the game needs less loot percentage

I know it's weird to say it like that (wanting less percentages) but unlike other players I prefer a thousand times to have 1 vanity with little probability of being looted to a vanity that ends in 10k gold
Many cry when they say that a weapon costs them a lot to get it in platinum but that is the sense of the game, if it has high loot it would end in 10m in 1 month the vanities do not even say there is so much that you do not want to buy new ones knowing that they are looted In less than 50 chests, please lower the percentage of vanities that can be dropped in chests, remove so much trash that they put "epic" and "rare" rarity, it is preferable to take out a legendary object, an elixir or clean and safe gold, with respect to the auras , don't just put map / chest loot and buy
let us use the new materials and craft very expensive auras to make either in events or in objects on the same map 81.

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Originally Posted by Inozuke

I know it's weird to say it like that (wanting less percentages) but unlike other players I prefer a thousand times to have 1 vanity with little probability of being looted to a vanity that ends in 10k gold
Many cry when they say that a weapon costs them a lot to get it in platinum but that is the sense of the game, if it has high loot it would end in 10m in 1 month the vanities do not even say there is so much that you do not want to buy new ones knowing that they are looted In less than 50 chests, please lower the percentage of vanities that can be dropped in chests, remove so much trash that they put "epic" and "rare" rarity, it is preferable to take out a legendary object, an elixir or clean and safe gold, with respect to the auras , don't just put map / chest loot and buy
let us use the new materials and craft very expensive auras to make either in events or in objects on the same map 81.

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You my friend should type in points.
I feel you think too much while typing that your ideas express themselves in words as you typing and as your thoughts change at whim, so are the sentences you're making... Which makes it too hard for us to interpret.

This game doesnt need less loot%, it needs more lootable gear. Compared to other behemoths like osrs and wow this game only has gold loot, which is unhealthy for game and turns off new players since the first thing they see when starting to play this game is 10k in theyr inventory and 10m+ price tags in market.
Current expansion did well with its legendary gear, but they should have done it many, many years ago.

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This game doesnt need less loot%, it needs more lootable gear. Compared to other behemoths like osrs and wow this game only has gold loot, which is unhealthy for game and turns off new players since the first thing they see when starting to play this game is 10k in theyr inventory and 10m+ price tags in market.
Current expansion did well with its legendary gear, but they should have done it many, many years ago.

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When i started the game i had 0 gold like others.. By hard working i becommed rich. We all have the same jurney before we getting rich.Talking about no chances for new players is wrong. We all went a new players and who wanna play and is determined, patient will become rich someday for sure. By gold loot they have a chance for growth. If you wanna change something direct your attention on elite golden chests drop rate bcs its really low. Last time i did like 100 runs and i got like 5 pcs so 1/20 runs. This is a problem not gold loot. Btw we have a lot of events where new players can make a lot of gold at the begining.

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When i started the game i had 0 gold like others.. By hard working i becommed rich. We all have the same jurney before we getting rich.Talking about no chances for new players is wrong. We all went a new players and who wanna play and is determined, patient will become rich someday for sure. By gold loot they have a chance for growth. If you wanna change something direct your attention on elite golden chests drop rate bcs its really low. Last time i did like 100 runs and i got like 5 pcs so 1/20 runs. This is a problem not gold loot. Btw we have a lot of events where new players can make a lot of gold at the begining.

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There's a group of ultra rich people who use the fastest ms awakened gear and drop dm bosses in less than 2-3 minutes, and gold loot gets them what around 100k each run.
With the new mythic weapons.. The bosses are a breeze.

So you're telling me this isn't broken?
That's why the game is inflating and guess what these type of runs, an average - medium/rich player will not even be able to pull off.

They said proc stacking was broken but what about this?
That's why they nerf gold drops to prevent the inflation from going beyond the roof.

