We want a plat sale! nah nah nah nah

Please STS can we have a plat sale sometime after the release of Humania? post thoughts below

My thought is that's exactly the same as this thread -.-
http://www.spacetimestudios.com/showthread.php?t=60462

Why on earth would they do that..?

It doesn't require someone to be a mastermind to realize that campaign releases are the "go seasons" for platinum purchases (plat = elixirs) and businesswise it would be ridiculously bad call to lower prices at the moment when people consume platinum no matter if it is on sale or not.

STS doesn't do charity work for us, they do have to get a living out of their games.

All Legends' games are F2P, u should be happy for it already.

+1 for originality!

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Originally Posted by dudetus

Why on earth would they do that..?

It doesn't require someone to be a mastermind to realize that campaign releases are the "go seasons" for platinum purchases (plat = elixirs) and businesswise it would be ridiculously bad call to lower prices at the moment when people consume platinum no matter if it is on sale or not.

STS doesn't do charity work for us, they do have to get a living out of their games.

All Legends' games are F2P, u should be happy for it already.

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i didnt say the day after -_-

just a few months sometime before NEXT cap.

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Originally Posted by Rauekat

i didnt say the day after -_-

just a few months sometime before NEXT cap.

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Thats a given lol. I'm just going to sit this one out.

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Originally Posted by Rauekat

i didnt say the day after -_-

just a few months sometime before NEXT cap.

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I doubt that.

Plat sales came to PL only because there was a huge lack of players and that plat sale (alongside with double weekends) were sort of "promo" to keep players interested in farming and playing.

Plat sales come if Humania is the latest campaign for >6 months.

Actually would make people buy more platinum.

I mean...
Plat sale+ new campaign+ new vanities+ new platinum items= tempted to buy more plat.

they spend months working on a new campaign and get paid by platinum sales. I doubt a platinum sale is in order, or if so, a very marginal sale.

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Originally Posted by Whirlzap

Actually would make people buy more platinum.

I mean...
Plat sale+ new campaign+ new vanities+ new platinum items= tempted to buy more plat.

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exactly
doesnt have to be 50% off or something crazy just maybe 10 or 20% off

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Originally Posted by Whirlzap

Actually would make people buy more platinum.

I mean...
Plat sale+ new campaign+ new vanities+ new platinum items= tempted to buy more plat.

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Originally Posted by Rauekat

exactly
doesnt have to be 50% off or something crazy just maybe 10 or 20% off

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Got to run but here's a nice link for ya about a marvelous thing called price elasticity of demand.

Some basic economics

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Originally Posted by dudetus

Got to run but here's a nice link for ya about a marvelous thing called price elasticity of demand.

Some basic economics

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lol u hate on this thread and not other one anyways u some type of economics specialist? lol

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Originally Posted by Rauekat:680967

lol u hate on this thread and not other one anyways u some type of economics specialist? lol

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No I am not an econimics specialist, I am an econimics student. Will be a specialist in ~8 years.

I can translate that long article for ya in words u can comprehend.

If the discount is not going to make profit, it is useless to make a discount.

The ones who regularly buy platinum will most likely buy 2k plat pack and that's it. 2k plats is almost enough to lvl 3 toons to elite cap with trashers so there has to be quite a few new platinum consumers.

So using that equation out of that wikipedia article (the basic equation) if prices r lowered with 20% there should be >20% more consuming than there would be without the big platinum sale.

As I said, most platinum buying players will buy that single 2k plat pack regardless of the sales and therefore there should be whole lotta new consumers. Which is IMO unrealistic.

This all is in theory because we cannot rly have the actual platinum buying rates and we cannot procedure those two different scenarios at once.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

I doubt that.

Plat sales came to PL only because there was a huge lack of players and that plat sale (alongside with double weekends) were sort of "promo" to keep players interested in farming and playing.

Plat sales come if Humania is the latest campaign for >6 months.

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If this is true we should just act non-interested in the game so they give us a platinum sale!

Plat sale? Were already given half off elixers :/

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Originally Posted by dudetus

No I am not an econimics specialist, I am an econimics student. Will be a specialist in ~8 years.

I can translate that long article for ya in words u can comprehend.

If the discount is not going to make profit, it is useless to make a discount.

The ones who regularly buy platinum will most likely buy 2k plat pack and that's it. 2k plats is almost enough to lvl 3 toons to elite cap with trashers so there has to be quite a few new platinum consumers.

So using that equation out of that wikipedia article (the basic equation) if prices r lowered with 20% there should be >20% more consuming than there would be without the big platinum sale.

As I said, most platinum buying players will buy that single 2k plat pack regardless of the sales and therefore there should be whole lotta new consumers. Which is IMO unrealistic.

