Lowering Dodge Rates For Bears

**Budapest** · 04-13-2015, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gregjoob

cb is dmg and dodge debuff not hit% c:

Said that already.

**represents** · 04-13-2015, 03:55 PM

eh sometimes its bs about the bears dodge when it goes like 10 dodges in a row when i pvped with a talon -_-

**Budapest** · 04-13-2015, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by represents

eh sometimes its bs about the bears dodge when it goes like 10 dodges in a row when i pvped with a talon -_-

Bird's dodge at endgame is even worse. Pure Dex Swift Birds dodge more than Savage Bears.

**represents** · 04-13-2015, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Budapest

Bird's dodge at endgame is even worse. Pure Dex Swift Birds dodge more than Savage Bears.

Yea i have swift set and mine does not dodge as much for a reason

**Itoopeo** · 04-13-2015, 04:51 PM

Well I played against 73 str fox with my 73 beastly bird and all i had to do is keep moving and rooot him he couldnt do anything.

He wrecked mages hard tho

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**Jyuu1205** · 04-13-2015, 11:11 PM

Lol I am so stuck at 56 pvp, I have no clue on how to beat bears with sm set / bt set or any dodge sets they are using.

**Budapest** · 04-13-2015, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jyuu1205

Lol I am so stuck at 56 pvp, I have no clue on how to beat bears with sm set / bt set or any dodge sets they are using.

Check out my guide, and just apply it to Lv.56 Mage with a Charming Set.

**Ssneakykills** · 04-14-2015, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by Jyuu1205

Lol I am so stuck at 56 pvp, I have no clue on how to beat bears with sm set / bt set or any dodge sets they are using.

As a Mage? Bears aren't that hard for mages imo just kite and keep your distance

**Etarbitrev** · 04-14-2015, 04:10 AM

Name a level where bears dont have the potential to be OP when they have all skills.

**Budapest** · 04-14-2015, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Etarbitrev

Name a level where bears dont have the potential to be OP when they have all skills.

Name four for Mage.

As for your question, I will say Lv.25, Lv.30, Lv.45, & Lv.61.

**Itoopeo** · 04-14-2015, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Budapest

Name four for Mage.

As for your question, I will say Lv.25, Lv.30, Lv.45, & Lv.61.

No. Your answer is wrong. I have bears at those levels. All are OP

**Budapest** · 04-14-2015, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Itoopeo

No. Your answer is wrong. I have bears at those levels. All are OP

So do I. What is your definition of "OP"?

**Etarbitrev** · 04-14-2015, 02:04 PM

Over powered is my definition. The point I was getting at is I'd happily nerf all my lower lvls for a general bear nerf to stop lust bear being OP.

**Draoscao** · 04-14-2015, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Budapest

I was quite sure this thread was about Bears, but nevertheless, that's just the game. It takes skill to overcome disadvantages, if it didn't, why would we play this as other classes with "OP Bears" going around? Foxes can still beat STR Bears, and kill Dex/Int Bears easily. I don't understand where you get, "You cant hit him, and he can hit you. No escape." from... Foxes have a 90% Hit Buff, I repeat, A 90% Hit Buff. That's probably the most OP Buff there is in the game. Foxes can hit anything and everything, and if they hit hamstring, it's impossible to ever miss, even if they're pure STR, not to mention they can run as fast as speed orbs(Yellow) whenever they feel. Lowering Bear's critical rate from rage is somewhat reasonable, however it's completely unfair to those bears(I) who do not use OP STR Sets with quite OP Damage. Taking away crit will also completely change lower levels of PvP, where the Bears aren't quite as "OP".

A bit is true, you said that it's impossible to ever miss but the savage/lust bear usually has their dodge buffs up. And for you to hit that hamstring is very unlikely and even if you do hit that hamstring. You ony debuff -40% dodge i mean that's alot but bears can get 90+ dodge and they would still have a fair 50 dodge and usually dodges 80% of all the hits you deal. I personally tried engame as a full dex fox (76) and savage fox (76). It's true that foxes can kill str bears because i killed them but there were many occasions where i just got beckon stomped and died. I also agree on your point that if you remove the critical hit from bears the whole low-level twinking will change and many people would abandon twinking. And fury has a duration of 10 seconds, you get hs'ed hit drops, you get stomped hit drops and so on. And the problem with foxes is that you cant hit if the enemy is behind you and you've been cripple slashed there is no escape with high dodge from bears, Hell scream, Crushig blow etc. This is a point of view from 76, maybe 77 is another story but I haven't got that far yet

**Budapest** · 04-14-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Draoscao

A bit is true, you said that it's impossible to ever miss but the savage/lust bear usually has their dodge buffs up. And for you to hit that hamstring is very unlikely and even if you do hit that hamstring. You ony debuff -40% dodge i mean that's alot but bears can get 90+ dodge and they would still have a fair 50 dodge and usually dodges 80% of all the hits you deal. I personally tried engame as a full dex fox (76) and savage fox (76). It's true that foxes can kill str bears because i killed them but there were many occasions where i just got beckon stomped and died. I also agree on your point that if you remove the critical hit from bears the whole low-level twinking will change and many people would abandon twinking. And fury has a duration of 10 seconds, you get hs'ed hit drops, you get stomped hit drops and so on. And the problem with foxes is that you cant hit if the enemy is behind you and you've been cripple slashed there is no escape with high dodge from bears, Hell scream, Crushig blow etc. This is a point of view from 76, maybe 77 is another story but I haven't got that far yet

I see what you mean. However it's not the Bear's skills that are the problem, it's due to the fact that STR Gears are so packed up with stats. They have insane dodge, insane damage, insane regen, and to top it all off, insane armor. Instead of nerfing Bears completely, they need to nerf STR sets, or all of the sets in general to have a decent balance in endgame PvP. Give a mage an STR set, and you're left with an almost unkillable CTF beast. A paladin. I've seen so many complaints about paladins which lead me to believe it in fact is the STR sets. Not the characters.

**Itoopeo** · 04-14-2015, 11:53 PM

Equip a bird with str set and you see its not about set its the two OP classes.

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**Epw** · 04-15-2015, 12:11 AM

When i saw the threads title i was like: what a waste of time.

**Itoopeo** · 04-15-2015, 02:05 AM

Well the title is misleading

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**Epw** · 04-15-2015, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by Itoopeo

Well the title is misleading

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Misleading or not, it doesnt change the fact that we are (all?) already know

**Budapest** · 04-15-2015, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Itoopeo

Equip a bird with str set and you see its not about set its the two OP classes.

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Hardly. Please think of the situation before just blatantly throwing out assumptions. Also you said "two OP classes", you believe Birds are OP as well...? Anyways, on to topic -
A decently skilled Bird with an STR set can beat Int/Dex characters with ease. A decently skilled Bear with savage would lose to a decently skilled Bird with savage assuming they both hit their hit debuffs, seeing how the bird can obtain 100%+ hit will buffed even with HS applied to them, it's all about who can hit who that determines the fight, leading to STR sets being op, except in one factor: Hit.