Tbh whatever you have worked hard (including me probably around your net worth) isn't going into their thought process when they make a decision regarding gl nerf, it's aimed at a group of people who are lb tier players who know what they're doing and sadly the game is only consisting of them. (2-3 min cleaning of gl map with high tier /maxed out/fresh out gear)
These players spend around 1B on what they got and so the advantage, but it is overall affecting the game..
So that's why I pose the question to sts, who are the players you want playing you're game?
Sure it's not the f2p player by this standard with negligible bang to buck for time invested.


So if they're not going to do something, the inflation is unstoppable.

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There's a group of ultra rich people who use the fastest ms awakened gear and drop dm bosses in less than 2-3 minutes, and gold loot gets them what around 100k each run.
With the new mythic weapons.. The bosses are a breeze.

So you're telling me this isn't broken?
That's why the game is inflating and guess what these type of runs, an average - medium/rich player will not even be able to pull off.

They said proc stacking was broken but what about this?
That's why they nerf gold drops to prevent the inflation from going beyond the roof.

Tbh whatever you have worked hard (including me probably around your net worth) isn't going into their thought process when they make a decision regarding gl nerf, it's aimed at a group of people who are lb tier players who know what they're doing and sadly the game is only consisting of them. (2-3 min cleaning of gl map with high tier /maxed out/fresh out gear)
These players spend around 1B on what they got and so the advantage, but it is overall affecting the game..
So that's why I pose the question to sts, who are the players you want playing you're game?
Sure it's not the f2p player by this standard with negligible bang to buck for time invested.


So if they're not going to do something, the inflation is unstoppable.

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You all seems like finished economy studies and telling about 'inflation' Guys stop crying about someone is rich and start do somethink to be rich too. Dont be jealous, do events, farm gold, chests, merch, hoard items do what you prefer but pls stop talking things you are no idea about.

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You all seems like finished economy studies and telling about 'inflation' Guys stop crying about someone is rich and start do somethink to be rich too. Dont be jealous, do events, farm gold, chests, merch, hoard items do what you prefer but pls stop talking things you are no idea about.

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Oh no ...

Crying? Jealous? Economy studies?

Hear yourself.
It's a forum, and anyone can say what they want.
Put a stop to your hokum.

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Oh no ...

Crying? Jealous? Economy studies?

Hear yourself.
It's a forum, and anyone can say what they want.
Put a stop to your hokum.

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Dont use forum to force your ideas on sts always someone will be dissatisfied.

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Dont use forum to force your ideas on sts always someone will be dissatisfied.

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Where am I forcing anything on anyone?

You are nuts as I feared. My last response to you.
An advice for you which makes more sense.
Don't tell others on a free forum what to talk about unless it breaks ToS.

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Where am I forcing anything on anyone?

You are nuts as I feared. My last response to you.
An advice for you which makes more sense.
Don't tell others on a free forum what to talk about unless it breaks ToS.

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I want to prevent things earlier you said dm should be nerfed or smk like that its unacceptable

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Inflation has ruined this game and thats a fact. There is only 1 way to farm in this game and its gold loot. If you use any other farming method its only to get gold loot gear. And you don't need to study economy to know that inflation makes money lose value. When hyperinflation hits and you are no longer able to buy anything with gold in game, you will realise how stupid your logic is. 1 good example is how they rised maximum gold trade limit because players started using items instead of gold in trades.

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Inflation has ruined this game and thats a fact. There is only 1 way to farm in this game and its gold loot. If you use any other farming method its only to get gold loot gear. And you don't need to study economy to know that inflation makes money lose value. When hyper inflation hits and you are no longer able to buy anything with gold in game, you will realise how stupid your logic is. 1 good example is how they rised maximum gold trade limit because players started using items instead of gold in trades.

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Originally Posted by Alkif

Inflation has ruined this game and thats a fact. There is only 1 way to farm in this game and its gold loot. If you use any other farming method its only to get gold loot gear. And you don't need to study economy to know that inflation makes money lose value. When hyper inflation hits and you are no longer able to buy anything with gold in game, you will realise how stupid your logic is. 1 good example is how they rised maximum gold trade limit because players started using items instead of gold in trades.

