A Note About the Elondrian Bulwark

[Remiem]

Hey Legends! I have seen a few threads discussing the low damage of the new mythic weapon for warriors, the Elondrian Bulwark.

Basically, this is as intended. Unlike high damage weapons like the Glaive, the Bulwark is a tanking weapon and trades high damage for high armor. This gives some choices to players, so they can pick a weapon appropriate for the way they want to play. If you're a tank, pick up the Bulwark. If you're running offensive with high damage, another weapon might be better for you.

I hope this clears things up a bit! Feel free to leave further feedback below.

[tharidom]

Problem is that the bulwark is cheap and the glaive isn't:/.

[cindersx]

Problem is that the bulwark is cheap and the glaive isn't:/.

How is that the problem?

[tharidom]

How is that the problem?

She talking bout high dmg weapons LIKE the glaive (yes like but still) but the glaive is like 16-18mill and the bulwark was 3.8mill yesterday, so the normal class people can't afford the dmg weaps.

[Hectororius]

I sold my glaive and use the Claymore now. If you PvE, there's no difference.

Since they are looking for ways to improve the Bulwark without necessarily making too OP or outside its intended purpose, It would be nice to see some straight HP boost added, say 50-100 extra Health similar to the increases offered by other elondrian armors and gear.

Comparisons to other similar Sword & Boards show that this is barely better than the conquistador Wall of Potency, but time will tell how well the Procs play out in real world use.

[tharidom]

I sold my glaive and use the Claymore now. If you PvE, there's no difference.

The glaive still is stronger and looks super cool.

[keikali]

She talking bout high dmg weapons LIKE the glaive (yes like but still) but the glaive is like 16-18mill and the bulwark was 3.8mill yesterday, so the normal class people can't afford the dmg weaps.

Then buy a Claymore of Assault. The proc makes it competitive with the Glaive.

I've used the Maul, Glaive and Claymore and I can say Claymore is good for the money.

The glaive still is stronger and looks super cool.

Then don't question about the stats if you're purely looking for aesthetics.

[tharidom]

Then buy a Claymore of Assault. The proc makes it competitive with the Glaive.

I've used the Maul, Glaive and Claymore and I can say Claymore is good for the money.



Then don't question about the stats if you're purely looking for aesthetics.

Have considered buying the assault version but it has dmg and that's it the will version does better on (almost) all other levels.

[keikali]

Have considered buying the assault version but it has dmg and that's it the will version does better on (almost) all other levels.

I use the of Will version and its great. And when it procs, which is pretty often, the display looks pretty cool with fire. I would pick one up now if you're looking for a PvE/PvP weapon and you're on a budget.

[tharidom]

I use the of Will version and its great. And when it procs, which is pretty often, the display looks pretty cool with fire. I would pick one up now if you're looking for a PvE/PvP weapon and you're on a budget.

Already have one for quite a long time but I prefer my goblin glaive over it.

[Volt]

Bulwark has a every low heal from when I used it because of the damage. I didn't seem to like that coming from a tanking weapon

[Legallyblonde]

I don't know alot about wars and stuff but I remember seeing a guy with the bulwark when it was brand new. He had 7k+ hp and (I might be over shooting this) 3k+ armor. In PvE a tank should sacrifice damage for defenses. Also someone said above that Bulwark lacks HP so wouldn't it make sense to gem a Bulwark with Elondrian life shards? For maximum damage sponging capabilities.

P.S. I think it's appropriate to say Wars with Bulwark that sacrifice damage for defense aren't Tanks anymore. Instead they should be called Walls.

[Kakashis]

Yeah I totally agree with devs on this one. Elites need more tanky tanks, but the introduction of this weapon during a time where elite loot isn't that great makes it kind of redundant. Create some elite II insane maps with gears that surpass ursoths and magmatic gun/bow would make bulwark more appetizing. As it is, most tanks I know don't see a point in upgrading their tank status when there's nothing that would push them hard enough to make it worth their while. I don't even want to get into how elite runs are dwindling down already at mid season.

