My ideas how to make gold sink better (rahab included)

1. Rahab opens too often - it takes around 1.5 day to open a portal - let increase it to around 3 days. Don't nerf gold drop, just nerf the portal spawn time.
2. Increase energy craft cost to 15-25k.
3. Increase potions price 5-10 times and pet food price 3-5 times (not in hardcore).
4. Give us another way how we can sell our items in auction. Now we can put an item on auction if we pay 5% fee. I think that adding another way how we can put our items in auction is a good idea. My idea is to add an option where we'll pay only 1% fee when we put an item on auc (to prevent flooding auc with random gear at 999 999 999 price), but we'll get only 90% of gold if someone will buy our item. For example: We want to sell something for 100m in auction, we'll pay 1m fee and after selling it we'll get 90m gold.
5. Every lb event should have a special 1 hour elixir which would allow us to get more more points. Price of that elixir would be 500k-1m.
6. Special sales, similar to these plat ones, where we can buy limited vanities/locks every 4 hours, but we'll buy them for gold instead of plats
7. "Special" 1 week lb event every 3-6 months where we'll be able to buy "special" energy kits only for gold, let's say 200k per 1 energy. "Normal" energy kits wouldn't work there.

Those are my ideas, hope you'll like some of them @Cinco @asommers

+1 totally agree don’t nerf raha just make more gold sinks, everything should be a gold sink everything !!!

+1 nerf the cold down of portal would be great like 2.5 or 3 days but dont nerf gold so it's close to 3 times per week aprox and sounds good:D no too good not too bad
But dont increase cost of energy, think about people who just join for fun and make an event they dont want spend a lot gold only in energy apart of elixir in each event just thinking about poor or guys who starting to play.
The others idea are so good, hope @Cinco can see this:D

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-1 why everyone worried about gold sink all of a sudden? @.@ Accept the fact in a economy, thing's get expensive as time elapse
If you think gold sink can make items cheaper,
There's a opposite situation to that, demand would be higher and less gold to offer, it would depend on the seller how bad they wanna sell their items cheap for else price might go up because of demand.
On the other hand right now
People are selling things, and they getting sold for the desired prices Because everyone is able to farm and buy what they desire for.
Along with that, we're seeing alot of gold being farmed right after we got 1b gold farming aps.
People have been motivated more in order to complete aps and get gold as well.Which makes alot
There was no demand of gold sink or rahab nerf so much before 1b aps .
Neither when it wasn't easy to farm ERahab with no arcs, but now it usually takes 40-45sec or less to complete single ERahab.
Gold sink might bring a different turn to economic condition of game.

+1 in almost all but
-1 in making the energy gold sink, casual players just want to play events

-1 on cost increase on energy, potion, elixs, auc tax, etc…
+1 increase cool down

-1 to the cooldown of the opening rate to 3 days. 2 days or so seems about right, else it'll revert back to the exact same changes before-portal update again.

#2 Energy craft fees, I stop running events because of it. Only run if there’s an item I really really want(thats rare)
#3 potions n pet feed are for noobs. My pots are maxed out, I rotate pets I don’t feed them.
#4 rarely use the auction because of fees
#5 pay to win is pathetic
#6 I’m Rich aura was offered at 50k gold... then dropped in price and never recovered.

Just nerf the gold drops overall but give more options to farm it from.

All the suggestions u mentioned impact on casual players or make competitions even more pay to win.

Give an option to use gold instead of platinum at an increased rate for whatever platinum exclusive feature for example crafting times, lets say 50 plats=100k, an item needs 250platinum to completely speed up the craft time which would be 500k, make an option where u can either choose to spend 250plat or 750k gold.

There are many aspectos of the game that could have a better use as a gold sink.

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#2 Energy craft fees, I stop running events because of it. Only run if there’s an item I really really want(thats rare)
#3 potions n pet feed are for noobs. My pots are maxed out, I rotate pets I don’t feed them.
#4 rarely use the auction because of fees
#5 pay to win is pathetic
#6 I’m Rich aura was offered at 50k gold... then dropped in price and never recovered.