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Facts. Cinco said bfor expansion we will have old school type farming and all..I hoped it was similar to locked crate farming or smthing but it's still same gl/evg style looting.

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Inflation has ruined this game and thats a fact. There is only 1 way to farm in this game and its gold loot. If you use any other farming method its only to get gold loot gear. And you don't need to study economy to know that inflation makes money lose value. When hyperinflation hits and you are no longer able to buy anything with gold in game, you will realise how stupid your logic is. 1 good example is how they rised maximum gold trade limit because players started using items instead of gold in trades.

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There are a number of events you can farm and make insane gold quickly if you know what you are doing. When the new mythics first dropped i made over 30million in one day of running the event. While you are trying to paint this 'Death, Doom, Destruction' there are still logical players out there to call out the bs. I actually would assume gold looting took a little nerf when evg got adjusted and end game moved on. Add another gold sink like Scamsalot to help quell gold influx.

Inflation hasn't ruined the game and that's a fact. What items have been ruined by inflation? Curious. If you are going to talk on vanities then don't expect a response.

You are delusional if you think few good profitable events make up for gold farming that goes on 24/7. Last time when I actually played the game and grinded hard was when mausoleum got released, back then arcanes cost around 500k-few millions. Now you cant even afford good legendary daggers with that amount.
You probably havent played many mmos in your lifetime, but inflation takes place in every mmo. Unlike real world where central banks control the amount of money that goes out, in mmos players grind money every day causing inflation that may lead to hyperinflation which means players will start collecting valuable resources/items instead of money since gold is no longer worth anything.
I also saw cinco saying that they want more old School style farming in new maps, but when I saw people getting 50k+ every run I was instantly turned off. Its not like I cant afford gold loot set, its just such a bad way to farm. What makes mmos interesting is working towards your goals and getting that ultra rare drop that you grinded for ages or crafting that op set after collecting Ingredients for it. That feeling of accomplishment is no longer there. If I am not mistaken then until glintstone release that game was on the right track, mythic sets you can grind for(himi,uller,vili,glint set) nice vanitys that were extreanly hard to craft (cryostar weapons), planar pendant, nekro egg. But now you loot gold and buy items that p2w players got from lockeds.
Im not going to reply anymore because this discussion will lead to nowhere. As a dev they cant remove something that they have already implemented since many people would be very dissatisfied.

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Originally Posted by Mythocrisis

There's a group of ultra rich people who use the fastest ms awakened gear and drop dm bosses in less than 2-3 minutes, and gold loot gets them what around 100k each run.
With the new mythic weapons.. The bosses are a breeze.

So you're telling me this isn't broken?
That's why the game is inflating and guess what these type of runs, an average - medium/rich player will not even be able to pull off.

They said proc stacking was broken but what about this?
That's why they nerf gold drops to prevent the inflation from going beyond the roof.

Tbh whatever you have worked hard (including me probably around your net worth) isn't going into their thought process when they make a decision regarding gl nerf, it's aimed at a group of people who are lb tier players who know what they're doing and sadly the game is only consisting of them. (2-3 min cleaning of gl map with high tier /maxed out/fresh out gear)
These players spend around 1B on what they got and so the advantage, but it is overall affecting the game..
So that's why I pose the question to sts, who are the players you want playing you're game?
Sure it's not the f2p player by this standard with negligible bang to buck for time invested.


So if they're not going to do something, the inflation is unstoppable.

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I agree that there need to be more drops from bosses in the new maps. Introducing gear crafting components would be best.

