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**Bobloblaw** · 05-18-2011, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Ayrilana

I don't see what the big deal is regarding XP for quests. You'll likely get 1-2 XP which leads to about 200-400 XP if you do ALL of the quests. You can easily get this amount in 1-2 Hideout runs for a fraction of the time. It's not really that unfair. No point in complaining about something when all he facts about it aren't known yet.

First, you are correct in stating nothign is known yet. We don't know whether the amount will be small (as you suggest) or something a little more substantial. My guess is that it will start small (something like you suggest) in very early levels and scale up according to the level in which the quest can be found. That way quests will still be worth doing when you get to the point that a new lvl up is 8k or more.

Simply assuming it will be such a small amount and that "ALL the quests" will only be worth 1-2 hideout runs is equally as presumptuous as anything previously mentioned.

I'm sorry if you interpreted my post as a simple complaint. That certainly was not my intention. It was intended, and at least I thought it came off, as a look at both positions (no retroactive quest XP vs. retroactive quest XP) given the one thing we do know (quests will now give XP) and presenting why I felt handling things one way would be the most fair to everyone.

**Gluttony** · 05-18-2011, 11:52 AM

I'll go out on a limb and agree with Ayrilana about the xp for quests being an insignificant change. A bit presumptious, yes; chances of being on the money, very high. I know that nothing is known about how the xp for quests is going to play out, but we are talking about the same quests that give 100-500 gold even if they take 100+ runs to complete. The gold reward didn't really scale up, so to assume that the quest xp will follow. Even if it's on the same scale as the gold is maybe the BS quests will give 10xp, which as stated can be accomplished in seconds compared to minutes. If daily quests give xp that would be a slight bonus.

Edit: It's a nice addition for people who like the quests, but it's not as full of win as some of the other changes. I'm glad that STS is looking at areas for improvement like this, next quest upgrade make the gold/xp reflect the actual quest... please.

**Bobloblaw** · 05-18-2011, 01:02 PM

Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you mention Glut. It most likely won't be a big deal and I'm not sure just how difficult it would be for STS to implement it in that way. Just figured it was worth a small discussion even before all the details are out

**Pandamoni** · 05-18-2011, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by asommers

Store/Purchasing Improvements

It’s now possibly to quickly compare items in the store with your current equipment.

This is great! Will the also be implemented in the CS? It's so nice to have a quick look at what an item will do to my stats without having to use any brain power to do it.

**Austin2505** · 05-18-2011, 02:36 PM

XP for quest!! Yes!! Finally!!

**Banned** · 05-18-2011, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gluttony

I see what you did there, quite creative indeed! Are you sure I was using your ign to make a witty joke, or rather complementing you on how well you know yourself (choosing banned with the type of on the edge comments you make does indeed prove that you know where actions like this are leading you). I chose gluttony for similar reasons, but to the point.

Complaining about people complaining is indeed hypocritical, I'll point it out for you since you seem to be missing the point. You directly blamed the GoA's complaints for the change in the shield of gratitude, you then state how the shield lost it's exclusiveness in a step by step analysis. You finally complain that it's losing yet some more uniqueness and you're very upset over the fact. I imagine this plays out very similar to how the shield became vanity/statless in the first place. Asking to have the shield reverted back to it's unpolished state would actually be the opposite.

Like I said, it's difficult to perceive intent on the Internet. Especially when you get a constant flow of "LOL your name is banned because you're always banned' spewed at your face like pea soup from a demon possessed, little girl's mouth.

Let me bold up a few words from my original post so you can correctly analyze it.

Originally Posted by Gluttony

First, you guys decide to remove the stats off of the SoG because of a few GoA crying about it's superior armor boost in comparison to the other two event shields. Fine. Then, you go ahead and give away the shield to anyone that has previously purchased 30 platinum, further raping it's rarity in to a state of common availability. Fine. THEN, you use the exact same SoG model for a shield in the latest campaign(bear ofc), with the only difference being a change in color, pretty much slaughtering any of the uniqueness this item was clutching on to. FINE. But now you're telling me I can't even use my damn shield?

I honestly can't find a way to convert my frustration in to words.

"Fine" as in, I'm okay with it. But completely disallowing it's usage did it for me.

**BlazeMystic** · 05-18-2011, 03:36 PM

All sounds really good!

