B set - a detailed comparison

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11-20-2011, 05:52 PM
JaytB

Crafted Lilith wand/bracer vs Demonic W/B set - a detailed comparison

I finally got lucky enough to be able to buy the last piece for my lv65 int set (darn hard to find lv65 robe :/), and decided to craft it. I was wondering how it stacked up against demonic.

Since I think that many people are wondering the same thing, I decided to write this post. This way, anyone can make an informed decision on the exact differences between these two awesome sets, and decide if it’s worth to spend time and/or gold on.

Here are both sets next to one another with their respective stats…

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/ce646d61.jpg http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/6979ef5b.jpg

Unless you like the flintstones, I’d say looks are way better for demonic (except maybe for the glowing eyes on the Lilith set). But I’ll just stay objective and say, opinions may vary :)

Below, you’ll find the stats summed up, and at the end, a summary of the differences.

Please note that the Demonic stats are for a 61 mage, while Lilith are taken from a 66 mage. So, while not 100% correct, it should give you a fairly accurate comparison.

Stats for Wand/Bracer at lv61 (Demonic) and Lv66 (Lilith) are:

Demonic/Lilith/Difference

Int : 405/413 (438 -25 (5x5int) for being lv 66))/8 int

Hit : 106/109/3 hit (possibly from int increase)

Crit : 29/42/13 crit

Dodge : 7/7/-

Health : 400/400/-

H/s : 36/32/-4 H/s

Mana : 802/819/17 Mana (possibly because of being lvl 66)

M/s : 28/37/9 M/s (possibly only 8 M/s, because of level difference)

Dmg : 203-248/221-266/18 Dmg

Dps : 225/244/19 Dps

Armor: 162/191/29

Lightning dmg: 293-440/315-468/22-28 dmg

Summary of differences in stats for Demonic vs Lilith

Below, I only highlighted the stats that shouldn’t have been impacted by the lvl differences too much

Lilith vs Demonic: +8 int, +3 hit, 17 Mana, -4 H/s, +9m/s, +13 crit, +18 min/max Dmg, +19 Dps, +29 armor, +22-28 skill dmg

Closing comments

With the lvl66 vanity sets and a ring, stats look more interesting:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/43e938af.jpg

The 66 vanity set, makes the set looks much better as compared to the flintstones look, in my personal opinion. But, I’ll let you be the judge of that:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/a32e5c88.jpg http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/b3696e02.jpg

Please leave your constructive feedback below :)
11-20-2011, 06:21 PM
Kaytar

Oh wow new crafted is way better than demonic.I'm getting it!!!
11-20-2011, 06:21 PM
Gaunab

Nice comparison :)

Off topic: You were looking for this robe. Have you bought it from someone who got it before the weekend or did it drop to you/ a mate of yours recently..?
11-20-2011, 06:22 PM
Cytokinesis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaunab

Off topic: You were looking for this robe. Have you bought it from someone who got it before the weekend or did it drop to you/ a mate of yours recently..?

Lilith is crafted
11-20-2011, 06:22 PM
Whirlzap

Wha-what...
Look at the Enchanted-Demonic increases.
Now look at Demonic-Lilith stat increases.
From Enchanted to Demonic, the stat increased a little:/
From Demonic to Lilith, the stat increased ALOT.
11-20-2011, 06:25 PM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaunab

Off topic: You were looking for this robe. Have you bought it from someone who got it before the weekend or did it drop to you/ a mate of yours recently..?

Since nothing dropped, I had to buy it from someone. Don't ask me for how much I bought it for though, it was way overpriced for a robe. But I just HAD to finish my set somehow LOL :D
11-20-2011, 06:25 PM
Paar

I like How Neat and Organized You do things Jay! Very Good Job(: *Claps* Great Comparrison I like how theres alot more armor and Dmg!
11-20-2011, 06:27 PM
Gaunab

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cytokinesis

Lilith is crafted

I know, but therefor it requires a lvl65 lilith robe. Jay posted a thread that He was looking for one.
Im just asking out of curiosity, since i havent seen any lvl65 pinks this Weekend. If it was dropped recently, that would at least prove that there ARE still chances of getting pinks :)
11-20-2011, 06:29 PM
Gaunab

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaytB

Since nothing dropped, I had to buy it from someone. Don't ask me for how much I bought it for though, it was way overpriced for a robe. But I just HAD to finish my set somehow LOL :D

Thanks for the answer, even if that wasn't what I was hoping for... :)

(excuse double-posting pls)
11-20-2011, 06:33 PM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paar

I like How Neat and Organized You do things Jay! Very Good Job(: *Claps* Great Comparrison I like how theres alot more armor and Dmg!

Thanks! Appreciate it :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaunab

Thanks for the answer, even if that wasn't what I was hoping for... :)

(excuse double-posting pls)

I know what you mean, no changes in drop rates yet, but as stated in the other thread devs will definitely get back to us about it :)
11-20-2011, 06:39 PM
Irulelol

Someone needs to do this with dex demonic and new sets to convince some peole to get rid of there demonic stuff at cheaper prices XD
11-20-2011, 06:41 PM
Cytokinesis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irulelol

Someone needs to do this with dex demonic and new sets to convince some peole to get rid of there demonic stuff at cheaper prices XD

lmao ikr? :)
11-20-2011, 06:48 PM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irulelol

Someone needs to do this with dex demonic and new sets to convince some peole to get rid of there demonic stuff at cheaper prices XD

If you could borrow me one, I'd do it ;)
11-20-2011, 09:13 PM
Yvonnel

Thanks JaytB! I bet you knocked a big dent in your wallet too!!!!!
11-20-2011, 09:37 PM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yvonnel

Thanks JaytB! I bet you knocked a big dent in your wallet too!!!!!

