Something that troubles me

I've been seeing in quite a few threads that STS only caters to the rich people and they the only ones who have a say so or only there vote only counts. Okay let's look at something here.... Pretty much we know who the majority of the rich people are in game. There isn't enough of them in the total player base to have that type of influence over this game as a whole. I'm not rich by any means of the imagination. Everyone from the poor, middle, rich players give input and the dev's take the time to read and check the pulse of the community as a whole and then decides what they are going to implement. So all I ask is that people stop using baseless accusations towards STS and the "rich" people. I know someone will take offense to this and I'm sorry if I rub some people the wrong way but, I felt it's been needed to be stated for a while.

For the most part, sts DOES cater to the rich for the majority of content.

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Originally Posted by Oursizes

For the most part, sts DOES cater to the rich for the majority of content.

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Most people comment on forum are rich ppl .



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Originally Posted by Trojan2100

Most people comment on forum are rich ppl .
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Well...I'm broke in both game and RL so..yeah..

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Originally Posted by Trojan2100

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So am I rich? Lol
Well,quite Not catering,we all have same luck in-game.For example I bought lots of plats and opened locks that's what actually brought my richness.The key to being rich is patience and work or the easier key buying plat :p

there are many rich players in game but sts dont listem to them why? because they are new and got rich with plat....many rich players we know in forum are playing this game for a long time...they have much knowledge about this game...they are also respected players and are the GM of some big guilds or old officers....so they represent many players....there is a insider forum section i think

There is a major reason why devs reply to threads of these people.
Most of the "rich" people are very influential in both games and forums; almost small-time game celeberities if i may say so.
Hence, their posts are seen/commented on by majority of the forumers. If devs reply to such threads; they reach out to almost the whole forum community.
Think for yourself, would you give this reply more attention if it had been from say Zeus rather than the nub merchmaster [emoji14]

To get rich in the game, with a few exceptions for those who are super lucky you either have to play a lot or spend a lot of real money. So yes, they tend to cater towards those who are keeping them in business, whether they are players who put in lots of time in game or those who spend lots of real money. I think you will find any other business would conduct itself the same way.

Ask your local restaurant that you visit once a month to make a change on the menu and see what they say? Now ask the one you visit 5 times a week to make the same change and you will most likely get a better response.

I respect most of you guys and gals opinion of catering to the rich. But I still say that it's not a big enough base to have so much of a influence until it actually affects game play. I may be wrong but, hey I'm only one person who has decided to say something.

devs listen to the feedback to thiings from old players and most of the old players are also rich....there any many players who spent 1month in game and have necro and all but they dont have experience like the old gamers

People only complain if something benefits someone else, but hesitate when it also benefits themselves. There is always a selfish jealousy and disdain accomplishment behind every complaint against rich people when the person considers themselves poorer. Even when there is rhyme with the reason, there is always a personally emotional factor that instigates the actual complaint. I'm not a rich player at all, and I honestly don't care about virtual wealth, but there is a lot of unneeded negative feedback given to STS and the top 1% of the wealthy. There is so much bias and drama that comes from it.

As for the theory that STS only caters to their high-paying customers, give it up. Usually the only people giving direct feedback are those high-paying customers who knows the jist of how to relate to STS. It is not hard to communicate your opinions like it is in other gaming communities. If more players knew about these forums, and relayed their feedback and opinions accordingly as a whole, then there would be a lot less trial and error when trying to get your point across. STS' s main goal as a conglomerate game producer is to deliver content to suit nearly everyone, so they can gain more newly paying customers to thicken that wire of their profit. A wire with a single strand of copper isn't going to be as strong as one with tens of hundreds of strands.

I will draw the line between rational and irrationality when the rich are at a distinctly unfair advantage, which is dominant in the PvP aspect of the game. Most of the top gear are currently unavailable to the newer players. Things like these paracelsus gems and the notorious SnS, which were given as a reward in certain events which of course are long gone. The advantage they give to their owners are tremendously widening the gap between them and the average rich player. When something like this is apparent, it justifies the concern that STS isnt paying as much attention to those that aren't 100% invested into the company. Without these items, the game would undoubtedly be fair and the argument for new players to actually work to get to the top would be justified. But it's currently lacking, and I sincerely hope STS is aware of the magnitude this has on establishing a player base for their games. No one plays to be second fiddle.

