How rude!!

One thing I dont understand is that when someone selling something and you ask how much in which they respond with "offer" what are they hoping is said? For example today i seen some guy spamming selling this and that in which I ask how much? Ok? And he responds with "offer" so I make an offer, a slightly lowball-ish offer (400k below cs on 2 mil item) and he responds with "bye". Now my question is (bare in mind item is 2m on cs) what are these ppl hoping for me to say? Ill pay 2.1? I just dont get it. Isnt it easier to just counter? My problem is I was raised to be respectful with manners. And they say that people reveal there true selves in the form of fantasy characters. If this is true, is our world screwed? Because this is very common. Sry for the rant but seeing this type of behavior and attitude really irritates me. You can tell me to toughen up, but this is really disappointing.

I have recently met several people with this idea in there head: it's listed 500k and 10k so inbetween is 250k ill do that deal?

So annoying

I just dont understand how ppl can be that ignorant and rude. Just a rant so plz dont mind me.

Amen

Haggling is a lost art

For some people 400k is alot. It's like there's this set worth 3m and you offer 2.4m the guy asks himself what could he buy if he posted each item (let's say it's a 1h set 4 piece) 25k less than cs, and everything sells that would be 500k (think about the sets/items you could buy with that) loss if he were to sell for 2.4m. Anyways, if you were looking to put an actual use to the item you were looking to buy rather than merching, I think you could have just increased your offer a bit and see what the guy said.

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Originally Posted by Oldcoot

Haggling is a lost art

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So true, which is why I decided a long time ago to save my time and patience and just sell everything through the CS instead of trying to sell in towns or on the forums. People used to negotiate, but not anymore. Not to sound like the old fart that I am, but I think it has to do with a greater percentage of players these days being younger, and they don't really understand the concept of haggling yet. Wait till you buy a car for the first time, kids....

Oh, and get off my lawn!

When Merching, expect to see all kinds of people.

If you're buying items, there will be competition, negotiation, and expect some people to be.. well.... Jerks.

On the other hand, if you are selling items, expect some people to lowball your price, and to go with the flow of the market prices. Expect merchants to be mass PMing you, and be wary of trolls.

Other then this basic tips, that should be pretty much it for merching.

Advanced tips include alternating the flow of a certain item price, buying soon-to-be discontinued items, and so on and so forth.

When they tell you to offer theyʻre gauging what youʻre willing to price outright, rather than them telling you what youʻll be paying. Itʻs a smart tactic because sometimes people wonʻt know what to say so theyʻll end up over paying or at least paying more than the seller originally wanted. Despite being smart for the seller, its highly annoying for the buyer to have to deal with people who donʻt set prices for the items theyʻre trying to sell and the sellers often lose sales because of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kFFeJF71k

I always used to have a set price for my items that I sell without CS, but I've had to start saying "Offer", mainly because if I said the price, most people would leave, even when I told them to counter offer.

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Originally Posted by Gragorak

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kFFeJF71k

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That... was the longest spam video I have ever endured.... so far.

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Originally Posted by zhaucakieeIsDead:1131244

One thing I dont understand is that when someone selling something and you ask how much in which they respond with "offer" what are they hoping is said? For example today i seen some guy spamming selling this and that in which I ask how much? Ok? And he responds with "offer" so I make an offer, a slightly lowball-ish offer (400k below cs on 2 mil item) and he responds with "bye". Now my question is (bare in mind item is 2m on cs) what are these ppl hoping for me to say? Ill pay 2.1? I just dont get it. Isnt it easier to just counter? My problem is I was raised to be respectful with manners. And they say that people reveal there true selves in the form of fantasy characters. If this is true, is our world screwed? Because this is very common. Sry for the rant but seeing this type of behavior and attitude really irritates me. You can tell me to toughen up, but this is really disappointing.

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Mainly some people say "offer" is to see what you would offer them for an item. They don't want to make their price so high that the buyer would leave, but not too low that they lose too much money.
Why they say bye? I dont know..

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Originally Posted by Wendellism

That... was the longest spam video I have ever endured.... so far.

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Search up on YouTube

"who you calling a pinhead 10 hour version"

Or

"Leedel Leedel Leedel Lee 10 hour version"

They are expecting within 95-100% near the CS price.
400k off of 2M is essentially 80% of the price.