However, I strongly disagree with the section about gold loot. Inflation affects everything that has its supply cut down, in this case it primarily affects vanities. Gear wise, because supplies are progressively released throughout the course of the expansion, gears are unaffected. Gold farming gears and simply gears are currently 35 percent and up to 50 percent cheaper than they were two years ago. LV76 death engine gears are at their lowest point, and the auction is flooded with gl and ms gears from all the awakening occurrences that have occurred, and keep in mind that this is all you need to farm DM efficiently. Of course, the new 81 gears are pricey, but that's because they're new; everything new is usually pricey at first, but it has already been reduced by up to 50% in the previous two events.

The EvG nerf, which was the major gold farming site that is now gone, has also resulted in much-reduced inflation rates. Following that, a number of farming players left.

In response to the "(2-3 minute cleaning of gl map with high tier /maxed out/fresh out gear)" narrative, better things = faster completion times, and this is true across the board. And I'd want to point out that I used to be a regular player who didn't have any of the aforementioned op gears you're referring to, but as you advance, everyone who started farming will ultimately get their hands on those gears, at a much cheaper and more commonly available condition.

More gold sink events, in any case, would counteract all of this gold, and the awakening event would do a good job doing just that.

Ye just like osrs,warcraft,albion..and much more mmorpg games why dont al have a profession type gold making method
Like skinners,fishing,mining ....ect ect


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Need a non-seasonal gold sink like awake event. Sir-Spend-alot or whatever is terrible gold sink. Need some major game system where gold gets used..trade tax is great but need more I guess. Maybe upgrades(progression) based sinks. Aaaaa idk.

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Need a non-seasonal gold sink like awake event. Sir-Spend-alot or whatever is terrible gold sink. Need some major game system where gold gets used..trade tax is great but need more I guess. Maybe upgrades(progression) based sinks. Aaaaa idk.

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This is gonna sound silly, but hear me out [emoji119]. They make an event where you can loot some kind of crate, this chest drops the same things you'd expect a locked crate to drop BUT it also has old mythics + arcanes (now we have a use for all those recipes we get during birthday events). You make it so these crates can only be opened via gold (how much gold, I honestly have no clue). You also give them the same odds as elite chests (maybe even lower) to loot old mythics + arcanes. For sts to profit from this you have an elixir that doubles the drop of these crates.

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I agree that there need to be more drops from bosses in the new maps. Introducing gear crafting components would be best.

However, I strongly disagree with the section about gold loot. Inflation affects everything that has its supply cut down, in this case it primarily affects vanities. Gear wise, because supplies are progressively released throughout the course of the expansion, gears are unaffected. Gold farming gears and simply gears are currently 35 percent and up to 50 percent cheaper than they were two years ago. LV76 death engine gears are at their lowest point, and the auction is flooded with gl and ms gears from all the awakening occurrences that have occurred, and keep in mind that this is all you need to farm DM efficiently. Of course, the new 81 gears are pricey, but that's because they're new; everything new is usually pricey at first, but it has already been reduced by up to 50% in the previous two events.

The EvG nerf, which was the major gold farming site that is now gone, has also resulted in much-reduced inflation rates. Following that, a number of farming players left.

In response to the "(2-3 minute cleaning of gl map with high tier /maxed out/fresh out gear)" narrative, better things = faster completion times, and this is true across the board. And I'd want to point out that I used to be a regular player who didn't have any of the aforementioned op gears you're referring to, but as you advance, everyone who started farming will ultimately get their hands on those gears, at a much cheaper and more commonly available condition.

More gold sink events, in any case, would counteract all of this gold, and the awakening event would do a good job doing just that.

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I agree to your argument.
But hear me out in this point of view.

The old gears that have become cheap (death engine etc) will let you complete dm map with good party in about 10 minutes for a party with such equipment.

But these 2-3 minute runs by a majority of people( which the game caters to an abnormal extent . Whales and spenders) , will cause so much gold to be dumped into the game which is going to be a cause for hardcore inflation where all the items are going to be paid 2-3x more in a couple of months.
Example items people farm gold for..ollerus 130-220m..kershal 200-320m Jupiter 80-190m.