**Snakespeare** · 05-18-2011, 03:57 PM

I am glad that I got gold and items for quests in the past. I can get a few hundred XP by running Plasma once (with my L39 it is red threat), so XP is pretty much easy. Besides, I got thousands of XP running the hundred tomes quest. I doubt the rewards can match that. It's a pittance. I am far more interested in the quests as story elements!!! There need to be even more of them. I think I might just send a few suggestions. :-)

I didn't like the sideways shield that shoots arrows, personally, but I see others did. I thought it was kinda lame and only did it once. But as a vanity, it goes well over a wing shield or demonic eyeball, so pure dex birds and pure int mages can use them. Also, I was unable to wear it on my main because it had less armor than a proper level shield. AND I did not think it was FAIR for me to have an advantage at 1st level of an extra 20+ armor just because I am a Guardian. That's not what being a Guardian is all about. Again, varied mileage, because people I generally think do play fair were using them in PvP, so I am glad that it was changed. Sometimes it takes a referee to keep things fair.

Looks like it will be a great update.

**Gluttony** · 05-18-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Banned

"Fine" as in, I'm okay with it. But completely disallowing it's usage did it for me.

Really? You're fine with it, let's re-analyze this paragraph:

Originally Posted by Banned

First, you guys decide to remove the stats off of the SoG because of a few GoA crying about it's superior armor boost in comparison to the other two event shields. Fine. Then, you go ahead and give away the shield to anyone that has previously purchased 30 platinum, further raping it's rarity in to a state of common availability. Fine. THEN, you use the exact same SoG model for a shield in the latest campaign(bear ofc), with the only difference being a change in color, pretty much slaughtering any of the uniqueness this item was clutching on to. FINE. But now you're telling me I can't even use my damn shield?

I honestly can't find a way to convert my frustration in to words.

Every time you mention just how "fine" you are with everything, you then reiterate just how enraged you actually are. You even end at a loss for words (which I cannot even begin to comprehend based on endless amounts nonsense that spill from your keyboard). You picked the name for the sheer enjoyment of trolling so here is your prize sir.

P.S. The quote from your last post is all you, not sure how/why my name is on it but I'd appreciate it if you could edit that (I'm sure you don't want me stealing your style points either)!

**Snakespeare** · 05-18-2011, 04:11 PM

I can't stay and play, but I don't get the complaint. A shiv bear uses 1-H weapons. What part of this am I missing? I've been using my shield all along. I had to use it on level 25-30 characters at first, but now I can use it on my main (with a dagger or talon). The only thing I can't do is hide a Gurgox Hammer behind a shield and appear to be whapping opponents with the flat of the shield. That's NOT what I call "unusable". So color me confused.

and p.s. I didn't complain that the Guardian Shield initially had FEWER points of armor than the PL Shield, when it should have had MORE. Any contest winner can get a PL Shield. You have to BE UPSTANDING AT ALL TIMES to be a Guardian. You can lose Guardian status, but they don't take contest winning prizes away. But I didn't complain because it was nonsense. It is seriously, utterly nonsensical. A screaming skull shield is far cooler. Isn't it?

**Banned** · 05-18-2011, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gluttony

Really? You're fine with it, let's re-analyze this paragraph:

Every time you mention just how "fine" you are with everything, you then reiterate just how enraged you actually are. You even end at a loss for words (which I cannot even begin to comprehend based on endless amounts nonsense that spill from your keyboard). You picked the name for the sheer enjoyment of trolling so here is your prize sir.

P.S. The quote from your last post is all you, not sure how/why my name is on it but I'd appreciate it if you could edit that (I'm sure you don't want me stealing your style points either)!

Notice that my loss of words is attributed to my inability to use the shield. Which is why I stopped at "can't even use my damn shield", making no attempt at discussing the actual "fix".

My name choice has nothing to do with my supposed "enjoyment of trolling"(as some of you know, I was oblivious to most Internet lingo before joining the StS forum). "TMNT" just happened to be taken.

**Gluttony** · 05-18-2011, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Banned

Notice that my loss of words is attributed to my inability to use the shield. Which is why I stopped at "can't even use my damn shield", making no attempt at discussing the actual "fix".

My name choice has nothing to do with my supposed "enjoyment of trolling"(as some of you know, I was oblivious to most Internet lingo before joining the StS forum). "TMNT" just happened to be taken.

I believe we have officially come full circle, you have now admitted to complaining (without even an attempt at a solution), thus I assume you understand why I called the situation hypocritical.

