Skull dozer axe

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11-05-2019, 12:25 PM
danialazhad63

Skull dozer axe

The proc damage in mogera really bad like not effecting the mobs much...and also on the other maps ....proc rate quite low

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11-05-2019, 08:58 PM
Crocodile

U need to buy at least 5k pots before go into that crypt XD

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11-05-2019, 10:29 PM
SlaveKnight

Well, I bought the weapon yesterday and I’ll give my opinion:

- The proc rate is waaay too low, Devs should at least double the proc rate.

- The damage is waaaay too low in PvE and PvP, I hope they increase it a lot because the proc itsel isnt able to kill a simple mob.

- I saw any defensive buff when the proc is active

- The proc area of effect seems to be a bit small but idk...

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11-06-2019, 12:33 AM
danialazhad63

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Originally Posted by Crocodile

U need to buy at least 5k pots before go into that crypt XD

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What pots?

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11-06-2019, 04:11 AM
Marosok

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

The proc damage in mogera really bad like not effecting the mobs much...and also on the other maps ....proc rate quite low

https://youtu.be/yuXcHGj3O5A

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Futumsh already said minimum 2x publicly, that they will look on new arcane weapons. No need to create xy threads about same thing.

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Originally Posted by SlaveKnight

Well, I bought the weapon yesterday and I’ll give my opinion:

- The proc rate is waaay too low, Devs should at least double the proc rate.

- The damage is waaaay too low in PvE and PvP, I hope they increase it a lot because the proc itsel isnt able to kill a simple mob.

- I saw any defensive buff when the proc is active

- The proc area of effect seems to be a bit small but idk...

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For PvE i disagree
* Proc rate in PvE is decent.
* Damage from proc in PvE is greater than from ebon sword + now proc damages multiple targets.
* Futumsh said, that buff is not player-visible stat, but it is there.
+ Only thing i agree with you is range, should be a bit greater.

EDIT PvP:
I do not play PvP, can´t say much about it, but seeing sword performance in PvP match your findings.
11-06-2019, 05:19 AM
danialazhad63

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Originally Posted by Marosok

Futumsh already said minimum 2x publicaly, that they will look on new arcane weapons. No need to create xy threads about same thing.

For PvE i disagree
* Proc rate in PvE is decent.
* Damage from proc in PvE is greater than from ebon sword + now proc damages multiple targets.
* Futumsh said, that buff is not player-visible stat, but it is there.
+ Only thing i agree with you is range, should be a bit greater.

EDIT PvP:
I do not play PvP, can´t say much about it, but seeing sword performance in PvP match your findings.

I tried solo in valley frontier ....almost took me more than 25minutes...How u call that op?

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11-06-2019, 06:05 AM
Marosok

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

I tried solo in valley frontier ....almost took me more than 25minutes...How u call that op?

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I won´t continue in this. My english is not best, but i am sure i did not say it is OP. You want something better, and i say: explore warrior class a little more...

EDIT: I see problem in skills, STS should look on damage output and cd, so warrior won´t relly on single thing in PvE (proc), but this is another story.
11-06-2019, 06:19 AM
will0

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

I tried solo in valley frontier ....almost took me more than 25minutes...How u call that op?

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honestly if warrior is a dps class you wont need other class like rouge and mage... if you really want so much damage keep using ebon sword at least sts dont nerf it like DS and balance staff or flame staff ...

mages still using old weapon in pve i have 3 staff for example....
11-06-2019, 06:21 AM
danialazhad63

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Originally Posted by Marosok

I won´t continue in this. My english is not best, but i am sure i did not said it is OP. You want something better, and i say: explore warrior class a little more...

EDIT: I see problem in skills, STS should look on damage output and cd, so warrior won´t relly on single thing in PvE (proc), but this is another story.

Hmm whatever...gonna sell that sword...no more hope ....

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11-06-2019, 06:31 AM
danialazhad63

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Originally Posted by will0

honestly if warrior is a dps class you wont need other class like rouge and mage... if you really want so much damage keep using ebon sword at least sts dont nerf it like DS and balance staff or flame staff ...

mages still using old weapon in pve .. dont whine

So solo mode only for rogue/mage?

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11-06-2019, 06:42 AM
will0

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

So solo mode only for rogue/mage?

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are you meant to be a solo class ? or is the map meant to be solo ? you should ask yourself you know the answer already ..

thats why so many times warrior with ebon sword dont even wait for rogue and mages in maus and they just ran off soloing ...
11-06-2019, 06:50 AM
danialazhad63

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Originally Posted by will0

are you meant to be a solo class ? or is the map meant to be solo ? you should ask yourself you know the answer already ..

thats why so many times warrior with ebon sword dont even wait for rogue and mages in maus and they just ran off soloing ...

