New trend?
I posted it in a post in sorc class discussion but I'd figure to get more feed back from y'all. What is this new trend of warrios not using heal? I get potting your way threw a map but a warrios heal provides two things that are very helpful: a shield for the whole party, and your aggro gain. Has anyone else noticed this or can shed light on why?
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Tanks without Hor are newbies because Hor is one basic aggro skill. That saves mages n rogues from getting onehit by mobs. I see many failure tanks on new maps and its a shame they call them selfs tanks but dont know the basics.
Heal just slows down runs unless it is actually needed, and on normal maps / most elites, it's really not.
Rogues and mages run without fatties 90% of the time because it's just so much faster, proving that they don't need a warrior's HoR to keep them alive. We have tested with non-heal warrior builds, and the dps players all say they didn't miss it at all. As a rogue I certainly didn't.
A warrior using venge, smash, cs and axe is able to run faster than one with only 1 or 2 attack skills, with the bonus of applying chain feeble to those big guys so they can't one-hit-crit anyone. Of course there are a lot of warriors who are lacking in skill and experience, but the ones not using heal are most likely to be the more informed players.
The fast cooldowns on cs and axe work so that you have a pretty continuous taunt cycle going. This is better for keeping aggro against high strength dps players. Horn's taunt is better for pulling in ranged mobs, but those mobs are going to come as soon as they see you anyways.
Last edited by Serancha; 07-25-2015 at 07:59 AM.
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Nuhhhhhhhh, nuuh nuuuuh nuuuuhhh its so wrong to have a warrior without HoR even in elite wilds mages and rogues get onehitted. You need the horn of renew basta la pasta no more discussion
Last edited by Oezheasate; 07-25-2015 at 08:46 AM.
If horn is necessary, why do most parties not use warriors, relegating them to pug status?
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Cuz class balance is broken, trying to make warriors into dps classes just because the class system doesnt work is simply not the way.Originally Posted by Serancha
For people who arent geared and are running in pinks, horn is needed for them. If you've atleast got near 5k hp however I agree warriors arent needed.
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The op asked why warriors were running without horn. I was just giving a response, along with the most probable reasoning behind the trend. Doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it, but it is a logical step.
With the current economy, the likelihood of being in undergeared parties is at an all-time low. We no longer have legendary vs mythic players - everyone is in pinks.
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Ok I get it. But honestly a warrio is not supposed to be a damage user. As safer said, many elites has a horn saved some skin but unless it is a timed run seems useless not to have it. Thanks for shedding the light serancha
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I enjoy playing a warrior but I do think we are outclassed. It's sad when the developers have to create building event just to get us to all play together.
I play with heal and it saves lives when properly used but I don't think it really matters to most players for 2 reasons, short levels and anhks. The bosses on regular levels aren't that hard for any class.
New trend?
nowadays warriors can have every skill and switch on demand. for teeth runs i use ss, axe, wm, vb to speed things up (axe i use to target healers). in elites i still prefer using hor.
If STS makes all mobs in Rengol Elite "one-shot" like Stahl Rage mode than perhaps Warriors will be relevant again
And make it so at least 3 warriors are needed per run; slow but surely!
We will be needed by then right?
@OP: Most likely, these warriors are new (due to instant 41 option) and haven't mastered or learnt how to work as a team, class wise.
I'm thinking the same now since there's that new auto level to 41 deal. Tbh I have a warrio and i have the cheapest 41 legendaries on him. Yet i seem to acheve and hold agro using hor more then 90% pug warrios, including ones with mythics :'(If STS makes all mobs in Rengol Elite "one-shot" like Stahl Rage mode than perhaps Warriors will be relevant again
And make it so at least 3 warriors are needed per run; slow but surely!
We will be needed by then right?
@OP: Most likely, these warriors are new (due to instant 41 option) and haven't mastered or learnt how to work as a team, class wise.
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Most likely they were testing different builds, but forgot or didn't have gold/plat to respec back.
One way to determine if a warrior is good or not is through the timing he use horn of renew.
Exactly. You don't use heal on runs where it's not necessary, and last I checked you aren't a noob warrior who doesn't know how to play.
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lol poor warrior can't win. lool, use pots and instead of expecting warrior to have impeccable timing with his horn, learn to have impeccable timing avoiding red zones. cuts both ways I guess.
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Missed the point. I'll pot all day its the fact horn grants two important things that has nothing to do with healing. But as serancha said, warriors can hold aggro without hor now. Albeit its probably only skilled warrios that can do this but tbh I'm starting to see that if a warrio has a shield buffing pet and can keep agro, by all means go without hor
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I'd hate to go around saying there's a "right and wrong" way to play AL.
Probably boils down to preference.
Maybe they're able to hold aggro and keep their party alive influenced by skill, gear, map difficulty. etc
Any of the factors mentioned above seems to affect how a warrior chooses to play.
I personally, feel that a warriors primary duty is to tank damage not to deal damage.
To do that, they use skills which hold aggro.
Horn of Renew helps a great deal at holding aggro and of course, heals/shields your party, including yourself.
It's beneficial to all party members in various situations.
I'd be reassured to see a warrior i'm running with using HoR, whether it's timed well or not.
If a player doesn't need that, good.
If they do, fair enough.
Each to their own.
Last edited by Deathdor; 07-26-2015 at 02:20 AM.
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zzzz I'm a war and got more dam /dps than most mages... u heal!
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