I have a question.......

How can one guy loot 11 recipes! That is not general luck, it is plat based luck.

The odds of looting ONE recipe is very very very low, but for one guy who spends a fortune in game and loots 11 is very suspicious.

Do the maths and you'll find out that odds of looting 11 recipes based purely on luck is probably in the millions if not billions. Looting 11 recipes is just next to impossible but it's been done, I'm of the thinking that if you spend a vast fortune in game, your luck percentage rises.

In other words it's not pure luck but luck percentage given when creating your toon and further enhanced by spending Worldly amounts of real money.

Example, I had no trouble whatsoever supergemming anything belonging to my tank, I've spent a lot on this toon and I also looted a mythic pendant recipe by doing only a few runs. I've supergemmed mythic pendant, armour within days. I tried supergemming on my rogue and a month later just had 2 supergems! I gave up and used enchanted eyes.

P.S you also then find out that some other guy who pours tons of cash into game has looted another shard or two!!!!

Is this PURE luck based ?

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Originally Posted by Terminhater

I have a question.......

How can one guy loot 11 recipes! That is not general luck, it is plat based luck.

The odds of looting ONE recipe is very very very low, but for one guy who spends a fortune in game and loots 11 is very suspicious.

Do the maths and you'll find out that odds of looting 11 recipes based purely on luck is probably in the millions if not billions. Looting 11 recipes is just next to impossible but it's been done, I'm of the thinking that if you spend a vast fortune in game, your luck percentage rises.

In other words it's not pure luck but luck percentage given when creating your toon and further enhanced by spending Worldly amounts of real money.

Example, I had no trouble whatsoever supergemming anything belonging to my tank, I've spent a lot on this toon and I also looted a mythic pendant recipe by doing only a few runs. I've supergemmed mythic pendant, armour within days. I tried supergemming on my rogue and a month later just had 2 supergems! I gave up and used enchanted eyes.

P.S you also then find out that some other guy who pours tons of cash into game has looted another shard or two!!!!

Is this PURE luck based ?

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It was ravager's total runs. every 250 runs he recieved 1 recipe. Idk, but this was somewhere in a thread. Not sure, but yes it was in some thread...hmm...

He's done at least 2.9k+ runs now (just guessing)?

Luck is Luck. I can have a 50% chance of getting heads on a coin toss and toss that coin 1000 times in a row and NOT get heads. It's really just that simple.

I understand that as a risk of opening locks, and I deal with it. I would LOVE for them to have a different system in place for getting better items, but hey, it is what it is.
I still think I'm getting a decent amount of entertainment from the game, so I'm still playing. Bottom line, if anyone is unhappy with the game, the door is right there... really. No one is forcing anyone to play.

PS I seriously doubt it is realistic to think that the devs to go around putting in code to help certain players, its just not feasible. This is a real company with some checks and balances, not some college kid in a dorm room somewhere.

BTW Good thread, everyone is keeping things calm and rational, good to see that in a thread like this, 8^).

Yes like Wazakesy stated this was Ravagerx average of recipes. Much of the luck is actually plat based, while a slight bit is non-plat based. For example, many players who have spent thousands and thousands of $$$ have better "luck" than those who spent none. There's then players like Kalizzaa who have done 1k+ runs and have looted only epics, because they dont spent a ton on the game. As for non-plat based luck, there's a player who looted fossil from doing plat offers, and another who looted shard by buying $100 worth of plats. The luck percentages for people in the game are different. The more money you spend, the more your luck rises.

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Originally Posted by PhoenixPrime

Luck is Luck. I can have a 50% chance of getting heads on a coin toss and toss that coin 1000 times in a row and NOT get heads. It's really just that simple.

I understand that as a risk of opening locks, and I deal with it. I would LOVE for them to have a different system in place for getting better items, but hey, it is what it is.
I still think I'm getting a decent amount of entertainment from the game, so I'm still playing. Bottom line, if anyone is unhappy with the game, the door is right there... really. No one is forcing anyone to play.

