NativeX Fraud Resolution | Official Discussion Thread

[Remiem]

Recently, Spacetime Games CEO Gary Gattis made the following announcement about the NativeX Fraud situation in Arcane Legends: http://www.spacetimestudios.com/show...aud-Resolution

Please use this thread to discuss and ask questions. The Spacetime team will do their best to address all of your concerns.

If you have been banned and have concerns about your account in particular, please contact support by going to support.spacetimestudios.com and clicking "Contact Us" to submit a ticket. For the promptest assistance possible, please select "NativeX Ban" as the reason for your inquiry.

[Woundedwarrior]

Thank your for taking care of this problem. Will NativeX be back eventually or is there gonna be a whole new way to earn plats? Im a player who doesnt spend money on this game and this was my one way i could open lockeds or buy pets with plat. It would be great for people like me if u guys did but i would rather not have plat then people abusing the system.

[Justg]

Thank your for taking care of this problem. Will NativeX be back eventually or is there gonna be a whole new way to earn plats? Im a player who doesnt spend money on this game and this was my one way i could open lockeds or buy pets with plat. It would be great for people like me if u guys did but i would rather not have plat then people abusing the system.

We won't even consider re-implementing NativeX until they address the fraud issue. That being said, we are working right now to provide you with quality alternatives asap.

[Madnex]

Sounds good but from my knowledge, the worst offenders are using alternative emails, convert the platinum to gold and move it either through another alternative account (or friend) to their main account. This is not only done through trades, it's also done by listing items in the auction house (with main account) for several hundred times their value in order to safely purchase the said item with the alternative account as no one else would think to buy it. Also, they delete the alternative emails after the process and some are even using different devices to stay untraceable.

So my question is, can the research team dig deep enough into this? What about the platinum that has been "converted" to high-end locked chest items which have then been moved or sold? And lastly, why would you announce this instead of completing the action first? An expected and logical reaction from whoever participated in this fraud would be to immediately move his gold and items to a different account after reading this, resulting in extra work for the research time or possibly the offender getting away with it.

[Remiem]

Sounds good but from my knowledge, the worst offenders are using alternative emails, convert the platinum to gold and move it either through another alternative account (or friend) to their main account. This is not only done through trades, it's also done by listing items in the auction house (with main account) for several hundred times their value in order to safely purchase the said item with the alternative account as no one else would think to buy it. Also, they delete the alternative emails after the process and some are even using different devices to stay untraceable.

So my question is, can the research team dig deep enough into this? What about the platinum that has been "converted" to high-end locked chest items which have then been moved or sold? And lastly, why would you announce this instead of completing the action first? An expected and logical reaction from whoever participated in this fraud would be to immediately move his gold and items to a different account after reading this, resulting in extra work for the research time or possibly getting away with it.

The bans were indeed completed before we made the announcement. As for digging deep to find the main account of the culprits, we did spider out and ban any accounts associated with the devices of known scammers. In other words, if you had an account that was in any way connected to a plat farming account, it was also removed.

[Madnex]

The bans were indeed completed before we made the announcement. As for digging deep to find the main account of the culprits, we did spider out and ban any accounts associated with the devices of known scammers. In other words, if you had an account that was in any way connected to a plat farming account, it was also removed.

Thanks for the reply! What about deleted accounts though, are their IP/device ID/chat/trade logs saved for at least a certain time window and then removed or they're deleted the moment the user deletes the account? I'm emphasizing on this question because 90% of the hyperinflation on high-end items was caused by that last group --the heavy offenders-- and it's well known that they've done this in order to escape possible bans. So if the spidering out was based just on whoever logged through that device before, it won't really affect them since another common means they utilize is device factory reset.

There's no need to answer the specifics of this question in public, I'm just making sure you're aware of that information in order for all this plat-farming counteraction to be actually effective. Thanks.

[Justg]

Thanks for the reply! What about deleted accounts though, are their IP/device ID/chat/trade logs saved for at least a certain time window and then removed or they're deleted the moment the user deletes the account? I'm emphasizing on this question because 90% of the hyperinflation on high-end items was caused by that last group --the heavy offenders-- and it's well known that they've done this in order to escape possible bans. So if the spidering out was based just on whoever logged through that device before, it won't really affect them since another common means they utilize is device factory reset.

There's no need to answer the specifics of this question in public, I'm just making sure you're aware of that information in order for all this plat-farming counteraction to be actually effective. Thanks.

We're aware, thanks.

