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    for an mmo it is ok to have discontinued ultrarare vanity items, mmos live from vanity objects. but discontinued game altering items no new player can ever hope to achieve simply kill the game. and since the old gems even scale to level 46 every new player is basically doomed. the jewel system is great in it s usecases, f. e. moving jewels to the next item. however with current frequency of season caps this doesn t matter when facing para/eye rogues... the fact that the new myth set is account bound is helping to contain the damage. but the only relieve from this mess would be if jewels really and seriously could surpass para / eye gem stats with an effort doable in a reasonable timeframe/with comparable gold.

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    The ultimatum could be the end of this year. And on Jan 1st, all remaining unslotted para gems will be replaced with noble chaos gems.

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    There is a big contradict in your post.

    First statement:
    Quote Originally Posted by Zylx View Post
    ...Give players a certain amount of time to spend it or forget it. An ultimatum for the greater good...
    Thats means: use paras and delete rest. No para can be used in the future. New player canīt buy para to his gear.

    Second statement:
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    ...it's fair for the newer players to never be able to obtain such a game-changing item and never be able to catch up?...
    That means its unfair that new players canīt have paras in gear? Its not fair because you want to delete unused gems.

    There is only ONE problem with paras: SIZE OF YOUR POCKET

    New player CAN come, make 46lvl and reach 100.000.000 gold and buy paras in a few days. Its an extreme but it happens.

    To be honest: Have you ever seen that new player make "Delete paras post"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirikjurasek View Post
    There is a big contradict in your post.

    First statement:

    Thats means: use paras and delete rest. No para can be used in the future. New player canīt buy para to his gear.

    Second statement:

    That means its unfair that new players canīt have paras in gear? Its not fair because you want to delete unused gems.

    There is only ONE problem with paras: SIZE OF YOUR POCKET

    New player CAN come, make 46lvl and reach 100.000.000 gold and buy paras in a few days. Its an extreme but it happens.

    To be honest: Have you ever seen that new player make "Delete paras post"?
    I don't see any contradiction. The second one was a rhetorical question that you basically reworded to change its point. Sure players can just buy the best gear with substantial amounts of gold, but that doesnt fix anything, especially if that gear is being used anyway.

    There are less paras than players right? Does it make sense for the newer players to never be able to catch up in stats? Why should everyone have to suffer for the uber rich players who hoard and merch these gems to manipulate the market and gain a huge stat advantage over those less-fortunate to have started playing after last Halloween?

    For the future of this game, the paras need to be dealt with before they ruin the next expansion as well. Otherwise gear will never be balanced.

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    #RemoveParas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zylx View Post
    I don't see any contradiction. The second one was a rhetorical question that you basically reworded to change its point. Sure players can just buy the best gear with substantial amounts of gold, but that doesnt fix anything, especially if that gear is being used anyway.

    There are less paras than players right? Does it make sense for the newer players to never be able to catch up in stats? Why should everyone have to suffer for the uber rich players who hoard and merch these gems to manipulate the market and gain a huge stat advantage over those less-fortunate to have started playing after last Halloween?

    For the future of this game, the paras need to be dealt with before they ruin the next expansion as well. Otherwise gear will never be balanced.
    I didnt reworded anything. Just write what it really means.

    Rich (=best geared) almost always win in MMORPG, specialy in AL where gear is far more important than player skills.

    One rhetorical question: What will happen, when your solution will come? All paras will be used to actually the best gear. Just remember that we are at start of expansion and new mythic has been released 5 days ago ONLY. If this gear will be gemed by paras, it will kill new itemization system and whole this expansion for more than year (interpolate expansions releasing time).

    StS vision: let paras died over time and few people will have advantage of few paras

    Your vision: use all paras now and lots of people have full paras gear to the end of this season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirikjurasek View Post
    I didnt reworded anything. Just write what it really means.

    Rich (=best geared) almost always win in MMORPG, specialy in AL where gear is far more important than player skills.

    One rhetorical question: What will happen, when your solution will come? All paras will be used to actually the best gear. Just remember that we are at start of expansion and new mythic has been released 5 days ago ONLY. If this gear will be gemed by paras, it will kill new itemization system and whole this expansion for more than year (interpolate expansions releasing time).

    StS vision: let paras died over time and few people will have advantage of few paras

    Your vision: use all paras now and lots of people have full paras gear to the end of this season
    Ruin future seasons or just this one. Hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowz View Post
    Ruin future seasons or just this one. Hmm
    Ruin the objectives of the game or just fix it. Hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dex Scene View Post
    Ruin the objectives of the game or just fix it. Hmm
    Funny that u think adding more paras would fix it. Lmao

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    My biggest problem with para is that it will NEVER go out of circulation for twinks. I don't even twink but it seems obvious that twink levels, unlike end game, will continue to use old para gear because the new gear coming out doesn't compete with it and, won't be able to compete with it unless chaos jewels or some other jewel (like a special event gem) offer a similar advantage.

    Heck, make a winter event jewel as plat tier reward that gives +5 damage, but isn't compatible with para gems (i.e. doesn't work when gear with a para gem is present). This jewel could be tradeable but not stackable with itself (like how para gem offers total +7 dmg for first one, then +2 after that). This, coupled with noble chaos jewels, would neutralize the advantage of para gems, at twink and end game levels. Only offer this jewel in a once or twice yearly event- then anyone who cares enough about the game only has to play a max of 6 months to get one (or can buy in auction).

