selfish? yes i am and i have the right to be. Just like people who had founders helm dont want everybody to have one.. you dont just say oh u had enough time to enjoy it and take it away.
selfish? yes i am and i have the right to be. Just like people who had founders helm dont want everybody to have one.. you dont just say oh u had enough time to enjoy it and take it away.
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You can't stop about forunders helm can you?Originally Posted by ImHawk
So many times we repeated, how different those 2 matters are. I can only agree, that you have full right to be selfish person. As well as you have right to be choleric, rude, bad, good-natured or kind... thats your choice. Talking about "exclusive rights" for item like elite ring is only may show which of previous choices you picked.
theres no end to this argument
people who have the rings will disagree and people like you who are trying to snatch the ring will agree to your hearts content... after all you guys dont have anything to lose on the other hand we have something at stake
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100%agree
^ I have 2pc rings on 2 character, just to clarify what is my peronal state in this matter. Yes, I honestly admit, that aplying this would bring me bigger benefits than to you, 3pc ring guys. Well, let's be frank and say, that almost none for you. I absolutely agree that grinding such a xp for some vanity only isn't worth for everyone. But actually 2pc ring is also pretty good and I'd loose my advantage to those who has none atm. Does this bother me? No.
But some you old folks only think about yourselves and that's what bothers me and makes me sad. None of you ever replied or countered my multiply repeated argument, that you were having benefits for years. Years of being top and above others. After going ahead Argyros's play, You would obviously still be top. Just not above others, at least in case of rings.
Don't consider that as your loose, but as others gain, thats the positive point of view. I disagree that all people having rings now would hate this idea. I know many of them, who are wishing for others.
Perhaps I just can't feel into your position, however I think I tried. Perhaps the feeling owerpower is to addictive to share at least some part of it with others. Perhaps I judge you wrong for actig like you do... I don't know, but I believe its not like that.
There is no end to this argument? First off, you assuming this is an argument(which apparently it is now, but be can do it formally), and you assuming no one has found a solvent. Well, as I have stated, I have an elite ring already. This is a classic example of a, "ad hominem," fallacy. If you don't know what that is, here is a definition-
ad hominem: Latin for "to the man." An arguer who uses ad hominems attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.
" and people like you who are trying to snatch the ring will agree to your hearts content..."
What is at stake? The pain of seeing players grind for a ring that you both worked for equally?
Cheenivie, as an old time Xplicit officer, I am wondering why you don't see the fault in his post? No one can control the laziness of others, I can't control myself not being able to cap at nuris because by the time I was near the cap, Mt. Fang came around.
(No, this is not a flame post, and I'm as tranquil as a narwhal swimming in the ocean ^^)
Argument: an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.
how is this not an argument?
I disagree with your solution.
Can't I express my thoughts?
I posted what I believe to be right
It looks to me that you quoted, agreed, and thanked people who agreed with ur thoughts and criticized most people who disagreed with you.
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People who are int Mage with 3 piece actually do very well vs bears with no cap ring. Pallys aren't tricky they're luck with 3 piece. They can dodge hell get pulled in hit with crushing and SMS they heal it off while they debuff and tank a bear while they wait for hs to reload. Or more often then not they dodge hs and pull so even if SMS hits they can heal and tank. Only if all hs SMS pull and other skills hit does it become tricky, but then they heal and the luck cycle starts all over again.If I'm int, and I'm wearing 3piece, and I'm versing you, don't cry cause I'm wearing 3piece, I would say bears are still op against int mages with 3 piece even if you don't have any ring, you still have a platinum ring. And you can still crush me if you know how to play a bear. Other whys good luck
But when it comes to str, 3 piece pallies are tricky :3 bears on the other hand, with 3 piece, are unbeatableno chance for an int Mage unless you have a perfect ping and some luck, and have some experience versing bears
You should like it as a bear, that extra 6 dodge isnt all that much even though you have 42+ and a fair amount of health
Also to everyone else who only claims the reason more people don't have cap rings because they were too "lazy" to do so is a speculation. I gather only a handful of people didnt feel like grinding that much while others who might have just joined the game late and couldn't cap 2-3 if they wanted to because it was too late.
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I know you don't need a three piece to be good, but it sure helps. No doubt about that. And I agree with each had there choices after the 56 cap, but I think he means for the new people, who joined this cap or prior cap. Even I wish I had capped, I'm a founder, but 56 I didn't know there was gonna be a bonus, 61 I didn't have a device to play on, 66 I capped, 71 I was in the hospital with some pretty life changing stuff, (no I was not in the whole time but a game was the last thing on my mind.), and 76 I was back to cap again. Sometimes it's not saying "It's too much xp I'm not gonna cap." Yet life wouldn't allow it. That's just my case tho. And I don't mean to be offensive.
I have not "criticized" one single person in this thread, except you. That is, if we go by the definition below-
Criticize- to find fault; judge unfavorably or harshly.