I mean solo mode like valley frontier,swamp tample and etc.....from what i see..mostly rogue now dont really need a warrior...they got 7k+ dps,10k+ health,6k+ armor...

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11-06-2019, 07:00 AM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

I mean solo mode like valley frontier,swamp tample and etc...

all valley maps warrior enough good soloing with 71 arcanes and tb, swamp temple as i remember warriors got the highest pts (solo)

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

they got 7k+ dps

dps is useless stat and doesnt show anything

here is something for you:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marosok

You want something better, and i say: explore warrior class a little more...
11-06-2019, 07:02 AM
danialazhad63

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

all valley maps warrior enough good soloing with 71 arcanes and tb, swamp temple as i remember warriors got the highest pts (solo)

dps is useless stat and doesnt show anything

here is something for you:

Nvm....all doesn't matter anymore..Im quitting from warrior...i want to build either mage or rogue

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11-06-2019, 07:32 AM
Encryptions

Quote:

Originally Posted by danialazhad63

Nvm....all doesn't matter anymore..Im quitting from warrior...i want to build either mage or rogue

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Rogue is the most expensive class because of the damage it can do.
11-06-2019, 07:43 AM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by danialazhad63

i want to build either mage or rogue

dont forget to share your feelings on rogue when u make some runs in party with some useless DPS warriors ;)
11-06-2019, 08:12 AM
Jairus980

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

dont forget to share your feelings on rogue when u make some runs in party with some useless DPS warriors ;)

Im a dps (not vengful skill but i have 4k dps through gears) war but i can also tank. tsk
idk what kind of "dps war" you're describing but please enlighten me in terms of gears, pet and skill.
11-06-2019, 08:33 AM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by Jairus980

Im a dps (not vengful skill but i have 4k dps through gears) war but i can also tank. tsk
idk what kind of "dps war" you're describing but please enlighten me in terms of gears, pet and skill.

describing those who cant and dont want to tank
11-06-2019, 09:05 AM
arcanefid

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

all valley maps warrior enough good soloing with 71 arcanes and tb, swamp temple as i remember warriors got the highest pts (solo)

dps is useless stat and doesnt show anything

here is something for you:

In the map with 5 waves, the boss with the machine, I think it’s called Skull Dozer; he doesn’t do any damage in solo mode and it took me like 15 mins to kill him. There’s no point in running that map solo for tanks.
11-06-2019, 10:07 AM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

he doesn’t do any damage in solo mode

tried solo on rogue, that boss almost 1hit me every his red zone,
if it doesnt do any damage to warrior, welcome here: https://www.spacetimestudios.com/for...ssues-and-Bugs

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

it took me like 15 mins to kill him

i'm sure with ebon sword warrior will that boss solo less than 2min, u know mages and rogues using 2+ weapons also, not only one (as you tried)

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

There’s no point in running that map solo for tanks.

There is no point in running that map at all

maybe finally somebody can answer my question? what will be point playing rogue/mage, if warrior (as immortal pve class) can finish map solo in same time as rog/mag

just wanted to add this specially for you, Fid:

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

The proc overlapping has been happening since the game existed and I'm sure we've all been abusing that thing for years in one way or another:P Maybe STS should try and fix that? But I wonder why none of us has reported that before? Maybe it's because we secretly like it? :P

dont need to pretend being stupid now, ok? haha
11-06-2019, 11:01 AM
conat

What we know about that weapon is that its process does the same dmg as an ebon sword or less.
I tested the weapon in fester and I do the same dmg as with the ebon sword, in mogera lair it is more than 20 minutes to pass the map, my damage is around 4.2k, my dps around 4.4k.

I can not notice an advantage in the proc Admittedly, the weapon is really bad.

thanks all for watch this post.
11-06-2019, 11:34 AM
Fearrr

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

maybe finally somebody can answer my question? what will be point playing rogue/mage, if warrior (as immortal pve class) can finish map solo in same time as rog/mage

Maybe a way to prevent that immortality is removing the Quickness Passive and adding something similar like the Legendary Dusk Sword Proc where it gives x amount of % Damage but we also lose x amount of % Armor. And if Wars want to use this Passive Jugg gets disabled also. That should be the tradeoff if a War wants the option to go Full Dps. Just my thoughts.

