Ikronos divine vs Owner [part 2]

[Griiiim]

Owner is for sure the better guild. More experienced and great strategies.

[Arrowz]

For people who think end game is all luck based because it is pure crit, please think again. In a clash, MOST of the attacks from mages and rogues are in fact crits, which actually evens the scales and reduces the luck factor. In twinks, the rate of crit is lower, resulting in more variability and hence a greater "luck" factor as you call it.

Additionally, if you play against people who out gear you, obviously you will lose. If I walk into twink levels with a epic set and 3% crit, of course the enemies will destroy me with their significantly higher crit. Voila! Crit became a factor at twink levels too.

As people already stated, end game required much better technology, ping, and quicker thinking. One mistake from any player and the whole team dies. At twink levels a single mistake won't even cause the player who made it a death most of the time.

For those bringing up the Golden Lotus match, Night and Zeus were both not playing their preferred classes, and they had much less experience at twink levels than their opponents. Why don't the Golden Lotus team come to end game and challenge the same team with their rogue playing a tank and their tank as the rogue? Let's see if they win.

your right twinks dont have as much crit. and u know what that means? u cant rush a rogue for 2 seconds and one combo them. As a rogue or mage you have to put urself at risk longer to kill and enemy dps than at endgame. Knowing when you have enough time to rush an enemy dps and kill them takes just as much skill to become effective at. Not to mention that twinking takes more coordination to kill specific people than at endgame. At endgame you can be blown up by one other person almost instantaneously. To have this same effect at twinks requires 2-3 people on the same team to read eachother and act at the sametime before the opportunity is lost rather than just 1 rogue finding an opening and killing an enemy rogue.

endgame requires different kinds of skill than twinking does. Clearly that is shown by the fact that zeus and Night are two of the best endgamers but they still lost the twink tournament. Based upon how long this argument has been going on for across countless different threads and THERE STILL ISN'T AN AGREEMENT UPON WHICH REQUIRES MORE SKILL, just settle for the fact that they are different and can't be compared.

[Zeus]

your right twinks dont have as much crit. and u know what that means? u cant rush a rogue for 2 seconds and one combo them. As a rogue or mage you have to put urself at risk longer to kill and enemy dps than at endgame. Knowing when you have enough time to rush an enemy dps and kill them takes just as much skill to become effective at. Not to mention that twinking takes more coordination to kill specific people than at endgame. At endgame you can be blown up by one other person almost instantaneously. To have this same effect at twinks requires 2-3 people on the same team to read eachother and act at the sametime before the opportunity is lost rather than just 1 rogue finding an opening and killing an enemy rogue.

endgame requires different kinds of skill than twinking does. Clearly that is shown by the fact that zeus and Night are two of the best endgamers but they still lost the twink tournament. Based upon how long this argument has been going on for across countless different threads and THERE STILL ISN'T AN AGREEMENT UPON WHICH REQUIRES MORE SKILL, just settle for the fact that they are different and can't be compared.

There are times to rush and there are times when you cannot rush, just like twinkling. If I, as a rogue, varnish and kill the other rogue then there is a serious weak link in that teams strategy. Also, the enemy rogue also has an opportunity to snipe me in the same moment that I am opened. Don't forget, DPS is rarely ever stunned in clash. In fact, tanks are usually the most stunned. If timed right, DPS can go unstunned for most of the clash. The times you can be stunned, I shall answer: Well, what were you doing crossing your tank if you can be stunned?

However, we can both agree on that both types of PvP take skill. I just ask that twinks who can gear a toon try out clashes at end game. From the small sample population of those players that have, in my experience, have said that end game is harder to be good at and is less forgiving on mistakes.

[xnorwayx]

Why not...? If you pick out the weakest player, it is now a 4v5. This thing happens in twink PvP too lol.

Not 4v5, but farming undergeared person, while ur team stays and just watches at u being farmed. No one even attack them.

