State of: My bear (Endgame)

[CrimsonTider]

And now for the other side of the coin...

Yes, bears get buffs in dodge, crit, and damage, but we need something to make up for a lack in hit percentage. I've said it once and I will continue to say it: Bears are the only class where maximizing their "main" attribute (strength) makes them irrelevant. I believe that when the devs began placing stats into each skill, they took into consideration how each class would benefit based on being "pure." For a bear, we couldn't hit Gurgox with an Elite Boulder 100x it's original size when pure strength. Because we only hit 6/10 swings pure (with a debuff from another class, it goes negative in a nano-second), and all other classes hit 10+/10 swings (birds have 200+ hit with Swift talon set... can we say excessive?), bears need each swing to mean something when we are lucky if one happens to actually land.

Listen, I get it: Bears are suppose to tank and not kill. We capture flags, not hand out triple-kills. We debuff with Hellscream while other classes go in for the kill. I get that. However, if we decrease the damage buff in rage, the dodge/crit/damage in strength gear, and lower the debuff ability in Hellscream, what good will it be to have a bear. I mean, foxes have a skill which grant 70% hit, rhino's a skill which grants 40+ health regen (not base health, health REGEN), birds have a skill to increase their already high hit%, and mages reach almost 65 crit just from their sets.

I am in the middle of an ENORMOUS bear thread where I explain all of this a little better. I just hope bears aren't extinct before I finish with it.

[Zapoke]

And now for the other side of the coin...

Yes, bears get buffs in dodge, crit, and damage, but we need something to make up for a lack in hit percentage. I've said it once and I will continue to say it: Bears are the only class where maximizing their "main" attribute (strength) makes them irrelevant. I believe that when the devs began placing stats into each skill, they took into consideration how each class would benefit based on being "pure." For a bear, we couldn't hit Gurgox with an Elite Boulder 100x it's original size when pure strength. Because we only hit 6/10 swings pure (with a debuff from another class, it goes negative in a nano-second), and all other classes hit 10+/10 swings (birds have 200+ hit with Swift talon set... can we say excessive?), bears need each swing to mean something when we are lucky if one happens to actually land.

Listen, I get it: Bears are suppose to tank and not kill. We capture flags, not hand out triple-kills. We debuff with Hellscream while other classes go in for the kill. I get that. However, if we decrease the damage buff in rage, the dodge/crit/damage in strength gear, and lower the debuff ability in Hellscream, what good will it be to have a bear. I mean, foxes have a skill which grant 70% hit, rhino's a skill which grants 40+ health regen (not base health, health REGEN), birds have a skill to increase their already high hit%, and mages reach almost 65 crit just from their sets.

I am in the middle of an ENORMOUS bear thread where I explain all of this a little better. I just hope bears aren't extinct before I finish with it.

I mentioned something about birds having hit % on their attack buff in a previous thread. In my opinion, I think birds/foxes shouldn't have hit % buffs simply because if they're pures, they don't need it. If Rage changed from +90 damage, +26 crit to +30 damage, +26 crit, +60 hit, I would be extremely happy. Then they can do their job as pures, and not miss 40% of the time. Not only that, but they also move away from the damage role TONS of people seem to think bears are suppose to fill. I love bears. It was the first class I really got into (level 20 twink bears.. good times ), and I wish it was viable to play pure strength. But.. Let's be honest, bears didn't get nerfed, they stayed the same, while everyone else took a hit to their defense or offense (or both, in the case of birds).

But if they nerf hs they will need to nerf blind shot and mages hit debuff...

You're right! I did not notice that. Though I agree with Lone. Maybe a lower nerf to mage's due to the lack of range.

[Roberto077]

I mentioned something about birds having hit % on their attack buff in a previous thread. In my opinion, I think birds/foxes shouldn't have hit % buffs simply because if they're pures, they don't need it. If Rage changed from +90 damage, +26 crit to +30 damage, +26 crit, +60 hit, I would be extremely happy. Then they can do their job as pures, and not miss 40% of the time. Not only that, but they also move away from the damage role TONS of people seem to think bears are suppose to fill. I love bears. It was the first class I really got into (level 20 twink bears.. good times ), and I wish it was viable to play pure strength.

Or maybe 26 crit, 30 damage and 20 hit %.

[Zapoke]

Or maybe 26 crit, 30 damage and 20 hit %.

Hm, I don't know. If it's only 20% hit, can we really say pure strength is viable? 66 + 20 = 86 right? Then take a blinding shot, and you won't hit anything again.

[CrimsonTider]

Hm, I don't know. If it's only 20% hit, can we really say pure strength is viable? 66 + 20 = 86 right? Then take a blinding shot, and you won't hit anything again.

Precisely. Add a Hellscream in there and we are back to -hit%.

And I would gladly take an option like what you mentioned in Rage as well. I could go into this a lot more, but it would ruin half my thread.

[tHelonestud]

I really don't think bears need the dodge just think of it in the case of reality. They are tanks. What kind of tank dodges? It's for low weight/high speed characters. Bears should just have more health and armor. Damage is high but not precise.

[Zapoke]

I really don't think bears need the dodge just think of it in the case of reality. They are tanks. What kind of tank dodges? It's for low weight/high speed characters. Bears should just have more health and armor. Damage is high but not precise.

In Pocket Legends, tanks have to have dodge. It doesn't need to be insane, but it needs to be there. There's only a certain point to where armor can stop damage, and if there's enough monsters hitting you, you'll die even with 1000 armor.

[Roberto077]

Hm, I don't know. If it's only 20% hit, can we really say pure strength is viable? 66 + 20 = 86 right? Then take a blinding shot, and you won't hit anything again.

That's why I added in the damage. Either nerf damage, no damage but a large hit % buff, or a little of both.

[Oxymoron]

And now for the other side of the coin...

Yes, bears get buffs in dodge, crit, and damage, but we need something to make up for a lack in hit percentage. I've said it once and I will continue to say it: Bears are the only class where maximizing their "main" attribute (strength) makes them irrelevant. I believe that when the devs began placing stats into each skill, they took into consideration how each class would benefit based on being "pure." For a bear, we couldn't hit Gurgox with an Elite Boulder 100x it's original size when pure strength. Because we only hit 6/10 swings pure (with a debuff from another class, it goes negative in a nano-second), and all other classes hit 10+/10 swings (birds have 200+ hit with Swift talon set... can we say excessive?), bears need each swing to mean something when we are lucky if one happens to actually land.

Listen, I get it: Bears are suppose to tank and not kill. We capture flags, not hand out triple-kills. We debuff with Hellscream while other classes go in for the kill. I get that. However, if we decrease the damage buff in rage, the dodge/crit/damage in strength gear, and lower the debuff ability in Hellscream, what good will it be to have a bear. I mean, foxes have a skill which grant 70% hit, rhino's a skill which grants 40+ health regen (not base health, health REGEN), birds have a skill to increase their already high hit%, and mages reach almost 65 crit just from their sets.

I am in the middle of an ENORMOUS bear thread where I explain all of this a little better. I just hope bears aren't extinct before I finish with it.

Hi crimson, thanks u, thank u n thank you