PS I seriously doubt it is realistic to think that the devs to go around putting in code to help certain players, its just not feasible. This is a real company with some checks and balances, not some college kid in a dorm room somewhere.

BTW Good thread, everyone is keeping things calm and rational, good to see that in a thread like this, 8^).

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But then remember that STS "reserves" the right to change "anything in the game", and anything in the game is subject to change, including luck. If you have a 50% chance of getting heads on a coin toss and toss it 1000x, within those 1000x you will get heads at least once. The reason that STS more than likely raises plat buyers' luck is so that they buy more and more plats to keep them in business, of course. It's common sense. And any mod or admin that replies saying that they don't change the luck of players more than likely lying to keep the truth from spilling out. Until this whole luck system is changed to a system where you are rewarded based on actually playing the game, there will always be players that believe the theory of STS altering luck % of players.

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Originally Posted by Iinorex

devs listen to the feedback to thiings from old players and most of the old players are also rich....there any many players who spent 1month in game and have necro and all but they dont have experience like the old gamers

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And these old players either farmed there way there or popped locks. But when you look at the forums for instance. You see a lot of the usual suspects lol. And STS maybe willing to listen to them versus new players for the simple fact they are dedicated and not because they are rich or spend tons of money in game. If they catered to the rich that means that the first time that some random person loots a couple of recipes or shards and gets rich STS now has become friends with them. Really????? Come on now.

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Originally Posted by Oursizes

But then remember that STS "reserves" the right to change "anything in the game", and anything in the game is subject to change, including luck. If you have a 50% chance of getting heads on a coin toss and toss it 1000x, within those 1000x you will get heads at least once. The reason that STS more than likely raises plat buyers' luck is so that they buy more and more plats to keep them in business, of course. It's common sense. And any mod or admin that replies saying that they don't change the luck of players more than likely lying to keep the truth from spilling out. Until this whole luck system is changed to a system where you are rewarded based on actually playing the game, there will always be players that believe the theory of STS altering luck % of players.

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That is not correct. You can toss a coin 1000x and NEVER get heads, percentages are based on your sample size. So in order for that 50% to be 50% you might need to toss it 1,000,000 times before it finally comes out at a 50% chance. That's just the way it works. I've spent a LOT on this game (not going to put the number out there) to legitimately purchase platinum for crates and I am definitely not walking around in the latest/greatest/best gear.

So yeah, the luck system that is currently in place sucks since there are no other ways of getting the best stuff. HOWEVER, that is how things are now, so players need to deal with it, OR try to be constructive to make changes, OR move on to other game, pretty simple choices, shrug.

Seriously, I think the devs have a lot more to work on than trying to modify code to play favorites. People that think that is the case are taking this game a little bit too seriously.

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Originally Posted by Terminhater

Do the maths and you'll find out that odds of looting 11 recipes based purely on luck is probably in the millions if not billions.

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The odds of looting any number of any item will never be higher than 1. Also, to calculate the odds of looting 11 recipes, you need the sample size, that is, number of runs the player in question made, something that you do not have.

I could spend £500 a week on this game and my luck would be no different than spending £70. Sts does not change peoples luck because they spend more cash. No game company works like that

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Originally Posted by Oursizes

Yes like Wazakesy stated this was Ravagerx average of recipes. Much of the luck is actually plat based, while a slight bit is non-plat based. For example, many players who have spent thousands and thousands of $$$ have better "luck" than those who spent none. There's then players like Kalizzaa who have done 1k+ runs and have looted only epics, because they dont spent a ton on the game. As for non-plat based luck, there's a player who looted fossil from doing plat offers, and another who looted shard by buying $100 worth of plats. The luck percentages for people in the game are different. The more money you spend, the more your luck rises.

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This is completely obsurd. I personally have spent thousands of dollars on this game and still have yet to loot a single recipe. Given: I havent spent nearly what Ravager has, however where do you draw the line?
When the planar pendant was released i spent all of my time in arena running hundreds of times, eventually i gave up trying. Now I'm back to running arena for fun and to help friends and I get exactly what I ran for each time (a good time with friends).

