Fuzzy Bears.

You clicked this cus you thought there would be a cute bear picture.

sorry I don’t have any saved but all I have is a screenshot of my buddy Dark letting me know that on a previous date (not sure one or two days ago) he was baited into a solo pvp match vs a mage. Now this mage was “teaching” him. I saw them both leave and I thought, oh wow Hands for Help is still active and helping people, but no, he was baited into their match just to win one match and lose 14 horrible losses. Attachment 168249

But I’m not here for this drama, I’m just here because I don’t want people being swayed that bears are Overpowered. Because if that were the case bears would not need wall or trees or any short space.
Bears absolutely need a buff. In away that they will not struggle in a 1v1. Bears and Foxes need a buff for their solo fight purpose but I just thought I would bring this to light that Bears do not need a nerf.

THEY GOT A BUFF. Crash has killed me a few times in fights. Ive fought dark, he doesnt seem to know how to control his target and keep it in close range. Ive seen other bears destroy mages aswell. Mages arent OP, bears also dont need a MASSIVE buff. The axe is the best bet for bear IMO, for fights.

ty for posting this.


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Lol funny i just said they should get the talon proc because the sword proc and talon proc seem to be reversed imo on a different thread... that sounds like it would benefit bears to me... i see here i supposedly said bear was "op" and "needed nerfed" but in all actually I've never said anything of the sort... i said it was viable, that's not even good as far as i know...

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Dark will get better if he keeps working with me... i spent 10 minutes giving tips to him, and he killed me twice in open ground. That's pretty good for someone that buffed before I said go when i met them.

For those that remember Harryhandsome the 78 bear that made players rage 80 cap... when mage WAS "op"... that's me. He will be good :)

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THEY GOT A BUFF. Crash has killed me a few times in fights. Ive fought dark, he doesnt seem to know how to control his target and keep it in close range. Ive seen other bears destroy mages aswell. Mages arent OP, bears also dont need a MASSIVE buff. The axe is the best bet for bear IMO, for fights.

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Stop disagreeing jils for being jils.

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Lol funny i just said they should get the talon proc because the sword proc and talon proc seem to be reversed imo on a different thread... that sounds like it would benefit bears to me... i see here i supposedly said bear was "op" and "needed nerfed" but in all actually I've never said anything of the sort... i said it was viable, that's not even good as far as i know...

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Im sure it does say that now after you edited it :)

How long ago from this thread was it edited? I edit alot because i type kinda fast on a phone and use m instead of n... i edit things like that out... see there is a timeframe that tells the deception you're trying to pull...

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Im sure it does say that now after you edited it :)

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Yes yes let's see here, this thread is 1 hour old, and i actually didn't misspell anything therefore didn't edit it at all and that post is 12 hours old now, with the thread dead for 11 hours... what's even hilarious about this here is someone agreed with me there, but then bashes me here with this pure gossip that shows some he said she said nonsense...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8d9ff6e6ab.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...daeecd176d.jpg

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Lol jil take a chill pill sometimes people joke around i didnt even go back to look at that thread and to be honest i didnt even know the thread you were talking about

#BuffMages #BuffStaff #BuffRhino #NerfBird #NerfBear #NerfFox make the movement happen bois

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Bears absolutely need a buff. In away that they will not struggle in a 1v1. Bears and Foxes need a buff for their solo fight purpose but I just thought I would bring this to light that Bears do not need a nerf.

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What additional buff(s) do you suggest for the bear? Also @plpr

a little thing makin garbage to bear no ones say before..(i didnt see) elite sword speed is 0.6 and other class weapon more than that.. so no luck to catch enemy with this heavy sword.swords need more speed to catch enemy peaple..thats how bears can catch to kill i quess.. iwish more speed onsword

Although the focus isnt 1v1 for this cap, I agree that bears and Tyben sword needs a buff. Actually, Cinco was considering it so maybe we'll see it soon!

I'm kinda confused about this wording, but from what I'm picking up, you're misunderstanding weapon speed. Weapon speed show the attack speed of the weapons a determining factor in DPS, not player movement...

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a little thing makin garbage to bear no ones say before..(i didnt see) elite sword speed is 0.6 and other class weapon more than that.. so no luck to catch enemy with this heavy sword.swords need more speed to catch enemy peaple..thats how bears can catch to kill i quess.. iwish more speed onsword

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You clicked this cus you thought there would be a cute bear picture.

sorry I don’t have any saved but all I have is a screenshot of my buddy Dark letting me know that on a previous date (not sure one or two days ago) he was baited into a solo pvp match vs a mage. Now this mage was “teaching” him. I saw them both leave and I thought, oh wow Hands for Help is still active and helping people, but no, he was baited into their match just to win one match and lose 14 horrible losses. Attachment 168249

But I’m not here for this drama, I’m just here because I don’t want people being swayed that bears are Overpowered. Because if that were the case bears would not need wall or trees or any short space.
Bears absolutely need a buff. In away that they will not struggle in a 1v1. Bears and Foxes need a buff for their solo fight purpose but I just thought I would bring this to light that Bears do not need a nerf.