And before we put in the time to farm for those mythic weapons, STS would have already released harder content with better goldloot.. Nerfed the previous maps like dm.. And to play those new hard maps, would have released the new arcane gears which is worlds apart from the mythic weapons making them obsolete and make people spend more platinum to get those at microscopic drop rate. And to top it all off, the inflation would be so high that those weapons will cost multitudes of hundreds of millions only for that same percentage of people to buy them and inflate the economy more. Survival of fittest in spending money decides ,that is a worse way for an mmorpg to gain or keep it's player base..or even to not chase away the lower group.

This is a rat race that is only making the rich people decide the fate and as I said the bang to buck for normal - rich level players not worth at all.
The mythic equipment released is on another level compared to the arcane death weapons.
And is locked behind money making schemes.
There's no way a f2p can keep playing at this rate of inflation and how MUCH it favors the p2w group.

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I agree to your argument.
But hear me out in this point of view.

The old gears that have become cheap (death engine etc) will let you complete dm map with good party in about 10 minutes for a party with such equipment.

But these 2-3 minute runs by a majority of people( which the game caters to an abnormal extent . Whales and spenders) , will cause so much gold to be dumped into the game which is going to be a cause for hardcore inflation where all the items are going to be paid 2-3x more in a couple of months.
Example items people farm gold for..ollerus 130-220m..kershal 200-320m Jupiter 80-190m.

And before we put in the time to farm for those mythic weapons, STS would have already released harder content with better goldloot.. Nerfed the previous maps like dm.. And to play those new hard maps, would have released the new arcane gears which is worlds apart from the mythic weapons making them obsolete and make people spend more platinum to get those at microscopic drop rate. And to top it all off, the inflation would be so high that those weapons will cost multitudes of hundreds of millions only for that same percentage of people to buy them and inflate the economy more. Survival of fittest in spending money decides ,that is a worse way for an mmorpg to gain or keep it's player base..or even to not chase away the lower group.

This is a rat race that is only making the rich people decide the fate and as I said the bang to buck for normal - rich level players not worth at all.
The mythic equipment released is on another level compared to the arcane death weapons.
And is locked behind money making schemes.
There's no way a f2p can keep playing at this rate of inflation and how MUCH it favors the p2w group.

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Returning to my first post, I stated that inflation will affect vanities but not gear. As for new arcane gears, it's to be expected that the latest arcane gear will be expensive at first, as it has always been the case with previous expansions - but, just like how the new 81 mythics peaked at 200m for the staff, but after just two events and a month later, they're now down to 80m.

So, once again, expect all of the new arcane stuff to significantly drop in a few cpl of events.

In response to the sudden inflation of those aforementioned vanities, well, that's from all the farming players who stopped farming after the EvG nerf and shifted their expenditures to vanities. But those are now stabilizing and slowly dropping again, and with the upcoming awakening event, expect all of those to drop down again as they always do.

Also, a team with only lv76 death engines gears can finish DM in 3-4 minutes, not 10 minutes, if they know how to run it efficiently in terms of clearing their own mob group.

But returning to my first post again, inflation rates should definitely be alot lower, now that Evg is nerfered and the fact that there are alot less gold farmers today than there were before the expansion. I keep track of the gold I farm everytime evg/dm opens up. And can tell that I am earning less than half in a month to what I used to earn before expansion.

The only threat I see for the new and mid-low class communities is if DM is nerfed. Because doing so essentially deprives them off their steady income, and they will have no backup when that goes away as well. I agree with that portion of your post.

As for the best gears being behind paywalls. As much as I hate this as you do, but realistically they definitely are struggling to payout their upkeeps.

Evidently enough they've offered 40% plat sales twice this year and 3x plat offers. Both of these were never done before, and which I think why they are struggling and are desperate.

But so far they've done a step to the right direction with those legendary sets, very new player-friendly. I expect more of these to come as well as new craftable gear components + spirit gear to keep everyone occupied.


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U know what it really need?
More players.

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