Dual Spec Guide.

**Ellyidol** · 12-01-2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Htiek

@Nightarcher
ty the data
have u try, once u using rift gear with 164 str(153+11) and respec -6 str to 158 str, it still using the gear, but base str is 114

@Ellyidol
i have idea, if put the 22 point to dex for pally, maybe a help for the hit% in pvp?

When you respec, don't all your equips come off though?

Yeah I can see the use of extra dex. Dex seems to be the only stat worth adding to.

**DanielRH** · 12-01-2010, 05:29 PM

Hey ellyidol, this is great! Mind if I use some parts in the guides next update?
The credit of course will go to u

**Nightarcher** · 12-01-2010, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Htiek

@Nightarcher
ty the data
have u try, once u using rift gear with 164 str(153+11) and respec -6 str to 158 str, it still using the gear, but base str is 114

Well the whole point is to be able to switch between Rift and Void without respeccing. So that wouldn't work.

**Ellyidol** · 12-01-2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by DanielRH

Hey ellyidol, this is great! Mind if I use some parts in the guides next update?
The credit of course will go to u

Not a problem.

its out here for public use.

**Nightarcher** · 12-01-2010, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Nightarcher

Ok, I did some actual testing with full Osiris and a Zuraz Plasma for max strength and here are my results:

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If using 120 Str, you need +7 helm and sword at least, but you MUST have +8 armor and shield. I tried with +8 sword and armor but +7 shield, and it mathematically works out, but doesn't actually work.

This is my final data. I was thorough and don't believe I left any lower possibility out. Screenies later today of the final setup

Ok here you go. Picture of me naked, then with Str boost, then with rift.

If further clarification for anyone is needed, feel free to ask.

**Ellyidol** · 12-01-2010, 07:34 PM

So I'm guessing the Rift loadout counts the Helmet +4 before you even equip it, making your strength 154?

Then it does with the weapon, so 154 + 4 = 158 meaning you can equip everything. Possible?

**Nightarcher** · 12-01-2010, 07:58 PM

That's part of it, but not all. It's more complicated, because you can dual with a +7 weapon and a +8 armor and shield, but will not succeed with a +9 sword and a +7 armor and shield, or a +8 sword and one +8 of the armor and shield.

**Ellyidol** · 12-01-2010, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Nightarcher

That's part of it, but not all. It's more complicated, because you can dual with a +7 weapon and a +8 armor and shield, but will not succeed with a +9 sword and a +7 armor and shield, or a +8 sword and one +8 of the armor and shield.

Okay very weird. I can't wrap my head around a definite order of load outs or possible combinations anymore. Lol.

**Arterra** · 12-01-2010, 09:00 PM

i wish i knew exactly HOW my mage can get away with NO HELM on the int booster...

details: when i try getting a khafra helm of thoth in it, it allows it after everything else is put on. but if i save it and load with savestate, i will not be possible to put on. This proves the helm is the first thing counted in requirements, and maybe at same time stat bonuses.
can i hassa testing of equipping order? i got a hunch on how to test, but honestly dont know for sure or really have time.

**Ellyidol** · 12-01-2010, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by Arterra

i wish i knew exactly HOW my mage can get away with NO HELM on the int booster...

details: when i try getting a khafra helm of thoth in it, it allows it after everything else is put on. but if i save it and load with savestate, i will not be possible to put on. This proves the helm is the first thing counted in requirements, and maybe at same time stat bonuses.
can i hassa testing of equipping order? i got a hunch on how to test, but honestly dont know for sure or really have time.

I have a theory in mind too, and align with your helm first one. I'll try it out later if I have plat to spare for respecs

**Nightarcher** · 12-01-2010, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Arterra

i wish i knew exactly HOW my mage can get away with NO HELM on the int booster...

details: when i try getting a khafra helm of thoth in it, it allows it after everything else is put on. but if i save it and load with savestate, i will not be possible to put on. This proves the helm is the first thing counted in requirements, and maybe at same time stat bonuses.
can i hassa testing of equipping order? i got a hunch on how to test, but honestly dont know for sure or really have time.

I know for a fact that you are correct, because in my loadout sets I can have level 45 armor and shields but need lower level weapons and helms because it won't let me quick-equip.

And my best guess is that the helmet is counted first, but the others do have an order and some say in the matter too.

**Pharcyde** · 12-01-2010, 11:25 PM

Dualing is soo easy how is this much debate still going on

. Its quite simple to figure out the best dual builds. This is Mine, higher str for survivability. Int will always only need 125 MAX to equipt everything.

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**Ellyidol** · 12-02-2010, 12:54 AM

@^

Strength is no problem definitely.

Int though, it goes from 125 to 157 meaning 32 int from your boost gear? Is it 4 8's now? I'm basing my guide from pre balance stats so I'm using 4 7's as boosters.

**Lesrider** · 12-02-2010, 01:44 AM

I think there's some glitch now that allows you to equip cosmos/rift with less than 154 of either. I managed to get both working with 152 and 153 from lower level equipment (half of which are purples).
So people really shouldn't be having this much trouble.

**Ellyidol** · 12-02-2010, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Lesrider

I think there's some glitch now that allows you to equip cosmos/rift with less than 154 of either. I managed to get both working with 152 and 153 from lower level equipment (half of which are purples).
So people really shouldn't be having this much trouble.

Agree. There's some weird calculations still.

Hopefully the guide just gets the idea and starts them off though. Newer players probably wouldn't or can't be bothered with all those complicated stats of you guys (like me) :P

**TwinkTastical** · 12-02-2010, 11:57 AM

my dual 20 int/pally is pretty fun.. im posting this to check my new sig.

**Lesrider** · 12-02-2010, 08:02 PM

Ugh I think I shouldn't have said anything. Looks like they may have fixed the glitch in the last update. My str loadout for 153 doesn't work anymore. Can't equip my rift now

Anyone else encounter this problem?

**Nightarcher** · 12-02-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lesrider

I think there's some glitch now that allows you to equip cosmos/rift with less than 154 of either. I managed to get both working with 152 and 153 from lower level equipment (half of which are purples).
So people really shouldn't be having this much trouble.

Go back and look at all the testing I did.

The minimum boosted Str is 150. With the right items