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First of all hands for help only rushs people unless 1. FFA is agreed upon. Or 2. The person being rushed is being rushed for a reason. And if your being farmed. Simply leave. Your friend chose stay. And just some advice for your friend. Playing against people who are btter then you. Will in turn make you a player

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Although the focus isnt 1v1 for this cap, I agree that bears and Tyben sword needs a buff. Actually, Cinco was considering it so maybe we'll see it soon!

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They just got a buff... somewhat, i believe if the added dodge to iron was replaced with either even more armor, or more health it would be alot better. As it stands now the extra dodgy dodge didn't really help since they already had more than the dodge cap.

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I’ve seen crash and a few other bears get into fights and they’re useless for fights by themselves. I understand the fact that it’s not a 1v1 cap but seriously these guys by themselves don’t manage at all. I’ll be testing and seeing what buff Bears and Fox need. I don’t want to make any suggestions blindly but I will let you know, besides losing 14 matches is possible, considering I have probably beaten the “best” bears multiple times without them getting above 2-4 kills lol.

I've fought crash a few times, and he's killed me 2 or 3 times in a row... Over a couple matches i killed him twice, he handed it to me the second match, and I'm not exactly new to mage. I wouldn't say useless.

You were using bird? Or mage?

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I’ve seen crash and a few other bears get into fights and they’re useless for fights by themselves. I understand the fact that it’s not a 1v1 cap but seriously these guys by themselves don’t manage at all. I’ll be testing and seeing what buff Bears and Fox need. I don’t want to make any suggestions blindly but I will let you know, besides losing 14 matches is possible, considering I have probably beaten the “best” bears multiple times without them getting above 2-4 kills lol.

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Crash is a god amonst pvp bears and makes the bear class look easy.

Personally I prefer to be a hybrid dex bear, using the talon or bow to farm with.

Perhaps more str tyben bears should voice an opinion about the set, so sts have a more in depth understanding of the weaknesses.

Its difficult to give constructive unbiased opionions if your favourite class is a mage or bird and so forth.

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Crash is a god amonst pvp bears and makes the bear class look easy.

Personally I prefer to be a hybrid dex bear, using the talon or bow to farm with.

Perhaps more str tyben bears should voice an opinion about the set, so sts have a more in depth understanding of the weaknesses.

Its difficult to give constructive unbiased opionions if your favourite class is a mage or bird and so forth.

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I have made 2 threads about it now. The reason why people don't care nearly as much about bear is because nobody plays them people just play the dominant classes being mage and bird. Rhino is another story but that's basically the just of what's going on at 105 pvp.

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I'm kinda confused about this wording, but from what I'm picking up, you're misunderstanding weapon speed. Weapon speed show the attack speed of the weapons a determining factor in DPS, not player movement...

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weapon speed changin movement speed . u can try on diferrent items and see easly

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I have made 2 threads about it now. The reason why people don't care nearly as much about bear is because nobody plays them people just play the dominant classes being mage and bird. Rhino is another story but that's basically the just of what's going on at 105 pvp.

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Which is why we want to make bear good lel.

Honestly hasn't been that good since 76.

Bear is feasible, and not as weak as y'all making it out to be... your all just used to being able to nuke as a str class... i can tell because most bears i fight just stand there and let me kill them instead of getting back while their skills cooldown.

I've been beaten by bears as have many other mages.... birds however have everything going for them atm. You can get a ridiculously op 1k armor 100 dodge buff your 1 hand set, and a 13m un-removable root effect on the 2h set.

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Which is why we want to make bear good lel.

Honestly hasn't been that good since 76.

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Weapon speed+weapon damage=dps

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weapon speed changin movement speed . u can try on diferrent items and see easly

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Bear is feasible, and not as weak as y'all making it out to be... your all just used to being able to nuke as a str class... i can tell because most bears i fight just stand there and let me kill them instead of getting back while their skills cooldown.

I've been beaten by bears as have many other mages.... birds however have everything going for them atm. You can get a ridiculously op 1k armor 100 dodge buff your 1 hand set, and a 13m un-removable root effect on the 2h set.

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It is, but feasible doesn't work out well when almost every other class is better than feasible.

I haven't seen many foxes in endgame.

This is your perspective, some bears beat me way more than i beat them... while i was teaching dark yesterday we watched zoro beat muzzing and make it look easy, one match was 4-1. I feel like alot of you talking about bear absolutely needing a buff just need more practice. Pvp changes with every cap and the strategy used before doesn't always work. Ik alot of bears got way used to being able to bec,cb,stomp,sms and kill every mage every time... but it's a str class and str classes are not damage classes, their tank classes.