Didn't mean to go off topic from OP.
11-06-2019, 11:46 AM
arcanefid

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

tried solo on rogue, that boss almost 1hit me every his red zone,
if it doesnt do any damage to warrior, welcome here: https://www.spacetimestudios.com/for...ssues-and-Bugs

i'm sure with ebon sword warrior will that boss solo less than 2min, u know mages and rogues using 2+ weapons also, not only one (as you tried)

There is no point in running that map at all

maybe finally somebody can answer my question? what will be point playing rogue/mage, if warrior (as immortal pve class) can finish map solo in same time as rog/mag

just wanted to add this specially for you, Fid:
dont need to pretend being stupid now, ok? haha

Yeah, alright, let's forget the overlaps and all the other arcane weapons and classes, I'm not here to say that we have to be fast killers like Rogue or Mage. This thread is about Skull Dozer Axe, and as it is right now, it is worse than most recent Arcane Weapons and it needs a fix.

I am sure that many tanks who own or plan to own the weapon in the future, maybe they won't have the resources to own all other arcane weapons and swap between them, so the newest Arcane weapon being worse than most of the older ones doesn't make any sense.

Devs already said that they will balance the weapons in the future, so I am not really going to argue whether they should do it or not, but we have to try and come up with ideas and suggestions on what needs to change.

Edit: Personally I don't have any suggestions right now, that's why I am not saying anything. XD
11-06-2019, 11:57 AM
urmosvk

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

Yeah, alright, let's forget the overlaps and all the other arcane weapons and classes, I'm not here to say that we have to be fast killers like Rogue or Mage. This thread is about Skull Dozer Axe, and as it is right now, it is worse than most recent Arcane Weapons and it needs a fix.

I am sure that many tanks who own or plan to own the weapon in the future, maybe they won't have the resources to own all other arcane weapons and swap between them, so the newest Arcane weapon being worse than most of the older ones doesn't make any sense.

Devs already said that they will balance the weapons in the future, so I am not really going to argue whether they should do it or not, but we have to try and come up with ideas and suggestions on what needs to change.

Edit: Personally I don't have any suggestions right now, that's why I am not saying anything. XD

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11-06-2019, 12:39 PM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

Yeah, alright, let's forget the overlaps and all the other arcane weapons and classes

no sir, lets not forget overlaps :D i just tried vs one expierenced warrior ONLY with ebon sword. One his proc deals me more than 50% of my hp (ignoring my armor and can be countered only by glowstik - one time per 27sec, or how much glow cd) + it reduces my damage from 135% to 75% (so in fact its almost 50% real dmgReduce, also my selfheal depends on my damage) + slowing me (what makes me unable to reach my heal packs + his axe), and he can proc it indefinetely. His gears much cheaper than my (and awakes/jewels worse than my) and we finish it as tie (only because i have more prepared pets and he doesnt have mana pet), if u want tell me im just nub, no, its me who teached him, he just poor and cant afford more weapons, now imagine he get proc and switch to new sword for more damage by ebon sword proc (and then to ebon aegis so i cant heal myself even by pierser)... so ebon sword proc will almost kill me? just 1 proc haha. yea ebon aegis nerfed and nub warriors cant get cheap kills anymore, but sword wasnt nerfed and still too op and good warriors farming rogues easily (even without using some broken pets like venim), ah i forgot to add there stacking %damage from Vengeful Blood :) ( and my dodge doesnt so help against autoattacks as should be, he can get ebon sword proc one by one without any cooldown)

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

Devs already said that they will balance the weapons in the future

haha yes yes, and my ebon daggers proc working against me, it just gives him free mana by his VB (same as razor "SHIELDDD") and when i use heal, it gives me 2x less %hp (because ebon dagg proc increases my hp in 2times but selfheal depends on my damage which isnt increased as hp), so if i get ebon daggers proc and he proc his ebon sword on me, my own heal (not packs) loosing effectiveness almost in 3,5 times

(i tried ebon bow and new bow also, both sucks in pvp)

great balance :) shameless warriors still crying about their "weakness" in pvp

well, even if im so nub vs warriors, maybe u saw that warrior in festerfang arena, who kill everything just by vb + 1-2 skills (or even without vb); (i tried with 2 dmg reduce elixirs + all possible buffs + i have great armor and hp, result same, saw rogues in full sets, they die same ways vs him); everything still balanced? lol
11-06-2019, 12:53 PM
arcanefid