Well... Anything for the community.. (or my impatience LOL :D )
11-20-2011, 09:40 PM
Elitephonix

Wow Looks like mages will rule lev 65 pvp
And I think the crafted lev 65 is better but demonics looks much cooler
11-20-2011, 10:52 PM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elitephonix

Wow Looks like mages will rule lev 65 pvp
And I think the crafted lev 65 is better but demonics looks much cooler

Well, couldn't sleep very well so decided to try it in PvP. I consider myself not really good with mage, since I'm used to PvP with my bird. But wow, I beat some very good players from different classes. So that must mean it's good :)
11-20-2011, 11:35 PM
Walkhardd

Thanks for the comparison! I think its going to be very hard to top the looks of demonic..but with vanity set, it looks pretty sweet! And over 200 armor looks like I can go back to pure int :)
11-20-2011, 11:47 PM
jiroununu

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaytB

Well, couldn't sleep very well so decided to try it in PvP. I consider myself not
really good with mage, since I'm used to PvP with my bird. But wow, I beat some very good players from different classes. So that must mean it's good :)

Im not sure how this set against bear in pvp. Because with crafted orlak set I have 60dodge and 70crit buffed. I vote warbird will still have overal advantage against any class with crafted orlak set.
Btw what's the weapon proc of that wand? And what about Lilith staff?
11-21-2011, 12:06 AM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiroununu

Im not sure how this set against bear in pvp. Because with crafted orlak set I have 60dodge and 70crit buffed. I vote warbird will still have overal advantage against any class with crafted orlak set.
Btw what's the weapon proc of that wand? And what about Lilith staff?

Warbirds are always tough cookies lol. Have only fought one in demonic, and could win that fairly easy. Just took some time.

As for the proc, it procs nightmare with weakness. This helps getting armor and dodge down. Would love to try it out on an Orlok warbird though :)
11-21-2011, 12:32 AM
jiroununu

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...3/8ce4654a.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...3/415e53b8.jpg

Enjoy
11-21-2011, 12:34 AM
jiroununu

Btw I equipped a 2crit 10damage ring in the pics
11-21-2011, 04:22 AM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiroununu

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...3/8ce4654a.jpg

http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/...3/415e53b8.jpg

Enjoy

Thanks for the pics! Love stats lol :)

And wow, that might be a tough cookie to crack with my mage, especially on a warbird IMO.

Would you mind telling me you min-max stomp dmg?
11-21-2011, 04:33 AM
WhoIsThis

Overall, the stats seem to be moving in the direction of each set getting more specialized.

It's a good decision. Less stats wasted on useless H/S, more on useful M/S. Improvements in crit and damage, along with armor.

On the str set, the emphasis is strictly on survivability and the improvement overall is less than that of the int set. Probably needed as the str set was a bit OP in 60-61. I fear though that the int set maybe a bit OP relative to the others. Time will tell.
11-21-2011, 04:56 AM
Tetraeder

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaunab

Nice comparison :)

Off topic: You were looking for this robe. Have you bought it from someone who got it before the weekend or did it drop to you/ a mate of yours recently..?

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaytB

Since nothing dropped, I had to buy it from someone. Don't ask me for how much I bought it for though, it was way overpriced for a robe. But I just HAD to finish my set somehow LOL :D

Hey it was not "overpriced", the price was fair (hehe) because it is a super rare robe.
The robe dropped yesterday (I dont saw it myself).

Thanks JaytB, for your work to the community :-)
11-21-2011, 05:51 AM
jiroununu

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaytB

Thanks for the pics! Love stats lol :)

And wow, that might be a tough cookie to crack with my mage, especially on a warbird IMO.

Would you mind telling me you min-max stomp dmg?

Stomp damage 304-325
11-21-2011, 09:06 AM
Pakax

Thanks Jay - much appreciated.

Would love to see the demonic stats on a 66 mage to compare apples to apples tho (that is, if you still have your demonic gear...)
11-21-2011, 12:25 PM
cajunqueen

At least the lillith set put stockings on the legs...LOL....don't like the "short" robe for those of us who are modest....
Nice stats on the crafted set...just need the pinks to drop so I can start crafting!!!
Thanks J !
11-21-2011, 12:29 PM
Whirlzap

Warbirds are easy with STAFF pure mages.
There's no point in defending against them unless you're a pally yourself.
11-21-2011, 12:36 PM
JaytB

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiroununu

Stomp damage 304-325

Thanks! Exactly what I wanted to know. Seems skill dmg has improved for bears. Together with the fairly high crit, looks like a great amount of extra dmg can be dealt with current str gear :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pakax

Thanks Jay - much appreciated.

Would love to see the demonic stats on a 66 mage to compare apples to apples tho (that is, if you still have your demonic gear...)

Sorry, don't have my demonic set anymore. I'll see if someone in my guild still has a set that I could try :)
11-21-2011, 07:33 PM
JaytB

I went ahead and got the Lilith staff to complete the entire set.

I'll post the detailed comparison tomorrow or so (getting late here), but I wanted to share the main differences with demonic already :)

Demonic staff set:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/60d46b77.jpg

Crafted Lilith staff set:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/...1/48d67cf9.jpg

Main differences in stats crafted Lilith vs Demonic:

+10% crit, +28 health pool, -1 H/s, +7 M/s, +33-44 dmg (min-max), +61 dps, +14 armor, +24-30 skill dmg (min-max)