scammers will always find a way to scam. Also if you want a challenge on capping go play pl and go from 1-76 with no xp elixers.

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Lol nice statement and im run out of thanks.. hahahaha

No just Flipin no

So you're leveling a toon (Which most people hate doing)so your trying to get to 10 it takes a bloody day.
All I could understand
1k xp for each level

Just **** No

So....basically...you're complaining because it's too easy to level up? I dont think you have gotten higher than level 30, bud. It took me a week to lvl up from lvl 30-35, and then another week for 35-36. And how would this eliminate scammers??? Just because it takes them 2 months to lvl up, doesnt mean they arent gonna scam a poor, defenseless soul. -100000000000000000000 from me

I have an idea, we should stop calling it a scam when you have your gold stolen from lending it to someone. That's not a scam, that was the result of a judgment call that didn't fall in your favor.

If someone scams by removing zeroes (this really is a scam, imo), then definitely we should have the ban hammer fall on them.

I don't know, maybe my age, or the fact I have kids or maybe my parents always holding me accountable for my actions has colored my view on things. Punishing the whole community by making it insanely difficult for the average player to level just really is a bad idea, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Fyrce

Huh?

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lol <3

No, i already think the xp curve vs xp gain is not really good. the xp gain is too small vs the curve even at the high levels plus nobody does actual story they use elixirs in like watcher tombs so that bonus you get in the new places is useless if you're minimum level yet too low to solo.

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Originally Posted by Pandamoni

I have an idea, we should stop calling it a scam when you have our gold stolen from lending it to someone. That's not a scam, that was the result of a judgment call that didn't fall in your favor.

If someone scams by removing zeroes (this really is a scam, imo), then definitely we should have the ban hammer fall on them.

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Really...sorry but loled :P Scam is broad word. Removing zero and calling it only scam is just ignorant imo.

Scam = A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle=To cheat or defraud of money or property by anyway.

Which makes long list of scam with spice and flavor :D

No offense, but DaddyBlu, you should seriously stop with your unnecessary ideas. If we use your idea of leveling, it would look like this:
Lv. 1 = 1k exp
Lv. 2 = 2k exp
Lv. 3 = 3k exp
Lv. 4 = 4k exp

I'm not going to go on and on about this, so to sum this up, it will take 666,000 exp just to reach lvl 36. This is absolutely ridiculous, and NOBODY will want to play this game anymore. Do you still remember how long it took the rest of us just to get from lvl 35 to lvl 36? 666,000 exp is over 25 times the amount of exp that you have to grind from lvl 35 to lvl 36. Just imagine, no popularity in pvp as well as pve, and everyone would be saying, "Pt!", "Pt!" in WT4 all day long for the next century or two. Absolutely ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Instanthumor

100% agreed with Prahi, but your new players will stop playing, and I have mentioned this before, but if that pattern that you have requested continues, lvl 36 will equal 36k of exp grinding, and lvl 41 (next cap) will equal 41k of exp grinding (not counting the amount of exp that has to be gained in-between these levels. There's nothing wrong with your second solution, but as of right now, there's nothing we can do to implement that.

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Making this game harder to level up doesn't guaranty a scam-free or scam-less game. Just like any game too, on-line players have to be prudent and wise. Anyone can get scammed if they are too stupid to trust just anyone. Anyway, your suggestion has some good points. However, banning a device is completely irrational...lol only my thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Sprtcuz

no i dont think so.

with 15 years playing online game level up is fun with friends.

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To some people, I hate levelling , reason why I been in top 50 two season cuz I wanna get it
Over with

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Originally Posted by bhutkeyur

Really...sorry but loled :P Scam is broad word. Removing zero and calling it only scam is just ignorant imo.

Scam = A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle=To cheat or defraud of money or property by anyway.

Which makes long list of scam with spice and flavor :D

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Calling giving gold to someone a scam is ignorant IMO. There are very few scams in this game. And lots of dummies.

I'm pretty sure she didn't say it was the only scam.

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Originally Posted by AlienPlanet

Making this game harder to level up doesn't guaranty a scam-free or scam-less game. Just like any game too, on-line players have to be prudent and wise. Anyone can get scammed if they are too stupid to trust just anyone. Anyway, your suggestion has some good points. However, banning a device is completely irrational...lol only my thoughts.

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How is banning a device completely irrational?

As he mentioned, it's quite easy to make a capped toon (easy in the sense of "i just "scammed" my guild for 100m, time to make a new one" easy.)

Plus the device to be banned IS a scammer, they don't deserve to play AL. For people who spend thousands of dollars for plats to acquire that gold, it's as good as stealing.

Just my thoughts on your thoughts, cause you reeeaaaly got me wondering why banning a device was irrational. :)

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Originally Posted by parnasofication

How is banning a device completely irrational?

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Completely agree. I don't see how it is possibly irrational.

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Perfect, another suggestion instead of just a complaint! +1