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    Default Bow Bear Guide

    Hello all!

    I've finally found time and got around to doing this guide.

    Please note that this is a Bow Bear Guide - its perspective, gameplay, and opinions.

    These are just my own personal opinions and are NOT necessarily correct.


    Bow Bear Guide


    What is a Bow Bear?

    A bow bear is a bear that uses Dexterity equipment (Bows/Guns/Talons and Wings).




    Given that it can use Dex gear, it must have enough Dex to be able to do so.

    Why a Bow Bear?

    Some pro's and con's of using a Bow Bear:

    Pros:

    • Bows/guns give (very) good damage.

    • You have ranged attacks!

    • The highest potential damage output.

    Cons:

    • Much less survivability than a tank.

    • Your skills still have the same melee range, and do not become as ranged as a bow.



    Overall, you lose the ability to tank (especially in clearing mobs) for the ability to do more damage (especially because of that extra range).

    The most important thing you gain from going dex is the range.

    That extra range complements your Beckon well, and although all your other skills are still melee, when you Beckon, your target still comes close to you anyway.

    Please remember, EVEN IF YOU CANNOT TANK AS WELL AS A PURE TANK, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD NOT TANK.

    The MAIN purpose of a BEAR, no matter what kind (Attack/Bow/Int/Dual) IS TO TANK!


    Not convinced yet? Maybe this can help:



    This was taken from my bear. Full Henchman Set, Damage Ring, and Level 6 Rage - NOT full dex.


    How do I become a Bow Bear?

    Stats:

    A bow bear is a bear with enough dex.

    There are three possible roads to go:


    1. Dual Spec

    I would recommend this if you are interested in switching between strength/dex gear. This would be good if you only want to go dex to do damage, but you'd still want to tank.

    Why I recommend a dual spec build : How to spec your end game bear, by Mr.Wallace

    My Dual Spec guides can be found here :

    Dual Spec Guide (Level 55)

    Dual Spec Guide (Basics and Level 50)

    2. Enough Dex to use gear without boosting - rest into Str.

    I would recommend this if you are interested in playing as a Bow Bear ONLY. With these stats, you wouldn't need to boost your stats (dual spec) to use the gear you want. You would also be able to swap between your different gear set-ups without having to go through a boosting set (again a dual spec term).

    3. Pure Dex

    I would NOT recommend this. Having pure dex would only increase your normal attack damage - which is not what you want. You'd want to have high skill damage too.

    My favourite quote for understanding damage comes from Physiologic :

    Quote Originally Posted by Physiologic View Post
    There's two things you need to think about: Damage vs skill damage. Damage is what you do when you do normal attacks, and it is seen in your character stat screen as "Damage: 192-204".

    For damage:
    1 point of STR = +0.02 damage
    1 point of INT = +0.08 damage
    1 point of DEX = +0.15 damage

    As you can see, DEX adds the most normal damage per 1 attribute point used.

    For skill damage:
    STR adds more skill damage for bears
    DEX adds more skill damage for birds
    INT adds more skill damage for mages

    But you also have to take into account that skill damage is calculated using a portion of your damage. So bears with high STR can have high skill damage, but bears with STR/DEX can also have high skill damage because DEX increases your damage by a lot, which in turns increases your skill damage.

    Skills:

    The skills would be the same as an Attack Bear. To find these skills, please refer to my Attack Bear Guide.


    Gear:

    To deal damage, you'd want to have these stats :

    1. Crit

    Crit allows you to deal double-damage. Nuff said.

    2. Damage

    You'd want to deal damage of course, pretty self-explanatory.

    3. Hit

    Since you'd be using dex gear, all of them add Hit %, so this would be the least important.

    To semi-tank, you'd need:

    1. Use a Talon+Wing.

    If you'd want to tank, a Talon+Wing would be the best way to get the tank stats you need.

    2. Dodge

    The better of the tanking stats, IMO. Since you're a dex bear, you'd have little armour to begin with anyway, so dodge them if you can

    3. Armour

    Again, self-explanatory. If you want to tank, you need armour

    Weapon of Choice:

    There's much debate between which weapons to use (end-game at least):

    Recurve Bows vs Auto-Bows (Longbows vs Crossbows/Guns)

    I've been trying both back and forth, and a quick summary is :

    Recurves (DPS and a bit of base damage) or Auto-Bows (Range and more armour)

    In my opinion, a Bow Bear would use the following:

    • Bosses - Recurve. You'd want to be dealing as much DPS and damage as possible, regardless of range/armour.

    • Clearing mobs - Either. This is debatable and would lie on user preference. Some prefer to clear with a Recurve, some with an Auto-bow. I use an Auto-bow since I think it does enough, and prefer the armour and range.

    • PvP - Auto-bow. The auto-bow is the only way you can match or outmatch a bird's range (depends if bird is on an auto-bow too). The extra range is very useful, as well as the extra armour. The DPS isn't necessarily a huge issue since most PvP kills come from skills and not normal attacks.



    Now what?

    Now that the "hardware" (gear, stats, skills) of a Bow Bear is done, what's the "software" (playstyle)?

    A few things to remember if your a Bow Bear:

    1. You aren't meant to tank!

    I hope you don't expect to tank as well as a pure tank (unless you have tanky dex equipment - Drainers). Despite being a bear, you are just like a bird with more armour (birds get Evade, we have Evade. We only have Iron Blood to give us the tanky advantage).

