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    Default enlighten me: 100hp or 100 armor?

    Im talking pvp wise here. Ive been hearing people saying 100hp is better than 100armor, i used to believe armor is better as it makes me last longer in clashes but then again i never really focused on getting my hp past 6.5 (im at 6.3hp and 2.36k armor). I need input from those warriors in pvp, ty in advance.

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    Some AA pet reduce armor and to my knowledge no AA pet reduce HP... so i think HP better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnophobik View Post
    Im talking pvp wise here. Ive been hearing people saying 100hp is better than 100armor, i used to believe armor is better as it makes me last longer in clashes but then again i never really focused on getting my hp past 6.5 (im at 6.3hp and 2.36k armor). I need input from those warriors in pvp, ty in advance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Madnex View Post
    HP. Check that chart in my signature links for specifics.
    Pure mathematical point of view:

    you have 2,36k armor => 56,72% dmg reduction
    x = enemy points of dmg which he has to reach to kill you

    1) @100 HP (=total of 6400 HP)
    x = (100*6400)/43,28
    x = 14787,4
    calculate 10% armor reduction from rogues Aimed Shot (25% from Axe Throw):
    x = (100*6400)/48,952
    x = 13074 (11138,2)


    2) @100 armor (100 armor is approx 2,5% dmg reduction)
    x = (100*6300)/40,78
    x = 15448,7
    calculate 10% armor reduction from rogues Aimed Shot (25% from Axe Throw):
    x = (100*6300)/46,702
    x = 13489 (11333)
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    Correct but from a couple fast calcs when I broke down the specifics a while ago I had found it depends on min-max of possible dmg taken (in a single hit). So unless you're getting hit for ~5k, it appeared that HP > Armor on 1:1 ratio comparison. That's why I generally advocate HP.

    Jirik is an knowledgeable warr though so his results are trust-worthy.

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    I think Newcomx has a good point with armor debuffs, since there is no health debuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newcomx View Post
    Some AA pet reduce armor and to my knowledge no AA pet reduce HP... so i think HP better.
    Quote Originally Posted by carmine_blade View Post
    I think Newcomx has a good point with armor debuffs, since there is no health debuff
    You are right! I forgot to calculate Aimed shot 10% debuff and Axe Throw 25% ---> previous post has been corrected
    Quote Originally Posted by Madnex View Post
    Correct but from a couple fast calcs when I broke down the specifics a while ago I had found it depends on min-max of possible dmg taken (in a single hit). So unless you're getting hit for ~5k, it appeared that HP > Armor on 1:1 ratio comparison. That's why I generally advocate HP.
    Itīs for sure that it depends on single hit? When I make formula of overall dmg taken:

    100x + 2500x + 100x + 1200x = overall dmg taken


    where x is dmg reduction multiplier, I can write also:

    (100 + 2500 + 100 + 1200).x = overall dmg taken

    every small hit can be calculated as one big single hit

    3900.x = overall dmg taken

    Itīs 6:30 a.m. for me and Iīm still sleeping, so I can be simply wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirikjurasek View Post
    Pure mathematical point of view:

    you have 2,36k armor => 56,72% dmg reduction
    x = enemy points of dmg which he has to reach to kill you

    1) @100 HP (=total of 6400 HP)
    x = (100*6400)/43,28
    x = 14787,4
    calculate 10% armor reduction from rogues Aimed Shot (25% from Axe Throw):
    x = (100*6400)/48,952
    x = 13074 (11138,2)


    2) @100 armor (100 armor is approx 2,5% dmg reduction)
    x = (100*6300)/40,78
    x = 15448,7
    calculate 10% armor reduction from rogues Aimed Shot (25% from Axe Throw):
    x = (100*6300)/46,702
    x = 13489 (11333)
    This ^ ^ nicely done

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirikjurasek View Post
    You are right! I forgot to calculate Aimed shot 10% debuff and Axe Throw 25% ---> previous post has been corrected


    Itīs for sure that it depends on single hit? When I make formula of overall dmg taken:

    100x + 2500x + 100x + 1200x = overall dmg taken


    where x is dmg reduction multiplier, I can write also:

    (100 + 2500 + 100 + 1200).x = overall dmg taken

    every small hit can be calculated as one big single hit

    3900.x = overall dmg taken

    Itīs 6:30 a.m. for me and Iīm still sleeping, so I can be simply wrong
    This ^ ^ nicely done

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    in twinks level2-18, 100amor is a huge impact than 100hp, just saying ^__^ i guess it defends on scale level.

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    Armor>Hp

    I'm so fresh

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    Don't know how you make the formula, but do comparison with this please:
    1. A warrior with 6k health 3k armor.
    2. A warrior with 7k health 2k armor.
    If the constant damage taken here is 500, which one will be defeated first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpmyname View Post
    in twinks level2-18, 100amor is a huge impact than 100hp, just saying ^__^ i guess it defends on scale level.
    All of the math used was enlightening, but, I would go with 100 hp past level 15 because other players would be using skill points to upgrade armor debuffs. Pets vary; higher level skills don't. Below level 15, I would go armor, all day.

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    Armor vs hp
    By personal experience both should be balanced
    At level 46 for a tank you should have 2.4-5k armor with 7k hp
    I mean its recomended if want to call your self a tank..
    Other wise normal avrage rouges now have 1.6-1.8k armor with 3.5-4k hp and they are avrage rouges...
    And for shure whenever you enter in a pvp map there you always find a pro rouge with 4-5k critical hit and 1.8K+ armor with 4.5k+ hp its high chance cause most of the rouges are pro now having a arcane ring and and a nekro is not that hard now...
    So if want a chance against a rouge in pvp better get good gears bro its a sugestion cause ..
    I know cause generally crit me 60/70% in just 1 combo and i have a 7.7k hp and 2.65k armor

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    I would say mend your Hit Points 'cause many rouge weapons cause armor break (and further bleed).
    When in the middle of a tough fight, a handful more of hit points can be critical. You either make a kill or get yourself killed.

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    just set my goal to 6.5k hp and 2k armour for lvl 46 warr tnx for the advice guys(^u^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saribeau View Post
    All of the math used was enlightening, but, I would go with 100 hp past level 15 because other players would be using skill points to upgrade armor debuffs. Pets vary; higher level skills don't. Below level 15, I would go armor, all day.
    for 100HP 2700HP + 750 armor
    for 100armor 2600hp + 850 armor

    if your opponent hits you a normal attack the 100hp will be gone within 2-3 1hits. but with 100 armor your 100hp maybe have a chance to hits you more like 3-4 because of damage reduction by armor. thats my understanding 100def > 100hp.
    Last edited by hpmyname; 09-09-2015 at 09:04 PM.

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