[wariortheturk]

Sounds good but from my knowledge, the worst offenders are using alternative emails, convert the platinum to gold and move it either through another alternative account (or friend) to their main account. This is not only done through trades, it's also done by listing items in the auction house (with main account) for several hundred times their value in order to safely purchase the said item with the alternative account as no one else would think to buy it. Also, they delete the alternative emails after the process and some are even using different devices to stay untraceable.

So my question is, can the research team dig deep enough into this? What about the platinum that has been "converted" to high-end locked chest items which have then been moved or sold? And lastly, why would you announce this instead of completing the action first? An expected and logical reaction from whoever participated in this fraud would be to immediately move his gold and items to a different account after reading this, resulting in extra work for the research time or possibly the offender getting away with it.

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[raw]

Thank you so much, Gary/Remiem!

This has been a HUGE problem over the past year, and I'm extremely glad that this has been removed from the game. Please look into whether the TrialPay system can be abused in a similar way...
Also, as stated above a lot of players used alternate accounts and multiple devices, so is there any way that you can track the IP addresses of accounts linked with platinum farmers? The reason I say this is because people have been abusing VPN, where they change the IP address of their device so they can receive different offers. (if i understand this correctly). If you track IP addresses, you will be able to see who has been either an extremely frequent flier (which is doubtful), or who has been abusing this way of plat farming, also.

Anyway, keep up the great work. The economy will begin to equalize itself now. =D

[Appeltjes]

Go remove trialpay for being useless pls.

[Higuani]

This means also a "clean" up in leaderboards. Nice job sts. Get them all.

[Appeltjes]

This is very serious, I remember one day a friend told me that he had lied to Nativex, telling him that he had not received the download 120 platinum, but really only he must to get 4 platinum and soon Nativex added 120 platinum his account, that too is considered farming platinum. I think the Nativex should implement other system where maked case study, for example, ordering the IP of the device or other things that make the claim.

Sorry for my bad english xd

Then your friend is lying, nativex can also see how much platinum they have to reward for an offer.

[octavos]

Wow...O.O i'm just in shock.that this even has to be posted.

I see what Mr.Gattis is saying..but how is that a players fault that they will get banned. It's not the players fault that offers award the players (All the time XD)..so thats why they kept doing them. Even tapjoy has that problem (i'm not farming there offers...considering i like to earn stuff )...with the current game i'm playing is Dead Trigger 2. Many don't use forums..and many will get some unpleasant surprises. But i'm not here to argue the decision to ban players, but to im here to see the reasoning behind the madness.

As for the plat scam..i'm glad its being looked into. But I dont think its an easy fix for many players since there isn't 1 service thats reliable...Either the offers work..and award you all the time..or they dont...I wish you guys luck on finding a new service for people to use.

Maybe like dead trigger 2...there has to be a way to do a daily mission that is account based (1 gold daily in this case 1 plat)..but im sure anything exploitable....will be exploited XD. unless tools are developed to detect an exploit....like cashing in the plat and a low level and then do a trade of gold. (then they get a nice popup...like do this again and you will get a perma-ban )

[Remiem]

Wow...O.O i'm just in shock.that this even has to be posted.

I see what Mr.Gattis is saying..but how is that a players fault that they will get banned. It's not the players fault that offers award the players (All the time XD)..so thats why they kept doing them. Even tapjoy has that problem (i'm not farming there offers...considering i like to earn stuff )...with the current game i'm playing is Dead Trigger 2. Many don't use forums..and many will get some unpleasant surprises. But i'm not here to argue the decision to ban players, but to im here to see the reasoning behind the madness.

As for the plat scam..i'm glad its being looked into. But I dont think its an easy fix for many players since there isn't 1 service thats reliable...Either the offers work..and award you all the time..or they dont...I wish you guys luck on finding a new service for people to use.

Maybe like dead trigger 2...there has to be a way to do a daily mission that is account based (1 gold daily in this case 1 plat)..but im sure anything exploitable....will be exploited XD. unless tools are developed to detect an exploit....like cashing in the plat and a low level and then do a trade of gold.

The way we see it, we made multiple warnings that plat farming as a serious and bannable offense, and some people chose to continue doing it. For those that weren't doing it egregiously, the ban is only temporary and they will be able to come back to the game. But there were some offenders that the severity of their scamming just could not be ignored and they needed to be permanently banned. We are working on finding quality alternatives to earn free platinum soon. As with anything, there's always the possibility of exploit. It's just our job to make sure to shut it down if that happens. Thanks for your suggestions, octavos!

