[Guide]: Farming Elite Shuyal - A Rogue's Perspective

[Zuzeq]

Charging Nox is a complete waste for one reason: it slows down your crit stacking on aimed shot. And for elites, you should be using shadow piercer, not trap or razor. Trap and razor are for tombs and maybe normal maps.
Other than that, excellent guide.

Coming from a s2 timed elite leaderboarder.

It takes 2.1 seconds to charge Nox Bolt, Aim Shot's crit benefit lasts 5.1 seconds. If your crit from AS goes away when you charge Nox you just have slow fingers and then i'd suggest NOT charging anything.

[HeartlessR]

It can be a few reasons why people wont charge. example is
I play on my android sometimes but mainly play on PC. When im on my droid its too annoying to charge something every 2 seconds other than veil. So id rather just tap nox. Of course when im on PC and theres no lag or hassle ill charge it for shuyal maps. normally i wont for anything under nord considering enemies will die after a aimed-nox-pierce combo . the other reason can either be laziness or they really believe its useless.
If your team doesnt have mages or your mages arent very well geared. then the nox box really shines.

as for the person claiming pierce is better then traps to each his own but imo pierce is amazing for every map that isnt shuyal or nord.. the record holders atm for shuyal have traps and pierce in there build. which is also what i use. mainly because I play on pc so im able to switch my traps out for pierce with no hassle.

[Zeus]

Nice guide esp after that farm yesterday haha

My build atm would be aimed,nox,sp and veil (that's why every time i hope the other rogue in party has traps lol ) it's not a problem i can change but it's like ur at the lottery, u never know what ur gonna get .
As for charging skils i think it depends on maps/mobs/bosses. I charge veil and nox in big mob pulls and i don't charge nox at boss......so it depends.
I guess every rogue has it's preffered build and skill......SSSSSsooo.....what ever works for u and ur team
Have fun and good luck ^_^

Hey Azi

I only charge nox for grouped up mobs, but with whims, that's usually all the time & why charged nox is more efficient for me.

[Zeus]

Charging Nox is a complete waste for one reason: it slows down your crit stacking on aimed shot. And for elites, you should be using shadow piercer, not trap or razor. Trap and razor are for tombs and maybe normal maps.
Other than that, excellent guide.

Coming from a s2 timed elite leaderboarder.

That works for pretty much any map except Shuyal. Since the guide is geared towards Shuyal farming, I gave a build most efficient & effective for just that.

In a timed run, the rules are different, but you'd still need traps and veil for Shuyal elite records.

The truth is, there's a time and place for both strategies but I can pretty much guarantee that for Elite Shuyal farming, this is the most effective & efficient build that one can get.

[AL_Newbie]

respec'ed with this layout and I'm liking it. Just need to stop charging the traps and figure out how to setup traps... lol overall I like ur guide Zeus just little more practicing laying traps

[Zlolouux]

Good guide. Very helpful thanks.

[notfaded1]

Hey Azi

I only charge nox for grouped up mobs, but with whims, that's usually all the time & why charged nox is more efficient for me.

I'd say ur whims I saw the other day definitely help :^}
And thank much for your guide. There's definitely more than one way to play the game. I suppose your guide is making me rethink a few things for sure.

[notfaded1]

Nice guide - thumbs up.
Please dont get offended - It just feedback.

I wish all classes should included in this guide.

To make best guide out of this you need to actually PuG with legendary gear and play with PuG players(to know their skill lvl)

Skill build for every class depends on person/team skill lvl, strategy and class combination

What new player(who never did shuyal) expect in guide then?

Pulling/luring strategy for each pac with screenshot/video.
(I suggest divide guide into two section
Guide for individual map
Guide for spec, gear and pets for individual class.)

General spec PuG spec(which one you included)

Minor details like- new players are really clueless about these stuff.
kill blue mages first asap as rogue - so they dont target smurfs
always clocked lured enemy
as mage stay at max range and dps
If tank it pt use dagger otherwise bow
even as tank try to avoid blue mages/wolf red zone so u dont get stun locked
smurf stop getting one shot by blue mages bcoz u r not avoiding blue mages red aoe
if two mages in pt hammer mobs from both side so most mob get stun locked
tank dont stand in blue area created by blue mage
wait until tank lure and then drop clock
never scatter lured enemy by using wind skill
never heal in elite as mage- by doing it u pull agrro from tank and its annoying for tank.
use support pet like ribbit, ethyl, orion when required
this list is very long - I can goon like this....but u got my point

Why do u really care abt nox box? It has stacking DoT dmg - just spam nox in thick crowd, even if same enemy hit by nox it doesnt matter. As rogue I should focus on deadly mob first so using nox box I cant do that.

I prefer razor over shadow veil. Razor gives me straight aoe dps+ survival.
In pro party veil is very effective - not with new players.
I dont agree with place veil away from mobs. IMO place veil into the lured mobs and everyone stand into it so tank also get benefit, smurfs just stand little bit behind the tank so they wont get melee hits by mobs. For most boss fight veil is kind of useless bcoz of movement.

For new players : When you get little bit familiar with maps no need to afraid from anything- dont be scared to touch those mobs. With good ping my legendary gear rouge can tank ferix in blue puddle when I use dagger+mali+razor+peirce spec. I always encourage people to try harder stuff(do crazy pulls, solo elite etc.) and die so they know their limit and understand better. That also improve skill lvl.