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#2 current energy craft cost is WHOLE 1k, which is about 0.25-0.5s in current Rahakbor. Even if we'll say that you need 100-200 runs for platinum tier, it's whole 100-200k - no one would even feel that. Even if we increase it to 20k, it's still "only 2-4m - just to get a platinum tier. Now everyone has a gl set and can farm that amount of gold easily.
#3 similar thing to energy cost, prices are too low compared to how much gold can we farm.
#4 many people don't put their items on auc, because they're afraid of paying 5% fee and not selling an item. My suggestion solves that - you get less gold after selling an item, but you pay only 1% of fee.
#5 I think that you forgot the definition of p2w. You wouldn't spend real money to get an elixir, which boosts your gold, but you would spend your gold in npc. Top 5-10 lb is actually for people with good gear, a lot of gold and a lot of free time, they can easily afford to waste their gold on elixir.
btw, calling AL a p2w game after all they did in previous year is legit smort moment.
#6 There are 2 problems with Rich Aura - first one, it didn't look same as plat sales on store. 2nd problem (more important) is that Rich Aura is ugly and no one wants it. Of STS would release a good looking aura with limited quantity like on plat sales, I'm pretty sure that proce of this aura after event would be different. Also, is lower price of x item after x time bad? I don't think so. Things change, doesn't mean they'll get better.

For good gold sink, you need to take gold from all type of players - noobs, casuals, merchers, lb runners etc. My gold sink suggestions works for all of these types of players.

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Just nerf the gold drops overall but give more options to farm it from.

All the suggestions u mentioned impact on casual players or make competitions even more pay to win.

Give an option to use gold instead of platinum at an increased rate for whatever platinum exclusive feature for example crafting times, lets say 50 plats=100k, an item needs 250platinum to completely speed up the craft time which would be 500k, make an option where u can either choose to spend 250plat or 750k gold.



There are many aspectos of the game that could have a better use as a gold sink.

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My suggestions impact on all players and AL isn't a p2w game, especially after what they did in last year - they just gsve away mythic gear, gold loot sets, pets and made good events for making gold for newbies (labirynth).
250plat worth of crafting time for just only 750k? Even if you would cut gold drops by 90%, it would take ages to significantly lower the amount of gold in circulation (if it would even start lowering).
Also, there's already a thing in Arcane Legends, which solves that problem - plat eggs. If you're desperate, then you just buy plat eggs from other player or in auction (which is a gold sink source)

All he did was repeat himself, so to be more clear. No ty. On all of it.

The ideas r in the right direction but amounts r probably too high and thats smtng devs can adjust as they can see game stats.
I expect devs will use similar approach in the gold nerf soon enough.

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My suggestions impact on all players and AL isn't a p2w game, especially after what they did in last year - they just gsve away mythic gear, gold loot sets, pets and made good events for making gold for newbies (labirynth).
250plat worth of crafting time for just only 750k? Even if you would cut gold drops by 90%, it would take ages to significantly lower the amount of gold in circulation (if it would even start lowering).
Also, there's already a thing in Arcane Legends, which solves that problem - plat eggs. If you're desperate, then you just buy plat eggs from other player or in auction (which is a gold sink source)

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This whole conversation makes it look as if u think everyone in game has a 1k+ gl set (which isnt the case).

Giving away mythic gear, gold loot sets and pets was "great" except for the fact that no "newbie" could be able to make some gold out of items worth almost nothing.
Now gold loot sets are a special case, easing up the farming for the vast majority, what u are forgetting here is awakenings, anything above 50gl skyrockets its price making it a no go for "newbies".

U seem to have missed the part where i said "lets say", making clear the 250plat=750kgold was an example.

Im not saying gold will magically disappear from game by reducing gold drops, im saying there are better options for gold sinks, constructive feedback.

Buying items from other players doesnt work as a gold sink source since the gold would just move from one place to another.


Using "newbies" as an excuse for everything is a trend that many should stay away from.

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This whole conversation makes it look as if u think everyone in game has a 1k+ gl set (which isnt the case).

Giving away mythic gear, gold loot sets and pets was "great" except for the fact that no "newbie" could be able to make some gold out of items worth almost nothing.
Now gold loot sets are a special case, easing up the farming for the vast majority, what u are forgetting here is awakenings, anything above 50gl skyrockets its price making it a no go for "newbies".