I believe I criticized you for a very legitimate reason as well. Here is the quote-
Three posts, using the the bare minimum of 3 letters, posting the exact same thing, is pointless. I do not want to have to handle idle posts on a non-troll thread. If you were serious (I'm not doubting you) then you could have just thanked one of the previous, "I do," posts.
I am fine with people disagreeing with my idea. Each post for me takes about 15-30mins to write. For the people who have agreed with my post, I just thank them. As much as I would really like to quote them, I save that for the people who are controversial, or have questions.
People may disagree, but I can't control that. I can provide them with all the facts and proof as I can muster in text and images however. Speaking of which, if you have another question, or possible problem with my suggestion, feel free to post it, ImHawk.
Elite XP! A temporary but possibly permanent end to a new Pl cap?
I could care less if people had founders, and I have one. And what are they taking away from you? Nothing, they are giving everyone a chance to catch up to you item wise. And if it really doesn't help in pvp, why don't all the 3PC people not use them? You scared?I'm kidding obviously haha, but you see my point hopefully. I have a 2 ring on my mage, and when I take it off, there is a Notable difference. It requires more skill to not die and more attacks to kill. If I can notice the difference on a 2pc, I can imagine the difference on a 3PC dragon ring toon. People can say "It doesn't help" but it does. It gives a winning advantage. A pally with no ring vs my int mage with no ring is a joke, I can kill them easy. But a pally with 3PC dragon vs my 2PC is just dumb. They do enough damage to kill me with 2 skills and an auto, let alone the dodge factor.
Edit: This was a test I did with a pally friend of mine. I'm not just saying it. No ring vs no ring I won, and when he equipped the ring he had, 3PC dragon, and when I equipped the ring I had, he won 70% of the time, I would estimate.
Last edited by Stevenmc; 01-22-2014 at 08:25 PM.
i never said it doesnt help in PvP that was angeldawn, you can go ahead and find all my comments,Ive never said that...
learn whats going on instead of accusing people
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We are not against you bro. Steven was just adding to the usefulness of a 3pc in pvp, and how much it helps.
This is a really crucial part of his post.^I could care less if people had founders, and I have one. And what are they taking away from you? Nothing, they are giving everyone a chance to catch up to you item wise. And if it really doesn't help in pvp, why don't all the 3PC people not use them? You scared?
Thanks for reiterating this, Steven.
giving everyone to catch up just isnt fair...
might as well give everyone to have a chance at getting the egg so they can "catch up"
sometimes life isnt fair..
if you miss your opportunity thats that....
not trying to make STS available to you because you were either to lazy to cap or you came late
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That post wasn't just about what you said, I just quoted yours because it was the first thing I responded to, and I'm on a phone, it's terrible trying to multi quote. I wasn't accusing you, it was a general post. Sorry!
Dang, I ran out of thanks. Is it just me, or are the same things being said over and over again by Argyros? Lol.
The thing is, we still have an opportunity, it's called new caps. Just atm we can't get them, and no new caps are around. A 3 piece ring is not an exclusive item, the vanities are, the ring is not, as somewhere in the future it is obtainable. We simply were saying if we did the same amount of work, maybe more, to get a 3PC ring as it already took, it would make the "elite" obtainable by all. The vanities would stay exclusive, saying you did it when you did. And define came late? It's not like this game is a class that you have to be at at 8AM. It is a game, and when was the last time you saw it on the top lists or featured in the App Store? A long time. So people find it whenever they find it. It's not their fault for "coming late."
Exactly.The thing is, we still have an opportunity, it's called new caps. Just atm we can't get them, and no new caps are around. A 3 piece ring is not an exclusive item, the vanities are, the ring is not, as somewhere in the future it is obtainable. We simply were saying if we did the same amount of work, maybe more, to get a 3PC ring as it already took, it would make the "elite" obtainable by all. The vanities would stay exclusive, saying you did it when you did. And define came late? It's not like this game is a class that you have to be at at 8AM. It is a game, and when was the last time you saw it on the top lists or featured in the App Store? A long time. So people find it whenever they find it. It's not their fault for "coming late."
yes so wait patiently for the cap..The thing is, we still have an opportunity, it's called new caps. Just atm we can't get them, and no new caps are around. A 3 piece ring is not an exclusive item, the vanities are, the ring is not, as somewhere in the future it is obtainable. We simply were saying if we did the same amount of work, maybe more, to get a 3PC ring as it already took, it would make the "elite" obtainable by all. The vanities would stay exclusive, saying you did it when you did. And define came late? It's not like this game is a class that you have to be at at 8AM. It is a game, and when was the last time you saw it on the top lists or featured in the App Store? A long time. So people find it whenever they find it. It's not their fault for "coming late."
they came late so what? STS: oh i feel terribly sorry here is a founders helm and all the vanities that you missed out on
erm no
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I understand that not everything is fair. This thread is not meant to find new ways for a player to obtain an egg. The egg won't last because it is a l76 item, new items may come. Rings will always be important.
The same players don't always have to stay above everyone else. Is that what you want? Is that what you think is fair? Letting older players stay above regular players stat-wise? Forever? That is exactly what will happen.
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