And as to devs listening to players I feel it has a large majority to do with good ideas from experienced seasoned players. Also the majority of the community being in agreeance plays a large part (assuming what we ask for is a reasonable demand*).

And please understand that it isn't only the rich who comment on forums. Very few of my guild is "rich" and we remain extremely active on the forums.

*Keep in mind that STS is a business

I tend to believe that looting rare items like recipes or uber rare ones like fossils isn't technically "luck". More along the lines that there is a fixed number of items that drop per day/week, probably even at certain times of the day. For example, I looted my recipe very late at night my local time, which is evening in America. Most, if not all, recipe drops I've seen, were looted during the same period of the day.

Pure speculation though. :)

As for catering to the rich - well, yeah, this is obvious. It's understandable in a real life business, but I'm pretty sure it's not ok in an mmo game. Cause, you know, the first "m" in mmo stands for "massively". I don't think it's healthy for a gaming company to ignore the masses.

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Originally Posted by merch_master

There is a major reason why devs reply to threads of these people.
Most of the "rich" people are very influential in both games and forums; almost small-time game celeberities if i may say so.
Hence, their posts are seen/commented on by majority of the forumers. If devs reply to such threads; they reach out to almost the whole forum community.
Think for yourself, would you give this reply more attention if it had been from say Zeus rather than the nub merchmaster [emoji14]

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If it's a good post or comment to a post. I'll read it regardless of who wrote it.

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Originally Posted by Wazakesy

It was ravager's total runs. every 250 runs he recieved 1 recipe. Idk, but this was somewhere in a thread. Not sure, but yes it was in some thread...hmm...

He's done at least 2.9k+ runs now (just guessing)?

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5 of them were looted the week that the drop rate for recipe was high. The rest...well, I happen to believe he keeps a magic horseshoe shoved somewhere on his person. (I'll not bother to specify where...).

This is where these bogus assumptions come into play, that the OP is referring to. Having played beside Ravagerx daily for over 2 years, I know for a fact that he does play a lot, and does not spend large amounts of money on platinum (not that it's anybody's beeswax), so anyone saying that he got recipes because he's a heavy plat spender is barking up the wrong tree.

Yeah y'all I think StS has gone through leaps and bounds to put more in the game for the F2P players. Let me list the ones off the top of my head:

1. Ankh- now everyone can rev not just plat players. That before was a HUGE disparity between the plat and non-plat player

2. Energy crafting- for a lot of hard work and effort everyone can farm and craft energy to their heart's content to make energy and run events... for FREE

3. Free events- Valentines, Easter, Hauntlet. Completely F2P, we made gold off them, and they are FUN!

4. Ankh at our allies- hey visit your allies and get free ankh!

5. Crafting of Nekro- OK this one is double edge sword, but hey you CAN get a RED PET for FREE if you happen to have the luck of God. Never had that here before, right?

6. Imbued armor- also free if you have super good luck

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I am a plat player and I think the total opposite from the OP. I think that StS is doing LESS for us people who do pay to play, and I find myself purchasing less plat because there isn't anything to spend it on. I was disappointed by the insertion of the pet crates and felt it was a total ploy for us to spend money on basically junk. Also, the value of the items inside of locked are so low it's not even worth it anymore to pop locked. They crashed the market with double odds followed by 8 plat per crate. Now everyone and their mother has arcane items and really they aren't arcane rarity.

The people who are playing for free have gotten a lot of great additions in Arcane Legends as of late, however the community as a whole is suffering because there is simply nothing left to farm for or spend money on.

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Yeah y'all I think StS has gone through leaps and bounds to put more in the game for the F2P players. Let me list the ones off the top of my head:

1. Ankh- now everyone can rev not just plat players. That before was a HUGE disparity between the plat and non-plat player

2. Energy crafting- for a lot of hard work and effort everyone can farm and craft energy to their heart's content to make energy and run events... for FREE

3. Free events- Valentines, Easter, Hauntlet. Completely F2P, we made gold off them, and they are FUN!

4. Ankh at our allies- hey visit your allies and get free ankh!

5. Crafting of Nekro- OK this one is double edge sword, but hey you CAN get a RED PET for FREE if you happen to have the luck of God. Never had that here before, right?