U seem to have missed the part where i said "lets say", making clear the 250plat=750kgold was an example.

Im not saying gold will magically disappear from game by reducing gold drops, im saying there are better options for gold sinks, constructive feedback.

Buying items from other players doesnt work as a gold sink source since the gold would just move from one place to another.


Using "newbies" as an excuse for everything is a trend that many should stay away from.

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Bro, adjustments in most games r based on top tier players, the point is that newbies have to work towards becoming better, it would be dumb if newbies make 5m/h and pros make 6m/h..
When i just started this game it took me 2-3years before i became average player, now i have friends who do the same in a few months (both f2p way)

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Open rate should be slower.

Gold drop also needs to be reduced.

Best wishes!


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This whole conversation makes it look as if u think everyone in game has a 1k+ gl set (which isnt the case).

Giving away mythic gear, gold loot sets and pets was "great" except for the fact that no "newbie" could be able to make some gold out of items worth almost nothing.
Now gold loot sets are a special case, easing up the farming for the vast majority, what u are forgetting here is awakenings, anything above 50gl skyrockets its price making it a no go for "newbies".

U seem to have missed the part where i said "lets say", making clear the 250plat=750kgold was an example.

Im not saying gold will magically disappear from game by reducing gold drops, im saying there are better options for gold sinks, constructive feedback.

Buying items from other players doesnt work as a gold sink source since the gold would just move from one place to another.


Using "newbies" as an excuse for everything is a trend that many should stay away from.

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Not everyone has 1k gl set, but everyone can get 350-500gl with almost no effort. 40gl pieces are still cheap (also, venal isn't the only gl set). It's definitely more than enough for a new player who wants to catch up better players. The weaker you are, the faster you progress (it's much easier to get additional 50gl when you have 500gl than when you have 1k gl).
Also, this crafting idea would also hurt weaker players who make gold from crafting and selling jewels and event stuff, since better players would just finish all with gold - they would lose their source of income.
But this idea isn't completely bad - it could (idk how it would affect the price of plat eggs) work with socketing jewels to your gear (but obviously price should be way higher than 3k per 1 plat).
Buying directly from players isn't a gold sink, but buying from auction is - especially if sts would think about adding another way of selling our stuff in auc - 1% fee, but receiving only 90% of gold after selling.

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Open rate should be slower.

Gold drop also needs to be reduced.

Best wishes!


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Keep in mind that people who get 7-10m per hour are the ones with kraken set and higher gl.
For example, if I can get 7.5-10m per hour with 1k gl (depends on pt) and good awak int/ms kraken gear (worth 1b+), then newbie with 500gl, bad awak mythic gear, no pt and farming on normal rahab doesn't get just 2 times less gold than me - he gets probably like 4 (if not 5) times less gold than me (and people like me or better are a significant minority).
Even if you'll nerf gold drop too, it won't fix the inflation in long term, since there are no good gold sinks, so there will be more and more gold anyway (that's why I posted some ideas about gold sinking).
There's also 1b gold drop achievement, so nerf cant be that big
@Cinco

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Keep in mind that people who get 7-10m per hour are the ones with kraken set and higher gl.
For example, if I can get 7.5-10m per hour with 1k gl (depends on pt) and good awak int/ms kraken gear (worth 1b+), then newbie with 500gl, bad awak mythic gear, no pt and farming on normal rahab doesn't get just 2 times less gold than me - he gets probably like 4 (if not 5) times less gold than me (and people like me or better are a significant minority).
Even if you'll nerf gold drop too, it won't fix the inflation in long term, since there are no good gold sinks, so there will be more and more gold anyway (that's why I posted some ideas about gold sinking).
There's also 1b gold drop achievement, so nerf cant be that big
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There’s no arguing that a reduction of gold inflow won’t help inflation. Gold sinks are an important addition - but they won’t matter if the income rate is too high (like it is now).


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new player this new player that...is there even any new players? I ask my irl friends to play. They take a look and is like NOPE. xD

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new player this new player that...is there even any new players? I ask my irl friends to play. They take a look and is like NOPE. xD

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True, why should we worry about new players if sts isn’t .