[Crowsfoot]

I don't know alot about wars and stuff but I remember seeing a guy with the bulwark when it was brand new. He had 7k+ hp and (I might be over shooting this) 3k+ armor. In PvE a tank should sacrifice damage for defenses. Also someone said above that Bulwark lacks HP so wouldn't it make sense to gem a Bulwark with Elondrian life shards? For maximum damage sponging capabilities.

P.S. I think it's appropriate to say Wars with Bulwark that sacrifice damage for defense aren't Tanks anymore. Instead they should be called Walls.

You can't get 3k armor. You can get almost 2.8k with an arcane ring and Abby as a pet.

7k HP is currently impossible without an arcane ring or a high HP pet.

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The Bulwark has LESS DPS than a conqueror's wall, a legendary shield weapon. Shouldn't a mythic weapon have at least the same or similar DPS and damage to its legendary counterpart? The pavise had more, not less. If you add 20-30 damage and/or DPS to the bulwark it still has LESS than a magmatic claymore of will by a large margin.

We don't want the Bulwark to be competitive with the glaive in damage and DPS. We want it to be competitive with a LEGENDARY SHIELD in damage. It currently isn't. Its weak procs also add to the complaints.

[Serancha]

Why should it be competitive with it's legendary counterpart?? It's a mythic weapon. That means it is supposed to be substantially better than a legendary item that is available to anyone for under 50k.

[Crowsfoot]

Why should it be competitive with it's legendary counterpart?? It's a mythic weapon. That means it is supposed to be substantially better than a legendary item that is available to anyone for under 50k.

Exactly. The bulwark has more armor and HP than a conqueror's wall but less DPS (by 20-30 depending on the type) and similar Damage (less, depending on the type).

The conqueror's wall is under 3k no matter which you buy.

The pavise had MORE damage, armor, HP, and DPS than any legendary shield upon release. Not to mention the percentage of more HP and armor WAS GREATER than that which the Bulwark shares with the conqueror's wall.

[Saribeau]

You can't get 3k armor. You can get almost 2.8k with an arcane ring and Abby as a pet.

7k HP is currently impossible without an arcane ring or a high HP pet.

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The Bulwark has LESS DPS than a conqueror's wall, a legendary shield weapon. Shouldn't a mythic weapon have at least the same or similar DPS and damage to its legendary counterpart? The pavise had more, not less. If you add 20-30 damage and/or DPS to the bulwark it still has LESS than a magmatic claymore of will by a large margin.

We don't want the Bulwark to be competitive with the glaive in damage and DPS. We want it to be competitive with a LEGENDARY SHIELD in damage. It currently isn't. Its weak procs also add to the complaints.

Why should it be competitive with it's legendary counterpart?? It's a mythic weapon. That means it is supposed to be substantially better than a legendary item that is available to anyone for under 50k.

this. I like the devs idea, since I like living thru clashes more than getting kills, just buff the proc and most ppl with be happy.....or at least I will.

[Serancha]

Nobody wants to run with a warrior who does no damage. Period. Running with warriors already slows things down, making dps teams more frequent than parties with a warrior. This weapon as it stands now is going to further alienate the warrior class from the dps people, causing further issues in party gameplay.

It doesn't need to be glaive-like in damage, but it needs to have enough oomph to make having a warrior an asset to a run, rather than a dead weight. Honestly, most of the rogues and mages I know leave a run when they see a sword/shield warrior. This is a mythic weapon, let's make it actually beneficial to use it.

[Eski]

The problem is ,u only need tank weps like that one in elite.. and nobody wants to run elite atm cause u cant make a good profit

[Ebezaanec]

^^ Yep.. Elites are not worth the effort to run.

Quite frankly, I am just buying entangled chests, crafting them and logging off. The event has declined in my eyes.