It's hard for players who joined after Mount Fang to admit that CS is overpriced- they never witnessed days when the market was poor.
That said, you're better off looking on CS for mislistings rather than trying to buy discounted items.

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Originally Posted by NECROREAPER

When they tell you to offer theyʻre gauging what youʻre willing to price outright, rather than them telling you what youʻll be paying. Itʻs a smart tactic because sometimes people wonʻt know what to say so theyʻll end up over paying or at least paying more than the seller originally wanted. Despite being smart for the seller, its highly annoying for the buyer to have to deal with people who donʻt set prices for the items theyʻre trying to sell and the sellers often lose sales because of it.

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Agreed. It's their item, so they can ask for an offer as they wish. If you don't want to give one, then don't (I typically don't). If you want the item badly enough, you'll throw out a number, maybe even more than what the seller initially had in mind if he's lucky. End of the day, it's his item he's selling, he shouldn't have to give a price.

This rant wasnt about his unwillingness to sell me the item for a low price it was his response to my "offer" that this thread is about,but I disagree about it being resonable to not wanna give a price. Yes its his item. If you want cs price, put it on cs. Thats how I feel. Only because a mojority of the time ppl spamming selling this and that will be willing to sell 15-20% off.

Generally people that spam in towns view the CS as a "recommended price" board rather than a place to sell items and they instead sit in the town spamming as they feel this will help get the item off their hands quicker.

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In my opinion, if they want to sell their items at 90-100% CS price, they shouldn't be spamming in Balefort. -.-
Don't be stingy with the few thousands, the quick-chat system doesn't like you touching him 24/7!

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Originally Posted by zhaucakieeIsDead

One thing I dont understand is that when someone selling something and you ask how much in which they respond with "offer" what are they hoping is said? For example today i seen some guy spamming selling this and that in which I ask how much? Ok? And he responds with "offer" so I make an offer, a slightly lowball-ish offer (400k below cs on 2 mil item) and he responds with "bye". Now my question is (bare in mind item is 2m on cs) what are these ppl hoping for me to say? Ill pay 2.1? I just dont get it. Isnt it easier to just counter? My problem is I was raised to be respectful with manners. And they say that people reveal there true selves in the form of fantasy characters. If this is true, is our world screwed? Because this is very common. Sry for the rant but seeing this type of behavior and attitude really irritates me. You can tell me to toughen up, but this is really disappointing.

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I've experienced this as well. One guy even got upset simply because I was curious about his item when I actually didn't intend to buy it. Some people are just, like you said, rude. You're right when you see people's true colors comes out in fantasy characters. I know I've said some things that I would never say in "real life" which I regret, and I'm sure many others can say the same. I guess it's just one of those things. Hang in there, man! There's annoying people everywhere (lots of times due to their extremely young ages) so just try and lead by example! Oftentimes, they catch on.

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Originally Posted by Mysticaldream

End of the day, it's his item he's selling, he shouldn't have to give a price.

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It's a free country, and obviously people can do what they want, but it doesn't work like this in the real world though. It's almost always the seller's responsibility to set the starting point. Even in situations where negotiation is expected, like with cars and houses, there's an asking price. You walk into any store, and there are price tags. It's not like "hey, how much is this candy bar?" and the guy says "offer."

But yeah, I don't so much care about that, but more about the seller's reaction to an offer. The seller in the original post clearly had a target number in head, and to simply reply with "bye" instead of just saying the number or trying to negotiate toward it is just a waste of his own time. He trolled himself.

I always always always highball when selling and lowball when buy. Expecting the whole time that the right price will be met in the middle somewhere. If the people won't negotiate, then I just stop talking to them.

You don't want to start your negotions from the wrong place.

I get what you're saying though. Especially people that expect to sell their 1 or 2M item for 10-20k below CS. If you want prices that close, you better just list it. If I'm buying from someone that doesn't want to pay a listing fee, they better give a little discount. Otherwise, I'm content paying more to someone that was actually willing to list it.

Personally, when I am buying an item and they tell me to offer, I say "I don't offer, price?" and that usually gets a price out of them. I only counter offer because if they were to tell me a price, it may be lower than what my offer would've been. When Im selling I usually just give a price and tell them its negotiable. My suggestion to you Zhau is to just refuse to offer and see where it gets you.