    Please remember, EVEN IF YOU CANNOT TANK AS WELL AS A PURE TANK, DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD NOT TANK.

    The MAIN purpose of a BEAR, no matter what kind (Attack/Bow/Int/Dual) IS TO TANK!


    2. Remember to keep your range.

    A good Bow Bear is being able to use your range well. Take advantage of your range and attack from a distance, use your skills when needed, then keep your range.

    3. Don't forget, you still have bear skills!

    Despite being ranged and using a bow, you still have the most important mob control skills. Beckon+Stomp Combo and Hell Scream. Even if you don't plan on tanking them (that well or at all), these skills are still extremely useful in clearing mobs.


    Clearing mobs should relatively be the same, just expect to take more damage. On a general playstyle of a bear, please refer to the video on my other guide :

    Balefort Sewer Bear Play Guide


    Boss "Tanking":

    Tanking the boss is a little different. You don't technically "tank" the boss by taking its damage, you use your range.

    Since a bear has good "stun" skills (Beckon, Stomp, and SMS), your goal is to keep the boss stunned and away from you as much as possible.

    1. Tank with your range.

    Learn to kite to avoid taking direct damage. That's what your range is for anyway.

    2. Don't forget your combo/melee skills.

    Much like a bird, you can swoop in to do your combo/melee skills. As soon as you see your combo + melee skills available, you should swoop in and do them.

    3. Keep Aggro as much as you can!

    Since you'd want to be "tanking" the boss with range, you'd want to keep aggro. Don't forget to spam taunt when your in range to keep aggro on you.




    Useful Links

    Meet Mr.Wallace - Mr.Wallace is one of the best Bow Bears in game, he's showcased his character here on what he uses, stats, and skills - so have I.

    How to spec your end game bear - Mr.Wallace - Detailed analysis of the possible end-game stats for a bear, pros and cons, and what should and would work best.


    END

    I'll be editing this guide as much as I can til I see it fit.

    This is an opinionated guide, so please don't take my word as law. :P

    There are much better and more experienced Bow Bears out there - Mr.Wallace, Paleriderz are the ones I'm most familiar with, only to name a few.

    I hope this helps! Please post any comments/suggestions/anything, discussion is welcomed the most
    Last edited by Ellyidol; 06-07-2011 at 08:27 AM.

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    Nice guide! I never had a bow bear, only a war bird, pally, and dexchantress
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    Epic- you rock elly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Survivorfan View Post
    Nice guide! I never had a bow bear, only a war bird, pally, and dexchantress
    Thanks! Maybe this will convince you to make a bow bear

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    OMG this is so helpful!!! I made this "Attack Bear" that im going to dual spec and all ur guides just fit in perfectly!!!!
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    You never seize to amaze me. Good job rated it 1 star lol /jk who am I kidding I couldn't rate it 6 star devs have a cap on it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Echelong View Post
    You never seize to amaze me. Good job rated it 1 star lol /jk who am I kidding I couldn't rate it 6 star devs have a cap on it
    Sounds like a flirt Lol jk

    Thanks Ech!

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    Nice guide man I may be able to help a bit with int bear, was one in ao3, ao1 and a bit in ao2. Awesome guide though, you better be a next guardian

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    lol, Elly~ GJ

    Go smart bear and I will get Htiek to group with us too hehe

    smart bear FTW~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticaldream View Post
    Nice guide man I may be able to help a bit with int bear, was one in ao3, ao1 and a bit in ao2. Awesome guide though, you better be a next guardian
    Thanks myst!

    Yeah I'll definitely need help with an int bear, have almost no experience there. Hehe

    Quote Originally Posted by MITSUISUN View Post
    lol, Elly~ GJ

    Go smart bear and I will get Htiek to group with us too hehe

    smart bear FTW~
    Thanks mits!

    Yup I'll definitely need int bear help

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    If u need anything with INT bear guide just ask me I'll be happy to help u as much i can ;-)
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    Where's the guide?
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    Elly I hope you didn't accidentally delete the guide while editing I did that for one section and it sucks. Make another copy using a .doc or something

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    OMG .. The whole guide were deleted Too bad for u Elly if u need to write it again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physiologic View Post
    Elly I hope you didn't accidentally delete the guide while editing I did that for one section and it sucks. Make another copy using a .doc or something
    If you click on edited history. You can revive it.
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    It's fine I got it. I always save a text file when I make a guide.

    Must have deleted when I edited on my iPad last night, I don't know why it keeps happening.

    Thanks for letting me know guys!

    Edit:

    Should be good now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyidol View Post
    It's fine I got it. I always save a text file when I make a guide.

    Must have deleted when I edited on my iPad last night, I don't know why it keeps happening.

    Thanks for letting me know guys!

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    Should be good now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rangepwnsmeel View Post
    +5 Chivalry Points.
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    I just read your forum reward thread, thanks!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellyidol View Post
    Thanks! Maybe this will convince you to make a bow bear



    I'll need your help on an Int Bear Guide if ever I can make one

    I'm halfway done. I'll finish after spring break.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conradin View Post
    I'm halfway done. I'll finish after spring break.
    Awesome! Can't wait!

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