Tindirin Wilds Changes

[Serancha]

Sorry, I have to say this because it's a huge pet peeve - the class is ROGUE. Rouge is a kind of makeup, and / or the color red in French.

In any case, warrior issues in PvE need to be addressed - there's a whole lot of different reasons, but basically runs take way longer with a Fatty, so why would anyone want to take one?

[Xorrior]

In any case, warrior issues in PvE need to be addressed - there's a whole lot of different reasons, but basically runs take way longer with a Fatty, so why would anyone want to take one?

^^ Agrees.

I love this game, I love playing it, but don't force me and others out based on unreasonable game mechanics.

[karrdath]

Also with the decreased pull radius it really messes things up in the last map of nord. When you get flung a ridiculous amount aways from the mobs. You go outside the area and mobs reset.

[Ravager]

Good evening,
I havent ran the new tindrin map but even without running it the recent scenario is that tanks are generally unwanted as we slow down parties, as pointed out, a tank's purpose in elite runs is almost obsolete, it would be great if STS can evaluate the warrior skills and from my experience.
Modesty aside i believe that my gear is rather maxed and i have one of the rare crit build warrior set ups which can reach 50crit at 700dmg with 800dps and thats with elix but in no way am i as efficient as a medium geared rogue.
Though i understand giving warriors more crit and dmg wont solve the problem the points mentioned on allowing wars to debuff mons and bosses can be the next way to evolve out class. I may be mistaken but if i remember correctly there was a time when chestsplitter was able to cancell boss special attacks either that or the feeble upgrade was just that effective this is like an option for pve runs.
I sincerely hope that sts looks into this.
Thanks for reading
Maarkus

Agreed. I have what's to be a considered max/near max warrior too but my friends and guildmates always tell me to switch to my rogue. My rogue is not fully geared, yet preferred.

[Jazzi]

Just did elite wilds. It had been a long time I did this with tombs, events and everything. The pull zone of mobs is really funny (not in the good way). If this is implemented for all maps it could make some of them pretty bad (due to inability to park). Anyways About the tanks: at max gear I could imagine that they are not needed. At low to mid gear they are very useful actually, especially in tombs and arena (no protection lix, which changes things a lot). I have the feeling that mobs scale differently when there is a tank present though. They just take longer to kill, but maybe this is just wrong perception.

Anyway I think that the main problem is in the skills of the warriors. I have a lvl 31 tank (experience gain stopped), which has pretty much maxed gear for his lvl, except arcane maul and I find him unbearably slow to play. Dude takes forever (perceived as compared to my lvl 41 rogue and mage) the bosses in the story quests?!? Dude has over 300 damage. Dunno what is wrong with him.

[ueveotadeo]

Thank you guys for sharig my concern.

I realy hope devs take this in consideration and give us some utility in end game again

[ilhanna]

I'm a rogue and I hate the new mob arrangement as well. It makes Tindirin looks like Brackenridge. With the previous arrangement I could use the mobs to show guildmates of every class how to coordinate and rotate skills and it was fun even on the normal map. Now it's meh, no challenge.

[mlb2005]

Maybe rogues have to much armor? When something starts hitting them it should send them running. The most powerful attackers should drop like flies without protection from the tanks and mages. Just my opinion.

[Jazzi]

Maybe rogues have to much armor? When something starts hitting them it should send them running. The most powerful attackers should drop like flies without protection from the tanks and mages. Just my opinion.

Oh believe me rogues with legendary and semi-mythic gear are running, as they get one or to hit by most of the mobs in elite tindirin. It is just those with truly maxed gear (1% of the population)that are not and the problem there, If u can call it a problem, is that they have 5 k health, relatively high armour and in many of the instances protection lix is used.

[Xorrior]

Bumped just for the Devs

[utpal]

I really dnt know y even warrior exist here LOL.
to heal party? XD there's cheap potion.
and being a warrior and getting one shot in elites or tombs like rogue and mage sucks.

in PL and SL, tanks are so usefull.
Bears are OP tank in PL.
then SL Commando

AL warriors comes no close. to above. and
here Rogues are beast.

now tthese Tindirin Wilds. Always favouring rogue.....EVERYTIME.

[Xorrior]

I really dnt know y even warrior exist here LOL.

This is the question I've been asking myself a lot lately. Do I invest further in a useless character, do I go rogue (which I really don't want to) or do I just give up after completing the new expansion.

Imma see what the new expansion brings and any changes that are positive for the warrior class, if any.