[xnorwayx]

There are times to rush and there are times when you cannot rush, just like twinkling. If I, as a rogue, varnish and kill the other rogue then there is a serious weak link in that teams strategy. Also, the enemy rogue also has an opportunity to snipe me in the same moment that I am opened. Don't forget, DPS is rarely ever stunned in clash. In fact, tanks are usually the most stunned. If timed right, DPS can go unstunned for most of the clash. The times you can be stunned, I shall answer: Well, what were you doing crossing your tank if you can be stunned?

However, we can both agree on that both types of PvP take skill. I just ask that twinks who can gear a toon try out clashes at end game. From the small sample population of those players that have, in my experience, have said that end game is harder to be good at and is less forgiving on mistakes.

There is no time for rushing newbs =) just rush then anytime, couse they can't do anything.

[Kingofninjas]

your right twinks dont have as much crit. and u know what that means? u cant rush a rogue for 2 seconds and one combo them. As a rogue or mage you have to put urself at risk longer to kill and enemy dps than at endgame. Knowing when you have enough time to rush an enemy dps and kill them takes just as much skill to become effective at. Not to mention that twinking takes more coordination to kill specific people than at endgame. At endgame you can be blown up by one other person almost instantaneously. To have this same effect at twinks requires 2-3 people on the same team to read eachother and act at the sametime before the opportunity is lost rather than just 1 rogue finding an opening and killing an enemy rogue.

endgame requires different kinds of skill than twinking does. Clearly that is shown by the fact that zeus and Night are two of the best endgamers but they still lost the twink tournament. Based upon how long this argument has been going on for across countless different threads and THERE STILL ISN'T AN AGREEMENT UPON WHICH REQUIRES MORE SKILL, just settle for the fact that they are different and can't be compared.

Thank you. Exactly what I meant. At end game, a rogue hitting another rogue, sometimes even with nekro shield, will blow them up. Heck, even a mage can blow them up without nekro shield. At twink levels it takes 2-3 synced players to nuke down a enemy dps. How often does that happen? Being able to get in and out of enemy territory, and killing an enemy dps in the process, is something that I feel twinks do not fully appreciate the difficulty of at end game for the very reasons you stated. My argument that end game requires more skill (aka ping, device and common sense) than twinking is based upon this.

[Kingofninjas]

Also to add on to my previous post, since for some reason I can't edit, I can assure you that a rogue should be able to see a rush coming and land the first shot (potentially stopping the rush by killing the enemy) or hide if he cycles his skills right. I have personally seen this done, both to and by me in relatively even gear clashes.

[Titanium]

For those bringing up the Golden Lotus match, Night and Zeus were both not playing their preferred classes, and they had much less experience at twink levels than their opponents. Why don't the Golden Lotus team come to end game and challenge the same team with their rogue playing a tank and their tank as the rogue? Let's see if they win.

Golden Lotus should come to play a tournament at endgame. If they will manage to get into quater-finals then it's a performance. Horror managed to get into finals without any twink pvp experience. They only wanted to prove a point what endgame is capable of.

[xnorwayx]

Also to add on to my previous post, since for some reason I can't edit, I can assure you that a rogue should be able to see a rush coming and land the first shot (potentially stopping the rush by killing the enemy) or hide if he cycles his skills right. I have personally seen this done, both to and by me in relatively even gear clashes.

Aimed+nox, then fast hide back wall. When nekro rogue comes 1 more combo and still not enough to kill. And then in a second they 1 shot you and say : hide more noob.

[Arrowz]

Thank you. Exactly what I meant. At end game, a rogue hitting another rogue, sometimes even with nekro shield, will blow them up. Heck, even a mage can blow them up without nekro shield. At twink levels it takes 2-3 synced players to nuke down a enemy dps. How often does that happen? Being able to get in and out of enemy territory, and killing an enemy dps in the process, is something that I feel twinks do not fully appreciate the difficulty of at end game for the very reasons you stated. My argument that end game requires more skill (aka ping, device and common sense) than twinking is based upon this.

Nuking a player actually happens pretty often. Atleast my guild does, we can keep a rogue out of a fight entirely if we choose to. The other guilds, not so much. Thats y they cry about lvls while ganging and we win 4v5s vs higher lvls

[Ovtlaw]

Twink = Endgame with less skill points

Nuff said

No your wrong, skill points is not the major part. It's how u fight of using your class...