The fact that you were unaware of what trolling actually is, doesn't hinder your ability to accomplish said task with ease. Perhaps you didn't choose the name, but rather it chose you.

**Snakespeare** · 05-18-2011, 05:03 PM

I believe it is name-calling to use the term hypocritical, Guttony, which is in fact more trollish than whining. So, can we lighten up? Thanks.

Banned is my buddy. He is inclined to be very expressive. If you are going to have issues with people who are expressive, then you're going to have issues forever. I try to read past the emotion for the content.

But Banned, regarding content, I still don't get what you're saying. Can't you just wear the shield over a wing with your shiv? The only thing you can't do is exploit a glitch for humor. It's not as if they actually took the thing away. Plus, think about us June Bugs! We were cut from the Founders. There are only about 5 of us, and not one of us complained, and I think that is a far bigger deal.

And are you guys joking? Because there is flat out no way that any audience would do anything but laugh at the level of triviality. I wish I could stay and make tempests in this teapot, but darn it, work beckons! You guys have to be joking, right? This is some sort of parody of an internet argument, right? It has to be. Otherwise, you should both take a break.

**Bobloblaw** · 05-18-2011, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Snakespeare

And are you guys joking? Because there is flat out no way that any audience would do anything but laugh at the level of triviality.

aaaand bingo was his name-o

**Banned** · 05-18-2011, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gluttony

I believe we have officially come full circle, you have now admitted to complaining (without even an attempt at a solution), thus I assume you understand why I called the situation hypocritical.

The fact that you were unaware of what trolling actually is, doesn't hinder your ability to accomplish said task with ease. Perhaps you didn't choose the name, but rather it chose you.

Still don't see how it's hypocritical. I wasn't "complaining about people complaining", as you had previously stated. I was merely outlining how the devs have managed to somehow upset nearly everyone in some way relating to the SoG. Which they hadn't done to me, until they decided to prevent 2h usage. Hence, "Fine". But you know what, you can interpret it as you'd like. Close-mindedness seems to plague you like an unwanted erection.

Seeing as how the devs read every thread, I assumed before hand that they'd implement the solution Corpser presented in these two threads.

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/sear...&forcenoajax=1

http://www.spacetimestudios.com/sear...&forcenoajax=1

It did have a great reaction.

Notice that I completely turned my attack switch off(crazy, I know), and gave you flame free explanation of my name choice. You come back with name calling and false accusation. Who's the real troll here?

Originally Posted by Snakespeare

But Banned, regarding content, I still don't get what you're saying. Can't you just wear the shield over a wing with your shiv? The only thing you can't do is exploit a glitch for humor. It's not as if they actually took the thing away. Plus, think about us June Bugs! We were cut from the Founders. There are only about 5 of us, and not one of us complained, and I think that is a far bigger deal.

I've only been rocking my dual shivs, since single daggers just don't provide any substantial amount of damage.

**Snakespeare** · 05-18-2011, 06:17 PM

Dual shivs... LOL! That must have looked funny to see someone pushing a shield around like it's a wheelbarrow.

I'd like to see, maybe for next April Fool's, a "Glitch Day" where we can all get pink cubes and equip shields with a 2-H. Especially if it's the kind where the huge bastard sword juts through the shield. That was epic.

**Gluttony** · 05-18-2011, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Banned

Still don't see how it's hypocritical. I wasn't "complaining about people complaining", as you had previously stated. I was merely outlining how the devs have managed to somehow upset nearly everyone in some way relating to the SoG. Which they hadn't done to me, until they decided to prevent 2h usage. Hence, "Fine". But you know what, you can interpret it as you'd like. Close-mindedness seems to plague you like an unwanted erection.

Notice that I completely turned my attack switch off(crazy, I know), and gave you flame free explanation of my name choice. You come back with name calling and false accusation. Who's the real troll here?

Omg, this is too funny. I make a poke at your name twice, and refer to a situation (not a person) as hypocritical and I'm a troll now?! That's cool, we can all read what you believe I am for a lighthearted joke. In the end a guardian stepped in and came to your aid so I guess that's my que to bow out. Guess he was right in the end, you are a bit moody huh?

**thecakeisaspy** · 05-18-2011, 06:43 PM

on a little bit of a more on topic note does anyone know if completing a quest while under the effects of an exp elixer will boost the exp gained from completing the quest?