Nice guide - thumbs up.
Please dont get offended - It just feedback.
I wish all classes should included in this guide.
To make best guide out of this you need to actually PuG with legendary gear and play with PuG players(to know their skill lvl)
Skill build for every class depends on person/team skill lvl, strategy and class combination
What new player(who never did shuyal) expect in guide then?
Pulling/luring strategy for each pac with screenshot/video.
(I suggest divide guide into two section
Guide for individual map
Guide for spec, gear and pets for individual class.)
General spec PuG spec(which one you included)
Minor details like- new players are really clueless about these stuff.
kill blue mages first asap as rogue - so they dont target smurfs
always clocked lured enemy
as mage stay at max range and dps
If tank it pt use dagger otherwise bow
even as tank try to avoid blue mages/wolf red zone so u dont get stun locked
smurf stop getting one shot by blue mages bcoz u r not avoiding blue mages red aoe
if two mages in pt hammer mobs from both side so most mob get stun locked
tank dont stand in blue area created by blue mage
wait until tank lure and then drop clock
never scatter lured enemy by using wind skill
never heal in elite as mage- by doing it u pull agrro from tank and its annoying for tank.
use support pet like ribbit, ethyl, orion when required
this list is very long - I can goon like this....but u got my point
Why do u really care abt nox box? It has stacking DoT dmg - just spam nox in thick crowd, even if same enemy hit by nox it doesnt matter. As rogue I should focus on deadly mob first so using nox box I cant do that.
I prefer razor over shadow veil. Razor gives me straight aoe dps+ survival.
In pro party veil is very effective - not with new players.
I dont agree with place veil away from mobs. IMO place veil into the lured mobs and everyone stand into it so tank also get benefit, smurfs just stand little bit behind the tank so they wont get melee hits by mobs. For most boss fight veil is kind of useless bcoz of movement.
For new players : When you get little bit familiar with maps no need to afraid from anything- dont be scared to touch those mobs. With good ping my legendary gear rouge can tank ferix in blue puddle when I use dagger+mali+razor+peirce spec. I always encourage people to try harder stuff(do crazy pulls, solo elite etc.) and die so they know their limit and understand better. That also improve skill lvl.
Note: I m legendary gear rogue so all above feedback is according to that. With mythic+arcane playstyle and strategy(it just zerg everything) might change.
Last edited by bhutkeyur; 12-29-2013 at 04:45 AM.
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Great points! There were just a few things I disagreed on:
1. I use nox box because there's no aiming system in the game. So, if the mages that you are targeting don't get hit when they need to, then you've just wasted some time. I'll try a run with legendary gear later and see if nox box is still effective. If it isn't, of course your method will be better.
2. Yes, obviously one should place veil on top of the mobs. But, that's accounting for if the tank is good. Majority of the time, it isn't. Even then, you are risking being easily killed by purple pools - something which are hard to notice in a thicket of mobs. Plus, if you get stunned in the purple pool, your DPS considerably drops. Thus, that's why I said that veil should be placed away from grouped mobs. If you can use it effective to kill the mobs faster, then tanking for the tank won't be a problem.
The rest of your points, I will add into the guide when I can! Thanks for constructive feedback, it's highly appreciated.
Last edited by Zeus; 12-29-2013 at 11:45 AM.
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Great guide
Zeus is correct here....generally, charged Nox is the way to go. The only consideration on whether to charge or not is based upon how tightly grouped mobs are. If your Nox can affect the maximum number of targets, then charge it, otherwise, uncharged will suffice.
Nox hits for approximately 150-175 DMG per second spread over 6 mobs - that's 900-1050 DMG per second total. Aimed, may hit for 1.5 - 1.8k (perhaps more based upon your DMG) when critting.
So, in the 2 seconds it takes for Aimed to cool off, you can achieve the same or even more overall DMG. Better yet, Nox stacks, so a party of rogues can keep feeding Nox yielding a total of 2700 - 3150 DMG per second (assume at least one tank or Sorc). So, if you charge Nox, use Aimed and either Pierce or Traps, your overall damage output is substantially higher.
Another point of consideration is that Nox is consistent damage, regardless of target armor. Nox, unlike every other skill, also can deal damage to shielded bosses like Bael in Rooks Nest or Overgrowth when he closes up. A combination of George stunning Overgrowth just prior to him closing and subsequently launching Nox means an easy elite boss kill.
Best part of Nox is that you can use it as your killing blow; that way, you aren't wasting time, or mana, killing mobs when they get to 2-3% HP. Instead, you can focus your attention on other mobs that have higher health and not burn mana with an Aimed Shot on a mob that has maybe 300 HP left.
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Lets say nox do 150 dmg/sec. Its total 150x6sec= 900 dmg. You forgot other 5 mobs on which DoT is tickling so 900x total 6 mobs = 5400 dmg(one really hard hitted aimed - not every aimed shot hit like 5400) of one charged nox shoot by only one rogue. If 3 rogue in pt then 5400x3 rogue = 16200 dmg.
Btw that nox DoT dmg is for good geared rogue - normal gear rogue nox hit like 100 per tick(Just tested on shuyal elite skeleton) without pet. Their aimed shot also do dmg according to their gear.
Last edited by bhutkeyur; 12-29-2013 at 05:19 AM.
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Nice job Zeus!
Good guide! I will ignore the part about not running into the mobs with a razor shield LOL
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Haha, my build doesn't include a razor shield. Honestly, I think razor shield is a highly overrated skill. It hits a lot of enemies and shows a lot of yellow so you think you're doing a lot of damage. Sadly, are you really? Especially against high armor'd elite shuyal mobs? Not really.
What I meant by that was, in Shuyal, Razor Shield's purpose is lost. Those mobs hit HARD. The last thing you want to do as a rogue without a tank is to throw up a razor shield and then put yourself in the middle of those mobs.
IMO, my build is more versatile in that regard and in to fully utilize a razor shield build, you need a tank to absorb the amount of aggro that razor shield generates.
It's a good skill, just that in Shuyal, there are better skills to be used. I'm saying this after running on a hooks + shield build. The amount of aggro that I generated required a damn good tank to compensate. In the end, it wasn't worth it as the damage wasn't even greater anyways.
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More than well put together Pollo...ups uso.
Doubters: A properly preformed NoxBox does not interfere with the benefits of Aim Shot.
Pollo: I have found success in utilizing the Trap/Razor combo in Shuyal. Takes some deaths to get use to, but worth it if you're a close range fighter. In addition, I think it's best to drop Veil over the mobs all the time. Many ppl forget that Veil is also a debuff (reduces damage and hit chance).
Last edited by Zuzeq; 12-30-2013 at 11:55 AM.
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Well if noob like me can survive with razor+ribbit - u can too Play on PC for quickest pot spamming
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Nice guide esp after that farm yesterday haha
My build atm would be aimed,nox,sp and veil (that's why every time i hope the other rogue in party has traps lol ) it's not a problem i can change but it's like ur at the lottery, u never know what ur gonna get .
As for charging skils i think it depends on maps/mobs/bosses. I charge veil and nox in big mob pulls and i don't charge nox at boss......so it depends.
I guess every rogue has it's preffered build and skill......SSSSSsooo.....what ever works for u and ur team
Have fun and good luck ^_^
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