If sts put the effort to promote they’re game they would get so many players because it’s a great game but they don’t promote it .

Heres some suggestions:

1) How about having event vendor for some future events be similar to the one in Lovecraft event.

Basically instead of directly giving a vanity, pet egg, badge or furniture in event vendor, make event vendor provide you with a recipe to craft the item. And to craft this item you'd need a lot of gold (250k-1m). You can have some of these recipes be a one time purchase as this would encourage more crafting.

You don't have to do this for every item, as this would make it hard for Hardcore's to obtain anything from event vendor, but you could have some items be "special" in that sense. For this to be effective the items have to be desirable.

2) Also from now on, make unlocked crates in event vendor require gold instead of tokens. And for the love of god stop making them require 1m to open as you've done in previous events. This discourages people from even trying because anyone who's played knows how terrible the odds are on crates.

3) Adding more loot to sir spendsalot. Things like the possibility of looting 100 planar fragments, 10-100 story tokens and other currencies in large quantities. In fact during events you could add event tokens to spendsalots loot table during an event. This way people can also gamble for the possibility of obtaining lots of tokens without having to run.

4) Just like the IAM Rich aura start introducing auras/wisps that require gold to purchase. Yes they should cost 50m. If you make them at least desirable they will sell. Maybe have it come in the form of a chest that will give you the aura + a title (non tradable).

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There’s no arguing that a reduction of gold inflow won’t help inflation. Gold sinks are an important addition - but they won’t matter if the income rate is too high (like it is now).


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Add old mythic/set/arc items to sirspendalot. I dont know if it would help. Or throw some pets in it. In all rarity. Or add gold to plat converter temporarily could be like 1m pr 1 plat. Im sure theres people out there would do that.


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+1 to all of idea here

I think theres no problem with too much gold drop or portal open too fast
Remember dm ? Best player 2+min to complete map other needed 3+ even 4+min
Now everyone who have kraken gear complete every single map in less than 20sec current gear is too op but @cinco know about game balance ofc

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I think theres no problem with too much gold drop or portal open too fast
Remember dm ? Best player 2+min to complete map other needed 3+ even 4+min
Now everyone who have kraken gear complete every single map in less than 20sec current gear is too op but @cinco know about game balance ofc

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It's okay to be too strong, but there is a problem that the maps are too easy for a party full of kraken sets, melting everything along the way like ice cream in the sun... Really unbalanced in m point of view

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It's okay to be too strong, but there is a problem that the maps are too easy for a party full of kraken sets, melting everything along the way like ice cream in the sun... Really unbalanced in m point of view

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Yes, thats it in my opinion gold map should be mecharydon bcs theres no way even for best to complete this map in less than 1.10min dislike 15s runs in rahabkor. Or just increase hp elite bosses in zodias idk leave it to devs i hope they do something good to make all happy

Hi all
I though about it and I had an idea to creat a gold sink in this game.
And I found that the way people lose the most of their gold is by gambling.
By opening locks (buy keys with gold).
Awaking (buy gems with gold).
So I would suggest that we get some events where we can buy keys for gold. So people can buy keys to open locks or some events where you can buy unlocked chests to loot some items (kraken for sure to make people wanting to open it, SS, gl set…, and maybe change it to old items when the market you screwed up will be regulate) and vanities to reduce the amount of gold ingame and import some goods to trade on the market. (With that add some achievements like open 1000 chests),

Moreover it would be good if we could get blue gems every 2 months instead of 6. And make it bound only. So we will trade elite gems only and we will have to use the blue ones for ourselves for gambling awaks. (With that add achievements like reawak 1 million times)

Sir scamalot is also a good feature.

The only problem with this idea is that it may be too F2P friendly for you so you may lose money on that.

But with that gold sinks the gold loot of erahab is for sure needed to stabilise the market.

Stay in mind that the idea is not to make every item cheap aswell so we need the drop rate of the good items low to keep the excitment having it and because the goal is to reduce the gold cap for newcomers and casual players to keep up a little with the hardcore farmers while giving the nolife players an advantage and something to use their gold.