6. Imbued armor- also free if you have super good luck

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I am a plat player and I think the total opposite from the OP. I think that StS is doing LESS for us people who do pay to play, and I find myself purchasing less plat because there isn't anything to spend it on. I was disappointed by the insertion of the pet crates and felt it was a total ploy for us to spend money on basically junk. Also, the value of the items inside of locked are so low it's not even worth it anymore to pop locked. They crashed the market with double odds followed by 8 plat per crate. Now everyone and their mother has arcane items and really they aren't arcane rarity.

The people who are playing for free have gotten a lot of great additions in Arcane Legends as of late, however the community as a whole is suffering because there is simply nothing left to farm for or spend money on.

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I definitely agree with you on this here. STS has gone through leaps and bounds for non plat players. I respect the fact that you feel completely opposite to what I've been reading in some threads about STS catering to the plat spenders. I just think it's kinda silly that some people actually believe this. But hey it's there belief and they are entitled to it.

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Originally Posted by Candylicks

Yeah y'all I think StS has gone through leaps and bounds to put more in the game for the F2P players. Let me list the ones off the top of my head:

1. Ankh- now everyone can rev not just plat players. That before was a HUGE disparity between the plat and non-plat player

2. Energy crafting- for a lot of hard work and effort everyone can farm and craft energy to their heart's content to make energy and run events... for FREE

3. Free events- Valentines, Easter, Hauntlet. Completely F2P, we made gold off them, and they are FUN!

4. Ankh at our allies- hey visit your allies and get free ankh!

5. Crafting of Nekro- OK this one is double edge sword, but hey you CAN get a RED PET for FREE if you happen to have the luck of God. Never had that here before, right?

6. Imbued armor- also free if you have super good luck

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I am a plat player and I think the total opposite from the OP. I think that StS is doing LESS for us people who do pay to play, and I find myself purchasing less plat because there isn't anything to spend it on. I was disappointed by the insertion of the pet crates and felt it was a total ploy for us to spend money on basically junk. Also, the value of the items inside of locked are so low it's not even worth it anymore to pop locked. They crashed the market with double odds followed by 8 plat per crate. Now everyone and their mother has arcane items and really they aren't arcane rarity.

The people who are playing for free have gotten a lot of great additions in Arcane Legends as of late, however the community as a whole is suffering because there is simply nothing left to farm for or spend money on.

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I do agree that sts has given many more options to f2p players, as well as more help. However, with all due respect, sts broke their own economy with the 8 plat locks, 40% plat sale, and then immediately pet crates, which were the worst. Shadowlurk, one of the only pets worth farming for, has now become worth squat. Also, the pet crates more did help plat players than f2p, as well as 40% off plat, 8 plat crates. As someone else stated in a different thread, plat was originally meant to get people ahead in the game, not allow them to skip all the work together. Also, as Tata has stated, sts has been ignoring the masses for quite a while.
However, there IS a way to fix this. And its to add a way to make actual money like in pl, where there was Alien Oasis: Plasma Pyramid or something like that. At least there people knew what they were running for(2-4k per run). If I knew that I would be guaranteed around 3k per run, I wouldn't mind running the map around 3k times or so for 10mil. This however is just an example. The numbers should be scaled accordingly, of course. IMO, plasma pyramid was one of the greatest things about pl. It actually required hard work instead of pure luck to make gold there.

STS has done A LOT for the non-plat player. As Candy said, Ankh, Elixir Kits, Energy farming, etc., have all helped non-plat players quite a bit and has enabled more players to be competitive.

On the flip-side however, ankh and elixir kits have also brought about a greater increase in one-hit bosses and mobs. Generally, I've always welcomed a challenge, but with mobs one-hitting well geared players without warning (wolves, scorns and others), it feels like ankh have created an atmosphere where it's not only OK to die, but expected. How many times have I seen people say that in order to run Planar Tombs or Arena you need to have ankh? Ankh have been a great tool to get more players into running elites; but the increase in one-hits just feels too artificial to discount. Net result? Small positive for the game because now it's all-too-common to get one hit, and to be honest, I think most players are expecting the expansion to make one-hits more likely than they were in Planar Tombs.