For example: when ur tank play at level 23. U always die like paper. Cause u chose to have a nice stat on health and dmg instead put those extra points in jug skill.... After that your team swapped you cause u don't like to use jug.. Lol

[Ovtlaw]

ik that in endgame when someone make a mistake they and their team will die. pvp in twink and in endgame really are diffirence. maybe golden lotus cant win in endgame but they win in tournament cuz they play in twink they have more experience gw in their lvl they play. if u have experience gw in twink tell me about gw 2 warrior 1 mage 2 rouge?

Dude. In twink 23 I can tank with 4 rouges and farm the whole twink 23 bracket... My rogues alway have mana n I always stay healthy... Imo twink is too easy because real player always at end game

[Ovtlaw]

your right twinks dont have as much crit. and u know what that means? u cant rush a rogue for 2 seconds and one combo them. As a rogue or mage you have to put urself at risk longer to kill and enemy dps than at endgame. Knowing when you have enough time to rush an enemy dps and kill them takes just as much skill to become effective at. Not to mention that twinking takes more coordination to kill specific people than at endgame. At endgame you can be blown up by one other person almost instantaneously. To have this same effect at twinks requires 2-3 people on the same team to read eachother and act at the sametime before the opportunity is lost rather than just 1 rogue finding an opening and killing an enemy rogue.

endgame requires different kinds of skill than twinking does. Clearly that is shown by the fact that zeus and Night are two of the best endgamers but they still lost the twink tournament. Based upon how long this argument has been going on for across countless different threads and THERE STILL ISN'T AN AGREEMENT UPON WHICH REQUIRES MORE SKILL, just settle for the fact that they are different and can't be compared.

Dude. U lucky cause your enemy doesn't have no skill. Your video show that ur always open n no enemy rogue go atk u. If my twink 23 were there. You get farm... Xsolo is my rogue in 23. Recognize me

[sapdcroi]

Dude. In twink 23 I can tank with 4 rouges and farm the whole twink 23 bracket... My rogues alway have mana n I always stay healthy... Imo twink is too easy because real player always at end game

do u remember thanhdaoz who scammer your arcane ring? before him came 23 him had been 10. and i saw some your video. many loser in my lvl come to 23 in 2014@@ so do u mean thanhdaoz is pro? u said lvl 23 for pros@@

[Arrowz]

Dude. In twink 23 I can tank with 4 rouges and farm the whole twink 23 bracket... My rogues alway have mana n I always stay healthy... Imo twink is too easy because real player always at end game

Use 4 rogues at 17. Ill take the free kills anyday

[Ovtlaw]

Use 4 rogues at 17. Ill take the free kills anyday

Lol. Like I said before. Your videos show You fight against noobs. Come to 23 or end game when u want to fight real skill player.


Ign : Nasty

[Arrowz]

Lol. Like I said before. Your videos show You fight against noobs. Come to 23 or end game when u want to fight real skill player.


Ign : Nasty

Ur videos show u stacking tanks and fighting rogues with samael. Pff

[Ovtlaw]

Ur videos show u stacking tanks and fighting rogues with samael. Pff

Lol. Which video I stacking tanks? Or va rogue with samael?


Ign : Nasty

[Arrowz]

Lol. Which video I stacking tanks? Or va rogue with samael?


Ign : Nasty

http://youtu.be/1gFEbGd6_nc 3 tanks vs. 1 tank

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4VhKci-60 rogue using samael.

How r u gonna lie ur way out of this?

[Ovtlaw]

http://youtu.be/1gFEbGd6_nc 3 tanks vs. 1 tank

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fM4VhKci-60 rogue using samael.

How r u gonna lie ur way out of this?

3 tank 1 rogue vs 1 tank 3 mages in end game usually 1 tank 3 mages will win. You can ask Zeus or any pro in 46. They will tell you how weak is tank stacking.

That rogue only use samael at start cause he thinks he can win without nekro. After his 1st lost. He start to use nekro and still lost...

Btw. Tank class is build for team fight not for solo. Especially if you play at 46. Tank is very weak if playing solo


Ign : Nasty