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-1 your ideas is basically inflation. Right now, the value of gold in AL is absolute worthless than plat. there is right way to get rid of inflation is change whole mechanic of the game. I would consider to just remove %gold loot from the game rather than nerfing it. just cuz making limitation on gold map or anything that relate to gold loot doesnt mean we will get better on the value of gold relate to inflation. we already have reached to the point where the game is almost similar to dark legend.

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-1 your ideas is basically inflation. Right now, the value of gold in AL is absolute worthless than plat. there is right way to get rid of inflation is change whole mechanic of the game. I would consider to just remove %gold loot from the game rather than nerfing it. just cuz making limitation on gold map or anything that relate to gold loot doesnt mean we will get better on the value of gold relate to inflation. we already have reached to the point where the game is almost similar to dark legend.

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Who’s idea?


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Open rate should be slower.

Gold drop also needs to be reduced.

Best wishes!


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Cinco, an amazing gold sink would be a once a year “mega awake event” that has elite gems on sale for something like 100k each! Guaranteed to take 10s of billions out.


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Cinco, an amazing gold sink would be a once a year “mega awake event” that has elite gems on sale for something like 100k each! Guaranteed to take 10s of billions out.


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Thanks for the suggestion but if players think that there will be another / different Awake gem sale in the future for less they'll skip out on the 100k sales price.

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Thanks for the suggestion but if players think that there will be another / different Awake gem sale in the future for less they'll skip out on the 100k sales price.

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make these ones bound and time limited by the event.

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Thanks for the suggestion but if players think that there will be another / different Awake gem sale in the future for less they'll skip out on the 100k sales price.

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what do you think about creating a new "sr spends a lot" in heracleiton? ( I think every city should have one ) It would be a great casino and it could also introduce news that suddenly appears in the chat saying that "sr. Spendsalot is in a sudden luck" meaning that at that moment he could get items with limited rotation and of course spending gold to try.

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make these ones bound and time limited by the event.

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That makes it a worse proposition - as they would have no trade value. While many Players want the gems to increase the power of their items, a huge number of Players tend to buy these in large quantities for the purpose of trade.

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what do you think about creating a new "sr spends a lot" in heracleiton? ( I think every city should have one ) It would be a great casino and it could also introduce news that suddenly appears in the chat saying that "sr. Spendsalot is in a sudden luck" meaning that at that moment he could get items with limited rotation and of course spending gold to try.

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We are working on a 'gold to roll' crate that will (hopefully) have some very worthwhile items in it. I like the idea of having a special mini-event where the loot chances from this crate are suddenly a lot better - but I am concerned with players not using the crate at all unless the event is active... and I worry that many players will feel left out of the chance to loot if the event happens at odd hours. That said, it's worth thinking about how it could be made to work fairly.

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We are working on a 'gold to roll' crate that will (hopefully) have some very worthwhile items in it. I like the idea of having a special mini-event where the loot chances from this crate are suddenly a lot better - but I am concerned with players not using the crate at all unless the event is active... and I worry that many players will feel left out of the chance to loot if the event happens at odd hours. That said, it's worth thinking about how it could be made to work fairly.

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(Hypothetically) would this mini even cycle regularly? If so maybe have the mini even be cyclical, similar to the timers in the store. Allow x amount of minutes/hours the mini event is live, 1x out of every quarter of 24 hours, this could make it possible for all time zones.

Just a few random thoughts.
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We are working on a 'gold to roll' crate that will (hopefully) have some very worthwhile items in it. I like the idea of having a special mini-event where the loot chances from this crate are suddenly a lot better - but I am concerned with players not using the crate at all unless the event is active... and I worry that many players will feel left out of the chance to loot if the event happens at odd hours. That said, it's worth thinking about how it could be made to work fairly.

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Please consider adding pet XP kits to that crate. Would actually make it worth opening and make it unique to the typical crate.

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Thanks for the suggestion but if players think that there will be another / different Awake gem sale in the future for less they'll skip out on the 100k sales price.

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I’m confused what you mean? Almost every player i know would spend 10s of millions on elite awakes if they were in store for 100k for an event. Then price would rise over the year after event and get back to normal.


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