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Based int, gear str, dex stat (read: pally) are pretty good in 76 and owning most class in 77 but from my pov there is something that i couldnot understand why in 51,56,61,66,71 pally isnt as powerful like in 76 77 althogh in thats lv str sets its work good?
Probably because in those lvls str gear doesn't give as much dodge as endgame gear
At endgame, str sets are too op and have too much dodge thats why so many pallies.
But in those lvs the dodge pretty high too, i dont get it :/
51 str sets lack skill damage, crit and dodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
51 str sets don't lack dodge. Fury fighter gives 32 base dodge and royal sewer/fury mix gives as much as 38. I'd say that's pretty high, that gives bears almost 60 dodge when they buff. They don't lack skill damage either, sword sets give higher skill damage but they do lack base damage and crit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoopeo
And @ the op (wouldn't let me edit) there are 56 pallies and 71 pallies which don't do bad either.
str it self got op-er as lvl cap approached to endgame.
many basics got dramatically changed just for an example
a lower lvl pally still can't spam he have to utilize his limited mana
56 Pallys are a pain only for birds reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by programmed
So the reason its mana regen?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPest
Why dont devs "copy" 56 and "resize" it to endgames so int based, str set, dex stats (read: pally) isnt that godly and wand user can really blow
Its lack on hit but if u was tried 40 45 35 dodge bear, in 51 will be like "ill tell you what the real meaning of dodge"Quote:
Originally Posted by Itoopeo
no it was a good example , but ya u can call it a factorQuote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
So reduce mana regen can balance pvp ?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPest
No, that will affect mages a lot int or strQuote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
Waht? some of these posts don't make sense.
L56,60,71 pallies do fine. At L51 MM just overpowers str sets and Tiki God(i think) is just plain nukey. the L56 int set isn't too shabby either, whereas the L60 demo str set is completely superior to L60 demo set(not lilith) and L71 sets are like L75/L77 sets
GF?
Its just sporadic, i dont even know where the counters point. Where the point i said can work well in those lvls? my question its why in those lvls pally isnt as powerful as 76/77. 51 MM overpower str set? NO, if u meant mage better using MM in 51 than using FF or mix str sets its YESQuote:
Originally Posted by iRandom
56 int isnt shabby too?where i said if it was shabby i said about "copying" 56 to endgames so wand user can blow. 60 demo str set superior against 60 demo set(no lilith)? Its doesnt make a sense so specific set STR op against general sets STR INT DEX and no lilith, cmon its like u says savage dragon master set superior against dragon master set not lustrous ???
71 like 75/77 sets ? This statement isnt explicit, if u meant 71 sets appereance look like 75 sets its YES but not with 77 if u meant about comparation in 71 pally its as good like pally in 76/77 i think its not, cus i think bear more powerful in this lvs and 71 pally its rarely found, there are more goddess int mage.
GG
Hmm yea, but wdyt its that bad if there are more int that str mage? Its just me that dont know about it or there are no really counter to pally like dex bear against str bear CMIIWQuote:
Originally Posted by Booked
Btw as str based char,bear dont need too high mana regen too cus their skills consumpt lil amount mana?
And yea if there are more int its good espclly if int set work well like in 56
Hmm wdyt ?
60 demo str does not overpower 60 demo int lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRandom
L51 MM Set overpowers L51/L50 sets. Point refuted. GGQuote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
Wand users won't blow. Pallies at the level still do fairly decent. So copying 56 to endgame wouldn't blow. Point refuted. GG
L60 Str set totally outguns L60 Int set(demo). I excluded Lilith bc the thread asked Why aren't low level pallies as good as endgame pallys. In other words, we are comparing 1 level of str sets and int sets not 60 and 61 but 60 and 60. Point refuted. GG
Endgame is L77 right now not L75. So comparing savage and lust str is useless. Point refuted. GG
L71 pally is more rare than L71 Goddess Int Mage? I think not. For every 2 L71 Pallies, I see 1 Goddess Mage. Point refuted. GG
Back to the topic. Lower level pallies don't do as well as endgame pallies bc of GEAR lolololololololol. Pretty balanced everywhere else except endgame. I tip my hat off to any pure int endgame mages.
Plz rephrase your point. Yes BEARS don't utilize as much mana as other classes. Plz replace str with BEAR. Ty in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
Reducing mana regen shouldn't affect bears as their skills utilize little mana(or none). again GG.
More int what? Int mages? Int bears? plz be specific.
From what i've seen it has. OR the int demo mages just have no skill lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Burstnuke
cause int sets r gud> @yoloswag@muchgegeQuote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
51 MM overpower str set lololol? Its abspolutely no, i would like if programmed and syncful who have played 51 comment on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by iRandom
How u said it wont blow? In 56 int set its decent there are more charmin than a pally there
Then y u adding "no lilith" and before u said it unexplicit str demo set(specifics set) superior against demo set(only demo, demo may be int,dex,str)
When u comapared demo vs lilith i said its like u said compare dragon master vs lustrous. endgames its 75-77, if u said cap now its 77 its true
2pally every one goddes? Lol! i would like gregjoob comment too on this
Pls gear its too general, gear have many factor stats. And in those lv bear got same gear with pally ofc and do good, how pally in endgame with same gear can get better results? Thats the point
If yes so whats the point of giving high mana regen to str set, cause str based char dont need that? High mana might be factors of how engames pally do better than those lvls i said in page one.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRandom
Bear and str its something near but diffrents, replacing bear with st can make missunderstanding.
Considering bear skills only consumpt lil mana amount so i said reduce mana regen from str sets might be a factor to balance pvp cause endgames pally its pretty powerful because its like dont have a enemy to counter it like fox with str bear, str bear with dexbear but something that made question its why low lvs pally isnt as viable likd endgames pally so the points to reduce pvp its SUPPOSSED to pally and not for bear. Meant for
int mage and ofc u dont know cause that reply its supposed to booked and WASNOT for you thats y i used QUOTE and in my conversations with booked before, booked said "no that will affect mages int or not"
Thats y i replied "if there are more int..."
Read carefully
Its not reply how pally (pally its mage using str set) in those lvls cant do aswell as endgames.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRandom
This another person who said that one of ur arguments its invalid too @irandomQuote:
Originally Posted by Burstnuke
@UMMMMMMMMMM. L51 pallies loose to L51 int mages. @dOcTORraNDOM my old L51 MageQuote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
When i played a year ago it was more. @L71
Im comparing demo to demo lololololololol
STR gear at higher lvls has pretty much everything minus ranged atuo attks. Dodge, crit, and hit. in addition to rmor
lower lvls its usually one or the other or all but very low
"if there are more int[...]" wasn't very clear thats y i said "plz rephrase ur point[s]"Quote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
umm plz use spaces between each of your points.....makes it ezier to read
*str bear* tyvm as u said str users dont use much mana which is not true as str mages, rhinos, and foxes consume lots of mana while fighting while bear uses very little mana as u have said lol
yes it is viable point that mana regen from str sets may cause pallys to do worse at lower lvls... now ur just confusing me
Nice example! but L2 read if u had read my reply to thatQuote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
it is cause int sets at lower lvls r actually goood for that lvl....Quote:
Originally Posted by bearuang
Viable Points for Pallies not doing as well as Endgame:
Mana Regen
INT Gear actually being good
Low skill point allocation
STR Gear at endgame being extremely good!!!!!
PLZ dont compare crafted bsm to lust sets.
comparison between demo sets is valid!
correction in all my statements as u hav once said. Mages using MM vs Mages using STR gear @51
hopefully most would understand that that was implied