This all is in theory because we cannot rly have the actual platinum buying rates and we cannot procedure those two different scenarios at once.

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ya i understand that most plat buyers dont care will buy anyway. but like me i usually only buy during plat sales and i bet other ppl do also who are short on cash.

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Originally Posted by Swimmingstar

If this is true we should just act non-interested in the game so they give us a platinum sale!

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ikr lol :P

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Originally Posted by Rauekat

ya i understand that most plat buyers dont care will buy anyway. but like me i usually only buy during plat sales and i bet other ppl do also who are short on cash.

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Okay all cool.

Sry, I am not raging even though it might seem so. As I am studying economics it just felt like I had a word to say lol.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to have a plat sale as well but it seems so unlikely in businesswise.

That's why I bought 8k plat for $240 last time

Now that they had one sale everyone is begging for another, just be glad they brought back the 2k option

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Originally Posted by dudetus

Okay all cool.

Sry, I am not raging even though it might seem so. As I am studying economics it just felt like I had a word to say lol.

Don't get me wrong, I would like to have a plat sale as well but it seems so unlikely in businesswise.

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ik it all depends on increase of sales and what they decreased the cost by ty for clearing it up for me :) ik lol everybody has a word to say :P

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Originally Posted by dudetus

No I am not an econimics specialist, I am an econimics student. Will be a specialist in ~8 years.

I can translate that long article for ya in words u can comprehend.

If the discount is not going to make profit, it is useless to make a discount.

The ones who regularly buy platinum will most likely buy 2k plat pack and that's it. 2k plats is almost enough to lvl 3 toons to elite cap with trashers so there has to be quite a few new platinum consumers.

So using that equation out of that wikipedia article (the basic equation) if prices r lowered with 20% there should be >20% more consuming than there would be without the big platinum sale.

As I said, most platinum buying players will buy that single 2k plat pack regardless of the sales and therefore there should be whole lotta new consumers. Which is IMO unrealistic.

This all is in theory because we cannot rly have the actual platinum buying rates and we cannot procedure those two different scenarios at once.

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I think assuming the average plat buyer will get a 2k pack is absurd, only a small few will purchase that.

You can't even bring real life economics into this because the supply is endless, platinum is a piece of code, not a commodity or something that is produced. It is profit regardless of the price it's set at.

That being said, I can almost guarantee there won't be a plat sale anytime soon, mostly because with players hungry for new content they will purchase platinum regardless of a sale. STS will have a sale when there is a noticeable drop off in high level play, in order to coax those players to return to the game.

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Originally Posted by Drizzid

I think assuming the average plat buyer will get a 2k pack is absurd, only a small few will purchase that.

You can't even bring real life economics into this because the supply is endless, platinum is a piece of code, not a commodity or something that is produced. It is profit regardless of the price it's set at.

That being said, I can almost guarantee there won't be a plat sale anytime soon, mostly because with players hungry for new content they will purchase platinum regardless of a sale. STS will have a sale when there is a noticeable drop off in high level play, in order to coax those players to return to the game.

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I thought I could leave this thread behind but I've been dragged from my White Castle (long live TWK!) to prove myself right.

Even though the 2k for 1 player is absurd, the base values itself are irrelevant since the aftermath only needs the theoretical differences between the sells without sales and with the sales. As the equation (and most parts of the theory) are completely theoretical they do have a theoretical meaning no matter about what is the content.

I haven't even bought 1k plat in two years>.>
Wat.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

Why on earth would they do that..?

It doesn't require someone to be a mastermind to realize that campaign releases are the "go seasons" for platinum purchases (plat = elixirs) and businesswise it would be ridiculously bad call to lower prices at the moment when people consume platinum no matter if it is on sale or not.

STS doesn't do charity work for us, they do have to get a living out of their games.

All Legends' games are F2P, u should be happy for it already.

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Actually... They would make MORE money because almost everyone will be buying plat WAY more than usual.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

No I am not an econimics specialist, I am an econimics student. Will be a specialist in ~8 years.

I can translate that long article for ya in words u can comprehend.

If the discount is not going to make profit, it is useless to make a discount.

The ones who regularly buy platinum will most likely buy 2k plat pack and that's it. 2k plats is almost enough to lvl 3 toons to elite cap with trashers so there has to be quite a few new platinum consumers.

So using that equation out of that wikipedia article (the basic equation) if prices r lowered with 20% there should be >20% more consuming than there would be without the big platinum sale.

As I said, most platinum buying players will buy that single 2k plat pack regardless of the sales and therefore there should be whole lotta new consumers. Which is IMO unrealistic.

This all is in theory because we cannot rly have the actual platinum buying rates and we cannot procedure those two different scenarios at once.

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Very well put. Bravo!