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It is, but feasible doesn't work out well when almost every other class is better than feasible.

I haven't seen many foxes in endgame.

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This is your perspective, some bears beat me way more than i beat them... while i was teaching dark yesterday we watched zoro beat muzzing and make it look easy, one match was 4-1. I feel like alot of you talking about bear absolutely needing a buff just need more practice. Pvp changes with every cap and the strategy used before doesn't always work. Ik alot of bears got way used to being able to bec,cb,stomp,sms and kill every mage every time... but it's a str class and str classes are not damage classes, their tank classes.

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Yeah, they do need a buff. The sword is slow, they don't do an awful lot of damage and can only tank with axe which makes bears do basically no dmg especially to healers. As it stands right now bear is extremely weak in 1v1 and maybe a little better in teams. There are some exceptions but they're situational and rare. I should know, I play the class and know a lot of people who do as well. Combine that with what used to be an underwhelming sword proc (now is half-decent), they really are not as strong as you think they are. Yes, we are tank classes but we can't even do that right.

A little better in teams? Before i even had a set getrevoked and i with him in a 105 set could usually win 2v3s... bears are ridiculously good for team fights...

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Yeah, they do need a buff. The sword is slow, they don't do an awful lot of damage and can only tank with axe which makes bears do basically no dmg especially to healers. As it stands right now bear is extremely weak in 1v1 and maybe a little better in teams. There are some exceptions but they're situational and rare. I should know, I play the class and know a lot of people who do as well. Combine that with what used to be an underwhelming sword proc (now is half-decent), they really are not as strong as you think they are. Yes, we are tank classes but we can't even do that right.

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A little better in teams? Before i even had a set getrevoked and i with him in a 105 set could usually win 2v3s... bears are ridiculously good for team fights...

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Like I said, situational. We still can't tank much or do gobs of dmg so we don't stand out in any way. Sword is unbelievably slow and proc is already god awful, I wish it got a major rework.

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Like I said, situational. We still can't tank much or do gobs of dmg so we don't stand out in any way. Sword proc is already god awful and I wish it got a major rework.

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A rework like swapping with talon proc? Cuz it seems the dex/damage set has the tank proc, and the str/tank set has the damage proc imo

As far as situational goes... it's not hard to just put yourself IN that situation. It just takes practice. Alot of people askingfor change, are people that from whay i can tell, don't take experience into the factor...
If bears are already strong in teamplay, and teamplay is the focus this cap, buffing that class to better suit 1v1 would make it way op in teamplay where it's already good

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A rework like swapping with talon proc? Cuz it seems the dex/damage set has the tank proc, and the str/tank set has yhe damage proc imo

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Yeah actually I was thinking the same thing. Bears could benefit more from a self activate-able proc like an armor buff.

Or maybe when the proc shield is active, attackers get a guaranteed burn? Hmmmm I might make a thread for this so Cinco can see it.

Just saying, you guys are gonna wanna be careful what you wish for. While I agree that bears are pretty trash 1v1, they are game-changers in team play situations. If they get the buff most of you are asking for, they will be the utmost lethal element in FFA (and next thing you know, people are saying, ‘bears need a nerf’).

Exactly the point I've been trying to make. I do however believe swapping the talon proc and sword proc would help balance 1v1s somewhat while not having too much of an impact on ffa. Since typically in ffa players try to take the tank down last to prevent rev.

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Just saying, you guys are gonna wanna be careful what you wish for. While I agree that bears are pretty trash 1v1, they are game-changers in team play situations. If they get the buff most of you are asking for, they will be the utmost lethal element in FFA (and next thing you know, people are saying, ‘bears need a nerf’).

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Exactly the point I've been trying to make. I do however believe swapping the talon proc and sword proc would help balance 1v1s somewhat while not having too much of an impact on ffa. Since typically in ffa players try to take the tank down last to prevent rev.

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I see your point in terms of making bears remain tanky and so forth by switching the procs, but from my observations, I feel like it's the bears damage output that isn't enough in 1v1 situations if anything. Maybe their damage proc needs to be adjusted somehow.

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Exactly the point I've been trying to make. I do however believe swapping the talon proc and sword proc would help balance 1v1s somewhat while not having too much of an impact on ffa. Since typically in ffa players try to take the tank down last to prevent rev.

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What about rhinos though?

Rhinos would be even more op in 1v1s as they already are nearly impossible to kill, but they are not quite as useful as a bear in ffa situations. I believe many have been asking for a rhino buff nerf for a while.

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What about rhinos though?

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Stop suggesting things 1v1 based. Only 2/3s of people enjoy 1v. This is supposed to be team based game.