Note: I m legendary gear rogue so all above feedback is according to that. With mythic+arcane playstyle and strategy(it just zerg everything) might change.

I appreciate this other play style as for me this was also more my style of play but I'm learning to get zeus's strategy down now that I'm spending more time in Shuyal Elite.

[notfaded1]

Haha, my build doesn't include a razor shield. Honestly, I think razor shield is a highly overrated skill. It hits a lot of enemies and shows a lot of yellow so you think you're doing a lot of damage. Sadly, are you really? Especially against high armor'd elite shuyal mobs? Not really.

What I meant by that was, in Shuyal, Razor Shield's purpose is lost. Those mobs hit HARD. The last thing you want to do as a rogue without a tank is to throw up a razor shield and then put yourself in the middle of those mobs.

IMO, my build is more versatile in that regard and in to fully utilize a razor shield build, you need a tank to absorb the amount of aggro that razor shield generates.


It's a good skill, just that in Shuyal, there are better skills to be used. I'm saying this after running on a hooks + shield build. The amount of aggro that I generated required a damn good tank to compensate. In the end, it wasn't worth it as the damage wasn't even greater anyways.

This is exactly what i'm finding out now... the razor in the mob at this level isn't working like it did all the time before.

[phillyr]

Very nice starter guide. If u guts r running with an inexperienced mage, suggest that he drops clock as soon as the trap pulls. That way all mobs are grouped and much easier to widdle the health down. Its a great starter guide, make your own tweaks to fit your playstyle.

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[nikolajus112]

Finally created rogue alt so rode this tut, not bad at all but ik some more tips :3 which makes runs rly easyer. But this tutorial good too!

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[notfaded1]

Finally created rogue alt so rode this tut, not bad at all but ik some more tips :3 which makes runs rly easyer. But this tutorial good too!

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I would be interested in hearing these other tips nikolajus112! If it makes shuyal elite runs even easier lets hear about it... I know I'm game?

[ghosthspear]

Its nice to know it can help me tnx zeus

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[Serancha]

I would far rather have the additional damage from Shadow Veil than have a skill with an excessive cooldown time like razor, which actually steals the aggro from your warrior, making you need the dodge buff it gives. Shadow veil allows your tank to do his job, while you dish out your boosted damage. If you are running without a tank, then the 20% armour buff will help keep your team alive.

I agree with Zeus in that there are times when charging nox is appropriate. It doesn't slow down your aimed stack, and the benefits it gives outweigh the short delay from charging. Use pierce instead? You hit one target - hard - but the cost is that your other skills are forced into cooldown, so you have a delay before you can continue hitting. I adore pierce - it is great for sniping and kill shots, but when faced with a large dogpile of mobs, it is not the appropriate choice.

Builds and strategies for timed leaderboard runs are designed on the assumption you are running with the most highly skilled and geared players in the game. Things that work best with these exclusive leaderboard players are not always realistic for a legendary geared player who doesn't have seasons of experience and a pro team. You need to account for the fact that most of the people you run with will NOT have read the guide, will not have optimal builds, and will not consider party ability before pulling the ENTIRE map of mobs to one place and causing mass hysteria.

This is an excellent guide for 95% of players to run elite. The other 5% - you don't need a guide to know what to do (although sometimes being a bit more open minded to different techniques might actually make for better results )

[AL_Newbie]

with the new expansion should you update for the next 5 skill points or just drop it in int?

[notfaded1]

with the new expansion should you update for the next 5 skill points or just drop it in int?

Actually a bunch of us... including Parth (zeus) I believe are and have actually been running with a modified version of this before expansion even hit which included maxing out crit now as well... I'd put points in crit before more in int if you have the points first :^}

[notfaded1]

I would far rather have the additional damage from Shadow Veil than have a skill with an excessive cooldown time like razor, which actually steals the aggro from your warrior, making you need the dodge buff it gives. Shadow veil allows your tank to do his job, while you dish out your boosted damage. If you are running without a tank, then the 20% armour buff will help keep your team alive.

I agree with Zeus in that there are times when charging nox is appropriate. It doesn't slow down your aimed stack, and the benefits it gives outweigh the short delay from charging. Use pierce instead? You hit one target - hard - but the cost is that your other skills are forced into cooldown, so you have a delay before you can continue hitting. I adore pierce - it is great for sniping and kill shots, but when faced with a large dogpile of mobs, it is not the appropriate choice.

Builds and strategies for timed leaderboard runs are designed on the assumption you are running with the most highly skilled and geared players in the game. Things that work best with these exclusive leaderboard players are not always realistic for a legendary geared player who doesn't have seasons of experience and a pro team. You need to account for the fact that most of the people you run with will NOT have read the guide, will not have optimal builds, and will not consider party ability before pulling the ENTIRE map of mobs to one place and causing mass hysteria.

This is an excellent guide for 95% of players to run elite. The other 5% - you don't need a guide to know what to do (although sometimes being a bit more open minded to different techniques might actually make for better results )

I totally concur with this... veil like nox rocks charged on harder mobs like shuyal and above. And right again about about veil... watch how quickly, players in the know, will jump right in ur veil when it comes up around hard hitting mobs! :^}

[AL_Newbie]

Actually a bunch of us... including Parth (zeus) I believe are and have actually been running with a modified version of this before expansion even hit which included maxing out crit now as well... I'd put points in crit before more in int if you have the points first :^}

I put the 4 points I have in critical Thx!