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Originally Posted by Paladinslaya

Actually... They would make MORE money because almost everyone will be buying plat WAY more than usual.

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I give up.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

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Originally Posted by Paladinslaya

Actually... They would make MORE money because almost everyone will be buying plat WAY more than usual.

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I give up.

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Lololol
;D
Obviously the solution here is that I steal everyone's plat than turn it into magic powder and sprinkle it over one of the few volcanuts creating massive eruptions all over Alterra bringing the dinosaurs back to life, which conveniently give 5000 xp per kill!!!!!
And have a 201% pink drop rate of humania items( ur guaranteed 2 pinks with a 1% chance for a third(plz don't cry the 1 is too rare)) then we all party in peaceful Alterra.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

Why on earth would they do that..?

It doesn't require someone to be a mastermind to realize that campaign releases are the "go seasons" for platinum purchases (plat = elixirs) and businesswise it would be ridiculously bad call to lower prices at the moment when people consume platinum no matter if it is on sale or not.

STS doesn't do charity work for us, they do have to get a living out of their games.

All Legends' games are F2P, u should be happy for it already.

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Bad business it is, then. DL just updated with a plat sale. :-)

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Originally Posted by Deathpunch

Bad business it is, then. DL just updated with a plat sale. :-)

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I personally do not have a clue about regular DL plat purchasing since I do not play it that much (last time I logged was two months ago).

It might work there, but it doesn't change the fact that it probably wouldn't have been effective in PL since it wasn't done.

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Originally Posted by dudetus

Why on earth would they do that..?

It doesn't require someone to be a mastermind to realize that campaign releases are the "go seasons" for platinum purchases (plat = elixirs) and businesswise it would be ridiculously bad call to lower prices at the moment when people consume platinum no matter if it is on sale or not.

STS doesn't do charity work for us, they do have to get a living out of their games.

All Legends' games are F2P, u should be happy for it already.

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Bad business it is, then. DL just updated with a plat sale. :-)

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DL plat costs more to start with anyways, the better make it a permanent sale for that

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Originally Posted by Elyseon

DL plat costs more to start with anyways, the better make it a permanent sale for that

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Lol, you're right about that. The "sale" makes it about the price of the other two games.

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Originally Posted by Paladinslaya

Actually... They would make MORE money because almost everyone will be buying plat WAY more than usual.

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You sir have completely missed the entire point that dudetus was making.

To make things easy, lets say 1 plat = $1. Let's say I will purchase 10 plat for 10 dollars even if there wasn't a plat sale.

Now, if there were a plat sale, making 1 plat $0.50, Maybe I would want to buy more, say 15 plat. The problem is now STS is only making $7.50 on that 15 plat instead of the $10 I would have spent.

Let's say I am really motivated and buy 20 plat, now they've sold me 20 plat for $10 instead of 10 plat for $10. The issue here is because I have more plat now, it will be longer before I buy more plat in the future, basically cannibalizing their future sales.

Obviously, you can play around with the numbers, like what kind of discount they would want to provide. Maybe it won't be 50%, but as the percentage discount goes down, there will also be less incentive for me to buy more plat.

That isn't even the big issue though. The biggest issue is that there is enough demand for plat right now at current prices that any discount they give would have a greater negative impact by lowering the amount of profit they would get from the plat sales that will happen regardless of if there is a plat sale, than the benefit STS would see from additional plat sales.

The funny thing is, the people who understand this (like dudetus and some other people) already know this, and the people who don't will probably still not understand what I've just typed above.

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Originally Posted by kiitz

You sir have completely missed the entire point that dudetus was making.

To make things easy, lets say 1 plat = $1. Let's say I will purchase 10 plat for 10 dollars even if there wasn't a plat sale.

Now, if there were a plat sale, making 1 plat $0.50, Maybe I would want to buy more, say 15 plat. The problem is now STS is only making $7.50 on that 15 plat instead of the $10 I would have spent.

Let's say I am really motivated and buy 20 plat, now they've sold me 20 plat for $10 instead of 10 plat for $10. The issue here is because I have more plat now, it will be longer before I buy more plat in the future, basically cannibalizing their future sales.

Obviously, you can play around with the numbers, like what kind of discount they would want to provide. Maybe it won't be 50%, but as the percentage discount goes down, there will also be less incentive for me to buy more plat.

That isn't even the big issue though. The biggest issue is that there is enough demand for plat right now at current prices that any discount they give would have a greater negative impact by lowering the amount of profit they would get from the plat sales that will happen regardless of if there is a plat sale, than the benefit STS would see from additional plat sales.

The funny thing is, the people who understand this (like dudetus and some other people) already know this, and the people who don't will probably still not understand what I've just typed above.

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Yup, ty for covering my back haha :D