[octavos]

The way we see it, we made multiple warnings that plat farming as a serious and bannable offense, and some people chose to continue doing it. For those that weren't doing it egregiously, the ban is only temporary and they will be able to come back to the game. But there were some offenders that the severity of their scamming just could not be ignored and they needed to be permanently banned. We are working on finding quality alternatives to earn free platinum soon. As with anything, there's always the possibility of exploit. It's just our job to make sure to shut it down if that happens. Thanks for your suggestions, octavos!

I know i have been errr...annoyed lately but im sorry "Just quit smoking-Cold Turkey" So if I offended any devs..Im sorry, I love the game thats why I post

But one thing that will and can be in your power, is that anything that doesn't trigger a "red flag" but having an automated system that will award them the plat...not just by logging in and doing a mission..thats where the issue lies (because many have alts and many accounts using different emails). but someone who earns, and spends money on your game..which can be a ton of factors (EG: doing offers spends, spending real money, daily activity, the characters level and earning habits in-game, no profanity triggers in 3-5months, the list can go on and something to keep the players guessing just like the drop rates in-game) ...but something like a daily login..that is monitored by you guys..and awarded randomely..so its like a nice surprise. and not something that can be figured out...and be planed for.

[Rare]

Wow...O.O i'm just in shock.that this even has to be posted.

I see what Mr.Gattis is saying..but how is that a players fault that they will get banned. It's not the players fault that offers award the players (All the time XD)..so thats why they kept doing them. Even tapjoy has that problem (i'm not farming there offers...considering i like to earn stuff )...with the current game i'm playing is Dead Trigger 2. Many don't use forums..and many will get some unpleasant surprises. But i'm not here to argue the decision to ban players, but to im here to see the reasoning behind the madness.

As for the plat scam..i'm glad its being looked into. But I dont think its an easy fix for many players since there isn't 1 service thats reliable...Either the offers work..and award you all the time..or they dont...I wish you guys luck on finding a new service for people to use.

Maybe like dead trigger 2...there has to be a way to do a daily mission that is account based (1 gold daily in this case 1 plat)..but im sure anything exploitable....will be exploited XD. unless tools are developed to detect an exploit....like cashing in the plat and a low level and then do a trade of gold. (then they get a nice popup...like do this again and you will get a perma-ban )

Come on Ghost...

"Man... I just keep doing these offers over and over and over. I know STS charges money for this platinum, but this must be ok!!! Yeehaw. *back to farming plat*"

Come on. Common sense has FINALLY prevailed here. All these people go what they deserved.

[octavos]

Come on Ghost...

"Man... I just keep doing these offers over and over and over. I know STS charges money for this platinum, but this must be ok!!! Yeehaw. *back to farming plat*"

Come on. Common sense has FINALLY prevailed here. All these people go what they deserved.

if it was common sense..then why isn't it more common, freeway drivers in the USA know what Im talking about lol.... IRL its not so common XD lol. Kids/Adults even struggle with that all there life. Im sure if an offer that is awarded, and it pops up again...wouldn't you do it again if it gave it to you the 1st time? i'm sure this was the mentality of many. But I used real dinero, so I never did a free offer. I only purchased it during a sale.

as for what they deserve....doing an offer hundreds of times....yea... thats abuse XD and hopefully the games they play they will stop.

[Rare]

Im sure if an offer that is awarded, and it pops up again...wouldn't you do it again if it gave it to you the 1st time? i'm sure this was the mentality of many.

Yeah. but that isn't what happened. This isn't what got people banned. When I do free downloads for plat, I know there are some that have already been done. If those pop up again. I'll do it again. Its happened before. This ban is not for that. This ban is for people that are using 3rd party software to get something extra. Every single one of those people know they shouldn't be doing it.

[octavos]

Yeah. but that isn't what happened. This isn't what got people banned. When I do free downloads for plat, I know there are some that have already been done. If those pop up again. I'll do it again. Its happened before. This ban is not for that. This ban is for people that are using 3rd party software to get something extra. Every single one of those people know they shouldn't be doing it.

well, since im no spring chicken I know what the devs and you mean but not to elaborate on how its done... yes..a nice "boot" to the street always alleviates the situation XD. as for they shouldn't be doing it... yes bud I agree.

[scarysmerf]

I agree with that most games have a daily log in reward like gems.if they did daily rewards that would help non plat
Users have some open a lock and maybe loot a mythic or arcane.