You want to know how to reduce item pricing?? Get rid of gold loot. And watch item maul drop to 3m and kershal drop to 7m and bb hooks 5m with in matter of months. Easy.
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Im paying upwards of 10$/Lb for ground beef atm, before this huge economic downturn, it was half that. So cutting off revenue would more than likely follow real economics and prices would go up. Unless demand for those items drop, you wouldnt see a massive decline in value, but probably an upturn.
Sometimes easy isnt the answer.
Aight, I will attempt to add on what manipulation means as well. If you think it's too long or are lazy to read, feel free to skip it. Not forcing anyone to understand it better. That said, don't shy away from correcting me if you think I made a mistake.
It seems to me some if not many are still confused with the act of hoarding an item regardless of its quantity, versus manipulating the market supply and demand of an item.
Manipulation means you are trying to control or in another words, bold enough to SET the market price for AN item in the SHORT TERM, by artificially creating the market demand (fake offers) and market supply(taking down the whole auction 24/7). Usually the latter seems easier to most richie. And how can one do that? Well you need to make sure no one other than you and a few others agreed with a standard price that's being set, hence effectively manipulating the price of that particular item at you or your monopoly group's will. Chances are, if you see a sudden, often RIDICULOUS rise in price of an item of any kind in a relatively SHORT span of time, its likely and suspicious enough for the result of market manipulations.
That said, is it easy to control the entire market of one relatively expensive item? Big no. How many people in AL can do that if the market has for example over 1,000,000 supply of the same item, say each one of it cost 1m? I would say only a pathetic few. And bear in mind this is just one item, let alone to control most if not all of the items with different price range in AL. Which is why, when market manipulations happen, its usually not just one person (in this case the person that has been exposed here), but very likely a collective few elite players that's doing it to a few items they deem to be profitable.
On the other hand, Hoarding implies that you are going to "hoard" literally the meaning of the word itself is to KEEP for the LONG TERM and not selling it until new market supply catches up with new market demand to determine a new accepted market price range. There's no manipulation involved here. You simply created a LARGE VOLUME (not depleting all supply in market, like in the case of manipulation would require) OF DEMAND for an item in the short term that is certainly gonna affect the new market price because now the supply seems to be temporarily in shortage before supply from other unaware sellers slowly RECOVER again to bring its price down to its previous price range or a slightly higher price range.
An example of how hoarding affect market price is the last day of eggsaviers, many decided that hey its the last day of the event, I should hoard some eggs! There was a sudden acceptable spike in prices of eggs and then slowly it dropped back as people who have been holding their eggs in their stash release it to the market.
To reiterate, unlike manipulation, hoarding does not attempt to take down ALL supply in the market (even though the buyer may think so when the auction is empty because of him), so you are less likely to create a ridiculous spike in prices in the short term, although price will certainly and likely increase rather significantly.
In short, if you aren't wealthy enough to take down all supply in the market ("market" here is not just the auction alone, it includes all sellers, can be found in towns/people u know of) or collaborate with others to do so, there's no way A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL(or a few elite individuals on an agreement) can SET the market price for an item. Which is to say, you can't be involved with price or market manipulations IF AND ONLY IF you can't succeed in SETTING the new market price base on your command alone.
That's my go at it, hope it helps. Feel free to add your input.
Before you completely demolish my effort to discuss the issue, bear in mind that a forum is the exact place you discuss your opinions/views/experience with other matured people alike. If you feel this is too much for your current age, nobody is forcing you to stay.
To make things worse, If you couldn't even care to read the whole thing respectfully like a grown up adult before jumping into your "hilarious" conclusions unlike what The Golden King did, do not expect me to care either. If anything, you are only effectively making your comment having absolutely zero value to this thread/forum discussion other than a free bump to get the dev's attention. In stark contrast, having read my previous comment, The Golden King at the very least provided few thoughtful and constructive response/suggestions which adds depth to the discussion, what have you done on the other hand other than trying to fan a drama?
Also, If you have read more comprehensively instead of intentionally handpicking some holes in my statements to start a fight/drama, you would see I clearly stated that if anyone has better ways of illustrating the difference feel free to correct me.
Last, If you are gonna continue to be salty and try to initiate an offence, I'm not gonna waste any more of my time responding to you.
Peace out.
golden king and encryptions are actually friends in game.
we really dont care anymore about explanations nor constructive arguments.
We are living it with it at this point, stop making long arguments cause nobody has time to read that.
You cannot repair his image or his actions.
Hey bud, appreciate the respectful response.
Just to clarify my response above long or short, is not intended to defend the individual exposed here nor do I have the time to offend anyone, if I did appear to be, my apologies. My sole intention is to hopefully provide some perspectives to the topic on price manipulations like what many others here have done.
And thanks for the feedback on my long arguements, I joined forum just a few weeks ago, didn't know that only short comments are allowed here. Pardon my ignorance.
Cheers
Inflation isn't a myth. Inflation through these recent events bumping up the prices of top tier items 3 times up is a myth, just to cover up and justify price manipulation/overpricing. This event wasn't that profitable to cause inflation like nothing ever caused before. 300b-500b gold? I know what the CEO said, I also know that if gold droped from chests was calculated then the number is incorrect. A lot of chests bought from auction were listed at 40k and were opened just to drop 12k gold. That number would be correct ONLY if chests dropped more gold than their cost was to open/buy or if the chests were not tradable.
I did NOT deny it. I said it's incorrect because the chests were tradable and cost gold to open, most of the time more gold to open than the gold they dropped. You are the moron here for not comprehending such a simple thing. Say whatever you want, I couldn't care less.
I'm confused, why are you comparing the definitions of each? That's like saying the word "chicken" refers to a chicken, but the word "rooster" refers to a rooster. They're not going to have the same definition. Just because Hoarding doesn't directly equal manipulation. doesnt mean that hoarding isn't a FORM of manipulation. Atleast in terms of the AL gold market. And hoarding isn't always done long term. Hoarding is usually done until you can turn a profit, which considering if there are only a few of the item, and they all decide to make price go up, then they can successfully turn a profit in the matter of a few days. Just stop, please.
Here you go overbear if you care enough to read, if not we are still cool (The above is part 1)
To clarify on your question on why I had to define the two, my attempt is to suggest that under few specific circumstances, hoarding is NOT considered as a form of market manipulations and vice versa.
Appreciate that you bring up the fact that hoarding doesn't necessarily mean long term, thanks for pointing that out.
Would love to hear you inputs too, either you chose to read and remained silent or replied with a new input, I would respect your decision. Cheers.
Sad what people will do to make pixel gold.
Fake prices and manipulation is what made many players rich including all the youtubers and people who got merched/scammed have quit and now only toxic people like the above exist .... so no point talking now........
Toxicity level-
(Buy all rush sales cheap / sell egg no merch , lowballs autoignored and reported)
- all i see is this is pp and expedition
so is beyond help........
- friend Arlorian( mage)
I don’t get all these barks about “fake C.o” if y’all don’t like the Current offer Or it’s too high then just say pass cuz they probably have auto price for that item THATS why it’s “Current Offer”. If y’all don’t like the price or the offer of the player or the player they just made up, then find another seller or buy from auction. No need for all these panic and complain like someone is about to end your life like... if you think their “current offer” is too high then pass, move on to another seller. Not everything is for free. If you can’t buy it, then don’t. If you don’t like the price, then don’t buy it. Simple. People’s brain these days [emoji849]. U come to that seller while interested in their Item, don’t cry and complain about their prices. It’s their item and it’s their property. Just Wish them Good luck for it to sell lol
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