[Achievement]: Crafting Arcane Ring

[Ravager]

Example.

Someone finally has 150 teeth. Just needs to get crafted ring now.
Hey can I borrow your shard real quick to craft?
Scammed. Just like Midas. Its a variant of Midas. You could say collateral this and that but people will still try to do this and it will happen. Moreso because an AP is there.

Having that AP created will anger lots of people. They want something obtainable and within reach.

[Uicheusa]

Yes! No car other than Ferrari should be allowed on the street!

[Rare]

I personally would not like to see any more achievements based on arcane or mythic items

[falmear]

They need to add more APs then just two more. Everyone on the LB is already capable of getting an arcane shard and crafting it into a ring. So its not going to accomplish anything adding just two more AP. Add like 10 or 20 new APs. Adding just two more, is pointless. More shards will be available in the weeks and months to come. Its not a hard achievement to buy a shard and craft it into a ring. If you have these two APs it should be as part of many more APs. Having these APs won't do anything for separating people on the leaderboard. And farming 150 teeth is like 2-3 weeks of work so this AP is also rather meaningless. And craft the ring is also easy.

To restate its is okay to have these APs, but only if they also add in more APs then just these 2. These two suggested APs are easy to get for anyone already on the LB. And in a few weeks time we will be back to the same scenario. Midas touch didn't change anything except people scamming their friends.

[Zeus]

Example.

Someone finally has 150 teeth. Just needs to get crafted ring now.
Hey can I borrow your shard real quick to craft?
Scammed. Just like Midas. Its a variant of Midas. You could say collateral this and that but people will still try to do this and it will happen. Moreso because an AP is there.

Having that AP created will anger lots of people. They want something obtainable and within reach.

The thing is, that person who has the shard will also need the AP. So, technically, yes it can be borrowed but it's a one time thing.

Honestly though, I just want some APs that are difficult and cannot be bored. If you can suggest some, that would be great!

[Solid]

-1 not all people can afford such an item..

[Zeus]

Yes! No car other than Ferrari should be allowed on the street!

That metaphor/hyperbole is not even close.

Your meaning would mean that only arcane and mythic'd up players would be allowed to play the game. I'm sure that's not what you meant, right?

The other option is that only top players will be on the top player leaderboard. Well, that just makes sense...doesn't it? It's called top for a reason.

[Zeus]

-1 not all people can afford such an item..

That's entirely the point. If all can be able to get it immediately, then it becomes a PVE kill board.

[Solid]

That's entirely the point. If all can be able to get it immediately, then it becomes a PVE kill board.

But a good % of people will not be able to get the ring, idling them from the board.

I think you speak as a person who WILL be able to get the ring/recipe but you are not thinking about the people who can't....

If the AP board difference was big, like 2k-3k difference this would have been a great idea, but the board is very close with a difference of 100 points.

[Zeus]

But a good % of people will not be able to get the ring, idling them from the board.

I think you speak as a person who WILL be able to get the ring/recipe but you are not thinking about the people who can't....

If the AP board difference was big, like 2k-3k difference this would have been a great idea, but the board is very close with a difference of 100 points.

I have 15,100 APs with none of the major flag APs done, nor do I plan to. Truly, I have no interest in getting on the leaderboards - it's a waste of time for me when a timed run can accomplish the same thing.

If they want it, they can work towards it. Crafting is a one time thing, it's not like the Midas Touch which can be lended.

Top means best in all aspects, right? Wealth is an aspect too.

On that note, I think PVP kills should be included as well. I believe you suggested that, correct?

If it's the only difficult AP, as Falmear said, then it poises a problem. However, if other equally difficult APs are introduced, then it shouldn't be a problem.

[Solid]

I have 15,100 APs with none of the major flag APs done, nor do I plan to. Truly, I have no interest in getting on the leaderboards - it's a waste of time for me when a timed run can accomplish the same thing.

If they want it, they can work towards it. Crafting is a one time thing, it's not like the Midas Touch which can be lended.

Top means best in all aspects, right? Wealth is an aspect too.

On that note, I think PVP kills should be included as well. I believe you suggested that, correct?

If it's the only difficult AP, as Falmear said, then it poises a problem. However, if other equally difficult APs are introduced, then it shouldn't be a problem.

Are you implying that wealth makes someone " a better player " or that a person who doesn't have wealth shouldn't deserve a shot at top player?

Because no, wealth isn't an aspect of being at the top reason being wealth can be bought, you can't buy skill or flags.

I don't think where your counterargumy is headed...

[xlovableaze]

How would it turn the game into a money race? Right now, all the overall leaderboard is is an extension of the PvE leaderboard.