I've long had an issue with the drop system/luck. Yes, it IS appropriate to have shortcuts for players that allows them to get rich quick or make the grind easier, etc. Whether this is in the form of a rare drop (recipe, fossil, etc.) or Combo Elixirs to make runs faster and easier, I honestly have no issue with it at all. Basically, it is a matter of the value you place on your time. You can run a map in 5 minutes or 12...it's simply a matter if you and your party is willing to shell out some gold to make things go a little faster/easier. It kind of dove-tails into the one-hit argument above, but my biggest issue really is the lack of reward for those that either can't or won't "pay" for the shortcut. In all the games I've played, I can't recall another title where the best items were exclusive to chests that required real money to open. There were always those add-ons and extras that made your game play a little bit easier (many times, they were usually centered around revives or enhancers), but I've never seen equipment available exclusively through this type of money for pixels exchange system.

This type of plat/ankh/elixir/luck system is really the culprit behind the platinum farming epidemic. When you have an environment where game-play isn't enough to advance, you create a situation where there are two options. Throw lots of money into the game, or exploit it (aka plat farming). Now, don't get me wrong, plat farming is probably the main reason why kits and ankh prices have stayed reasonably affordable, since tremendous amounts of in-game currency is being generated all the time, so there are some legitimate benefits to what is happening. However, plat-farming has been SO destructive to the game in terms of wealth concentration, increase in rare pets/gear and devaluation of the economy in general that the small benefit does not offset the damage. At this point in time, there simply is NO WAY to generate sufficient revenue through farming alone to fully equip your toon.

I am not privy to STS's plans for this game, but I suspect that their plan is to increase these platinum draining mechanisms (pet crates, locked crates, elixirs, revives, ankh, etc.). In my opinion, this generates a negative playing atmosphere. I don't mind throwing cash into the game because I want to, but I did have an issue throwing cash at the game because I had to in order to stay competitive.

Back to the OP, I don't think that STS listens to one group of players more than another. I believe that their goal is to build up the game, and suggestions that fit into their long-term vision for the game will be implemented; whether that suggestion comes from the rich or poor, pro or noob is inconsequential, because for STS, this game is a business and will operate as such.

I just chose to leave the game because I found myself enjoying the game less than I used to. I am a humble PvE farmer and it had gotten to the point where the runs were neither profitable nor satisfying anymore. The money I spent on Locked Crates, Elixirs, Pets, Ankh were not improving my gameplay in any way, and the drop/luck system seemed to be a bit too punishing to continue throwing good money after bad. I've enjoyed AL immensely, and appreciate the community around it even more, but it simply stopped being "fun" for me, so whatever my gripes (and there are many), at the end of the day, this is a game and if it stops being entertaining it is time to walk away.

Whether you love or hate STS, this is a business. For those employed at STS, it is their job to strengthen the balance sheet. Suggestions, wherever they may come from will always be evaluated from a ROI perspective. Anything that improves the bottom line will be implemented, anything that does not (even if it sounds like a good idea) will not. One long-winded forum poster has very little influence in the grand scheme of the game.

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Originally Posted by Trojan2100

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I'm the minority people I guess. Not too poor, but not rich also.

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Originally Posted by regizakirs.rs

I've been seeing in quite a few threads that STS only caters to the rich people and they the only ones who have a say so or only there vote only counts. Okay let's look at something here.... Pretty much we know who the majority of the rich people are in game. There isn't enough of them in the total player base to have that type of influence over this game as a whole. I'm not rich by any means of the imagination. Everyone from the poor, middle, rich players give input and the dev's take the time to read and check the pulse of the community as a whole and then decides what they are going to implement. So all I ask is that people stop using baseless accusations towards STS and the "rich" people. I know someone will take offense to this and I'm sorry if I rub some people the wrong way but, I felt it's been needed to be stated for a while.

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STS cater themselves. Nothing wrong with that because they are a company looking to make a reasonable profit for their effort creating this game.