[Rx8]

I understand what you say, on a not so good geared PT it can be helpfull to still have them on PT, which might be most of the cases tbh now that I think on that....

But in a more hardcorea and geared PT there is realy no need for warrs....

I love warriors and my braggadocio warrior bRo. Also tanks are the best class for elites and i dont get it why ppl dont value them, they allow more survival of mages and rogues with HoR. They have amazing capabilities to park which a mage can do but for a very short period. Tanks are known to survive longer than any other class. Their high hp and armor helps them to survive. I personally have seen u skippleggaday but i have no idea about how u play as tank i heard that u are a great tank to have! tanks are fierce wars who can panic. can sts buff their chances of panicing their enemies in pvp? I feel that 1/4 CS isnt so good for elites.

As for mages, we can literally blow the heck out of mobs in a normal dungeon in solo and multiple ppl. I personally stun lock my target through gale and fireball allowing me to kill them fAster. I have tried other classes and was impressed with all of them. Mages need more stuns in elites. I dont think we can stun much.

[extrapayah]

yeah, and increase rally cry AoE range, add more party buffs to mage's skill

[Hadec]

Good evening,
I havent ran the new tindrin map but even without running it the recent scenario is that tanks are generally unwanted as we slow down parties, as pointed out, a tank's purpose in elite runs is almost obsolete, it would be great if STS can evaluate the warrior skills and from my experience.
Modesty aside i believe that my gear is rather maxed and i have one of the rare crit build warrior set ups which can reach 50crit at 700dmg with 800dps and thats with elix but in no way am i as efficient as a medium geared rogue.
Though i understand giving warriors more crit and dmg wont solve the problem the points mentioned on allowing wars to debuff mons and bosses can be the next way to evolve out class. I may be mistaken but if i remember correctly there was a time when chestsplitter was able to cancell boss special attacks either that or the feeble upgrade was just that effective this is like an option for pve runs.
I sincerely hope that sts looks into this.
Thanks for reading
Maarkus

good points bro..

[Madnex]

1. Make Axe Throw pull all bosses without exceptions.
2. Make the aggro snatching skills' effect ABSOLUTE throughout skill's duration.
3. Include stronger party buffs.

[GoodSyntax]

1. Make Axe Throw pull all bosses without exceptions.
2. Make the aggro snatching skills' effect ABSOLUTE throughout skill's duration.
3. Include stronger party buffs.

Sorry, but that's not enough to convince me to run with tanks all the time. Give me debuffs....and lots of them.

The issue isn't so much that we need tanks to hold aggro all the time (which even average tanks are capable of doing), rather, having tanks in party isn't as helpful as it was back in Kraken and Nordr. Now, having a tank in party means the run will take longer.

Most DPS classes are looking for farming efficiency (since we all know it is exceedingly difficult to make any positive cashflow from farming alone). If having a tank means you get in one or two less runs during a reroll elixir, then, most would agree that it isn't a worthwhile tradeoff.

Having a tank shouldn't slow you down, it should just open up different strategies.

[Kingofninjas]

I totally agree with everything said here. Somebody suggested giving tanks the ability of 1 if their skills to apply a 50% armor debuff on boss. I think it is a great idea.

This sort of idea has already been implemented in the maul, which even today has the best proc of any weapon in the game. Recently I ran arena with 3 rogues including myself and a maul tank. 1 of the rogues was maxed out, with ring and amulet but both of the other rogues were lacking ring and 1 was lacking amulet too (me). We had a mauler with us and guess what? Our runs took about 5 minutes on average, depending in arena effect. I don't think a fourth rogue wudve im proved the time taken. He/she may not worsen but it definitely would not have been improved. The only difference would be the number of ankh and pots spent per run. Anyways, as I was saying with a mauler the runs were sufficiently fast for me to actually want a tank in our party. Thing is, not all tanks can afford a maul and the tank in our party at the time was pretty much standing in 1 spot spamming auto attack, throwing out a horn to keep aggro and a ss to move to where the boss was, but that's about it. Instead of making tanks pay 9-10m for this skill, add it to windmill as an upgrade.

[Madnex]

50% armor debuff is too much of a game changer. Half the time that takes to kill a boss? Then we complain about useless hordes of pinks and nothing to farm? Not even going to mention PvP (assuming this is purely a PvE discussion).

Maybe a restriction like no more than two of each class members per run.

[aquascaper]

1. Make Axe Throw pull all bosses without exceptions.

*Pulls Rendtail* xD