There are arcane APs, why can there be an AP for crafting an arcane item? The only leaderboard it would change is the Top Player leaderboard - something which should be more than just maxed out APs and most kills to get on.

A recipe would be non-tradable, so you have to do the work yourself. The rich who payed others to get the ring will be forced to work hard as well.

I say this as a shard holder. It won't even affect me because I still won't be on leaderboards (nor do I care about being on them).

However, it is a good AP for those who require an extra challenge. Crafting a ring IS a challenge. You can be rich enough to buy the shard, but very few people in the game posses the capability of grinding out both the shard and the recipe.

I disagree for this ap. What about those people that doesnt have money? But skilled player? Only rich ppl can afford arcane shard. Imo theres other way to have a hard ap. And there is no other way to get that shard but use plats to open crates

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[Zeus]

Are you implying that wealth makes someone " a better player " or that a person who doesn't have wealth shouldn't deserve a shot at top player?

Because no, wealth isn't an aspect of being at the top reason being wealth can be bought, you can't buy skill or flags.

I don't think where your counterargumy is headed...

Yes, it does because wealth gets you gear.

I believe you find this meme familiar?


@Lovable
What about the people who do not bot all day? You know the leaderboard is screwed up lately. I'm not saying this should be the only difficult achievement, but I am saying that this should be A difficult achievement in the midst of many other varieties of difficult achievements.

Wealth plays a part in anything and everything. It's a fact of life and freemium MMOs are not something that are excluded.

[Bless]

I disagree, it edges to the P2W side....

Those opening crates will get shard -> get ring
Those already rich will get shard -> get ring
Those who scam or trick newbies will get shard -> get ring

Your suggestion doesnt suit the people on LB because only money (and just a few days of mindless spammin of buttons) is needed to get the ring, therefore it cannot be a true achievement (similar to arcane ap).

Your idea makes getting Rendtails ring a necessity for the people going for top player LB, the whole point of arcanes is to make it a goal, not necessary though.

It is really controversial.

[gumball3000]

Its impossible to bot the 10k flags so your bot race argument is invalid.

[falmear]

The thing is, that person who has the shard will also need the AP. So, technically, yes it can be borrowed but it's a one time thing.

Honestly though, I just want some APs that are difficult and cannot be bored. If you can suggest some, that would be great!

No they don't. This is how it will go down:

1) Victim: OMG! I just looted an arcane shard.
2) Friend: Dude, I need arcane ring crafting AP. I will give you 5m if you let me craft it to a ring. And I will give you the ring back.
3) Victim: You promise to give me the ring back?
4) Friend: Of course!
5) Friend changes name and never to be heard or seen from again.

For some people a few million is worth more then a few AP points. So I am pretty sure if there was this AP someone will get scammed. If we are serious about APs, then they need to add more work based APs like flagging. And more APs where you need to do them in elite. Like killing elite bosses. Or finishing maps in a certain period of time. You can't fake those.

[falmear]

Also the cynic in me sees this as an attempt to try and drive up the price on the arcane shard. Because if crafting the shard to a ring is an AP a lot more people will want it and pay a lot of money. Hmm, who said they had a shard?

[Zeus]

Also the cynic in me sees this as an attempt to try and drive up the price on the arcane shard. Because if crafting the shard to a ring is an AP a lot more people will want it and pay a lot of money. Hmm, who said they had a shard?

Sorry, that's not the case.

If you want to know my plans with my shard, here they are:

• craft it
• If Moe's offer is legit, I will sell it to him. Otherwise, I will keep it and enjoy being OP. I still have enough leftover cash/investments to be relatively set for the next few things STG throws at us.

[Zeus]

No they don't. This is how it will go down:

1) Victim: OMG! I just looted an arcane shard.
2) Friend: Dude, I need arcane ring crafting AP. I will give you 5m if you let me craft it to a ring. And I will give you the ring back.
3) Victim: You promise to give me the ring back?
4) Friend: Of course!
5) Friend changes name and never to be heard or seen from again.

For some people a few million is worth more then a few AP points. So I am pretty sure if there was this AP someone will get scammed. If we are serious about APs, then they need to add more work based APs like flagging. And more APs where you need to do them in elite. Like killing elite bosses. Or finishing maps in a certain period of time. You can't fake those.

That's a valid situation and thank you for bringing it to light!

Do you have any suggestions for difficult APs? If we make just collecting dragkin teeth an AP, it can be botted.

[Zeus]

Its impossible to bot the 10k flags so your bot race argument is invalid.

It actually is very possible. Sorry, you're mistaken. I would show you how because I know how to do it and result in 70+ flags an hour, but I am not about to tell the forum community how to glitch.