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

no sir, lets not forget overlaps :D i just tried vs one expierenced warrior ONLY with ebon sword. One his proc deals me more than 50% of my hp (ignoring my armor and can be countered only by glowstik - one time per 27sec, or how much glow cd) + it reduces my damage from 135% to 75% (so in fact its almost 50% real dmgReduce, also my selfheal depends on my damage) + slowing me (what makes me unable to reach my heal packs + his axe), and he can proc it indefinetely. His gears much cheaper than my (and awakes/jewels worse than my) and we finish it as tie (only because i have more prepared pets and he doesnt have mana pet), if u want tell me im just nub, no, its me who teached him, he just poor and cant afford more weapons, now imagine he get proc and switch to new sword for more damage by ebon sword proc (and then to ebon aegis so i cant heal myself even by pierser)... so ebon sword proc will almost kill me? just 1 proc haha. yea ebon aegis nerfed and nub warriors cant get cheap kills anymore, but sword wasnt nerfed and still too op and good warriors farming rogues easily (even without using some broken pets like venim), ah i forgot to add there stacking %damage from Vengeful Blood :) ( and my dodge doesnt so help against autoattacks as should be, he can get ebon sword proc one by one without any cooldown)

haha yes yes, and my ebon daggers proc working against me, it just gives him free mana by his VB (same as razor "SHIELDDD") and when i use heal, it gives me 2x less %hp (because ebon dagg proc increases my hp in 2times but selfheal depends on my damage), so if i get ebon daggers proc and he proc his ebon sword on me, my own heal (not packs) loosing effectiveness almost in 3,5 times

(i tried ebon bow and new bow also, both sucks in pvp)

great balance :) shameless warriors still crying about their "weakness" in pvp

well, even if im so nub vs warriors, maybe u saw that warrior in festerfang arena, who kill everything just by vb + 1-2 skills (or even without vb); (i tried with 2 dmg reduce elixirs + all possible buffs + i have great armor and hp, result same, saw rogues in full sets, they die same ways vs him); everything still balanced? lol

I am not saying that warriors have any "weakness" in PvP, or that Ebon is weak, or that Rogues are OP, or anything against your post, what you're saying is all fine. But, I am just here to discuss the Skull Dozer alone, and it's crap.

Just because Ebon Sword is doing well in a PvP duel, doesn't mean that we should ignore how Skull Dozer Axe does in PvE and PvP.
11-06-2019, 12:53 PM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

I am not saying that warriors have any "weakness" in PvP, or that Ebon is weak, or that Rogues are OP, or anything against your post, what you're saying is all fine. But, I am just here to discuss the Skull Dozer alone, and it's crap.

Just because Ebon Sword is doing well in a PvP duel, doesn't mean that we should ignore how Skull Dozer Axe does in PvE and PvP.

why i've talked only about pvp and started it about overlaps? because 2 nub warriors in this thread "tested" new sword in pvp and said it sucks, but if use overlap with ebon proc, and if new sword will have strong proc - imagine it? and nobody talked about nerfing old sword tho. haha, they pretend that they will use only one weapon for everything, but we all know how it will be :)
11-06-2019, 12:56 PM
angeloiloveyou

Now warior won i see the 76 axe now with new proc flame aura in fest outpost i think its a buff, now i think balance now is finaly more broken. Sad
11-06-2019, 12:58 PM
arcanefid

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Originally Posted by slaaayerrr

why i've talked only about pvp and started it about overlaps? because 2 nub warriors in this thread "tested" new sword in pvp and said it sucks, but if use overlap with ebon proc, and if new sword will have strong proc - imagine it?

Oh lol, I didn't even see those posts. >_>

Anyway, overlaps are something STS should check and take care of, but I will not be the one to start talking about. ;3
11-06-2019, 12:59 PM
slaaayerrr

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Originally Posted by arcanefid

but I will not be the one to start talking about. ;3

same :D so better just leave new sword as it is (and nerf ebon ofc)
12-11-2019, 09:57 AM
Dreamwalker

Well maybe if sts make ultimate str skill stack with skull dozer or all dot weap proc it will be a lot better lol ^^

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12-15-2019, 01:42 PM
SlaveKnight

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Originally Posted by Hulkkys

And balance dmg for war at this point it is irrelevant to tank when a pt need to make high dmg to kill for example the valley bosses. Mage have decent dmg and their weapons like ds/ skracht help a lot and for rogue besides its high dmg bows like ebon or duggar are the best. Talking wars... even high stats you cant even do more than 10k with one skill and weapons like ebon aegis nerfed recently do not do much dmg to valley bosses, skull dozer neither just to help to clean mobs but not worthy. Hope ppl can understand that and support cuz we all need to help each other and not leaving a map just cuz you saw a war, that i understand you will make you be slower to finish the map if he is not that op as few war players.

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Yeah, the problem it’s because everyone leave the map if there are 2 warriors... But if there are 2 rogues it’s like: “yeah, now I’ll have a good run”, but some players just can’t accept this true

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12-15-2019, 02:23 PM
Xyv.io

They should make it do 5000 damage per tick
12-15-2019, 05:28 PM
TheBlairWitch

Procs on weapons are very low, like ebon bow, sometimes it dosnt proc or only like 2 times