    This might be ridiculously hard to code, just throwing some ideas into the ring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrowz View Post
    Funny that u think adding more paras would fix it. Lmao
    Funny you think having 50+ damage gaps because some people played halloween 14 is fixing the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dex Scene View Post
    Funny you think having 50+ damage gaps because some people played halloween 14 is fixing the game.
    funny you think bringing back paras will change the damage gaps. just shows how little u know about this game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dex Scene View Post
    Ruin the objectives of the game or just fix it. Hmm
    The objective of the game is already ruin. Now it's minimizing it by having no para in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acewasabi View Post
    My biggest problem with para is that it will NEVER go out of circulation for twinks. I don't even twink but it seems obvious that twink levels, unlike end game, will continue to use old para gear because the new gear coming out doesn't compete with it and, won't be able to compete with it unless chaos jewels or some other jewel (like a special event gem) offer a similar advantage.

    Heck, make a winter event jewel as plat tier reward that gives +5 damage, but isn't compatible with para gems (i.e. doesn't work when gear with a para gem is present). This jewel could be tradeable but not stackable with itself (like how para gem offers total +7 dmg for first one, then +2 after that). This, coupled with noble chaos jewels, would neutralize the advantage of para gems, at twink and end game levels. Only offer this jewel in a once or twice yearly event- then anyone who cares enough about the game only has to play a max of 6 months to get one (or can buy in auction).

    This might be ridiculously hard to code, just throwing some ideas into the ring.
    Why do players always brought up twink lvl? Those para's are already use up. They will always be there. We're talking mostly about UNUSED Para's gem. They are the one that only a small % still have. And if they do used it for end game, then it will eventually Phase out. And if theres more future expansions, it will eventually be use up and for the players who still hoards some left, it's still useless in their inventory.

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    I never had problem with para gems , maybe because I don't pvp . Hey! That's a though don't pvp and you won't have a problem. Problem solved let's close the thread.
    P.s : gem drop rate sucks

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    just make gem removable

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    Quote Originally Posted by kydrian View Post
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    Here's my thought on it replace all the para gems with Noble chaos jewels? Just my suggestion

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    twinks dont like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jirikjurasek View Post
    I didnt reworded anything. Just write what it really means.

    Rich (=best geared) almost always win in MMORPG, specialy in AL where gear is far more important than player skills.

    One rhetorical question: What will happen, when your solution will come? All paras will be used to actually the best gear. Just remember that we are at start of expansion and new mythic has been released 5 days ago ONLY. If this gear will be gemed by paras, it will kill new itemization system and whole this expansion for more than year (interpolate expansions releasing time).

    StS vision: let paras died over time and few people will have advantage of few paras

    Your vision: use all paras now and lots of people have full paras gear to the end of this season
    It's quite hard to argue with another person on the meaning of what they said.

    In every other mmo I've played, the best possible stats were always made ready and achievable equally among all players. Limited-time items were usually either vanities, or items replaced by stronger versions when the items quit reproducing. For these paras, they give people who did something at a certain time a distinct and permanent advantage over players who can literally never attain a para gem from gameplay.

    This cap's already ruined by poor itemization and para-hoarders. The gear, simply put, sucks. The new mythics themselves don't even hold any improvement over last season's gear, and people have already spent paras into their new gear. Forcing players to use up their gems isn't going to create the problem - its already been created. It'll be preventing unbalanced gear issues for the next cap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vawaid View Post
    twinks dont like it.

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    Lol? To get a para back then you needed to reach plat tier. Chaos is way harder to get and the reason they don't like it is because they accepted the fact that para is better than chaos. If you just switch them and remove para stones eventually everyone will forget about how much a para gave into damage, and whichever Twink doesn't like it is terrible at PvP then. "Dependant on their para stones then on their skills".


    EDIT: also what's there not to like? Once it gets switched they can remove the Chaos jewel and sell it for around 1-2m the same amount of gold they used to buy the weapon or armor etc. So there should be no complaints.

    I'm guessing your the only twink who doesn't like it? So you speak for all of them? Lol don't say the twinks don't like it they can gain back the gold they spent on the Paracelsus stone items. If they bought it for more that's their fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kydrian View Post
    Lol? To get a para back then you needed to reach plat tier. Chaos is way harder to get and the reason they don't like it is because they accepted the fact that para is better than chaos. If you just switch them and remove para stones eventually everyone will forget about how much a para gave into damage, and whichever Twink doesn't like it is terrible at PvP then. "Dependant on their para stones then on their skills".


    EDIT: also what's there not to like? Once it gets switched they can remove the Chaos jewel and sell it for around 1-2m the same amount of gold they used to buy the weapon or armor etc. So there should be no complaints.

    I'm guessing your the only twink who doesn't like it? So you speak for all of them? Lol don't say the twinks don't like it they can gain back the gold they spent on the Paracelsus stone items. If they bought it for more that's their fault.
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    The problem with para is it gives the same +7 dmg irrespective of lvl unlike chaos, making twinks with para dominate over those with chaos.

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