Ok, look what do you think hard-core guilds do.....exactly what I just said...Originally Posted by smokester
Thread: Venom Guild Post (LONG POST)
Ok, look what do you think hard-core guilds do.....exactly what I just said...
im not gonna argue... ive said what i think and im entitled to my opinion just like u r entitled to urs... venom is too selfish of a guild for me period... bye i wont post again
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Can we name our guild, 'Antidote' ?
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Slipperyjim - thank you for finally understanding what I am trying to say instead of being contradicting just to do it.
You're right we will never agree on the making the game good for both hardcore and casual. But, thats ok
Furrawn - again saying things that you have no idea about, trying to say that Venom is only about gold, that is actually one of the last things we worry about, all we care about is beating the game as fast as possible and being the best guild in PvP and once raiding comes out, beating the content before everyone else and having more things than any other guild. Yep I said it, we want the best stuff before everyone else and faster and better then everyone else does it. That's what we do. We now have 9 members.
If you are going to respond to posts, at least read them in their entirety FIRST.
I said the gold thing to prove a point about how it feels to have someone make an unfair judgement. I said directly after the gold comment "See. It doesn't feel good when someone unfairly assumes the worst."
My post was actually nice.
My mistake.
I won't post again in this thread.
I'm with Mobdropper & Smokester... An antidote sounds good.
Last edited by Furrawn; 06-04-2010 at 05:06 PM.
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*looks at past 6 pages of thread*
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*facepalm*
I huuuugely disagree with some of the stuff you've posted, and can see sense in other bits. Il probably tack onto this post when I'm feeling a little more lucent than now, but here's some initial thoughts.
PvP and PvE being intrinsically linked - I can safely say that this was far and away the biggest reason for bitching and moaning on other MMOs I have played, as they are often so very different and changing one small thing to suit one thing can drastically alter another.
HP being tied to strength exclusively - I still think this is a really bad idea. It should buff it up but it really shouldn't be the sole giver of health. A stat that both buffs melée damage AND increases hp in one is a bad idea IMO and will lead to dominance if/when burst is reduced. If anything there should be some kind of itemisation which gives health off've equipment, similar to H/S and M/S as they stand now.
Guilds - no way in hell should they be so expensive to start up, and whilst progression would be wonderful, I can only see it leading to elitism and epeens being waved about. The vast majority of players cant contemplate owning 5million between all their friends. A guild should be about playing with friends, having a laugh. Not spending hours grinding, bleary-eyed, just to get themselves onto the first greasy rung of this guild progression thing you talk about.
Invites - agree totally, it's annoying having people suddenly but into a locked game because you added them for a trade once.
Crafting - again, I agree, crafting would be great. Wouldn't want it to be quite so complex though.
Time for some sleep anyway, il add some more points tommorow. While I think you've got some great ideas, I really do think you're looking at this in way too hardcore an attitude. Playing as much as Venom seems to do, I'm not surprised you worry about becoming bored. This is, fundamentally, an iPhone app, and the depth you're expecting of it is something which is maybe more suited to a PC game. The reason I enjoy it is because it is simple. I can pop on for an hour, do some PvP matches, and log off again. A large amount of the stuff you're talking about requires serious commitment. I've staved off my WoW addiction, I don't particularly want to have to become on again to keep up with strange new co
plexities in an iPhone game.
I feel like I'm rambling, il add more tommorow.
Oh, and don't think I'm not all for added strategy and complexity in Actual on the ground gameplay. I firmly believe PvP and PvP should really have more to it than either running in blowing all CDs or as you pointed out, sitting in a group tapping one button.
Apologies for double post but the edit tool on iPhones with a long post is horrible. Just wanted to say that I am generally looking at things from more of a PvP point of view, as it's where I specialise, and also that none of what I am saying is intended to be a personal attack. It's simply constructive criticism, because I want to see this game progress too. I still need to get onto chatting with you on vent, because you do have some genuinely interesting ideas and it's good to see you express them.
Ok, a non-factor is a person or thing that isn't special.
Now in my context, a casual gamer in a triditional MMO usually does not have better gear, guild, reputation(sometimes), or even gold. This then leads these said casual gamers to not contribute much to the high tier meta game, thus
they aren't anything special.
I am NOT ignorant enough to disrespect players due to the amount of time they put into a game, your just reading too much out of it.
A non-factor by definition is something or someone that is not a factor or does not matter at all. I'm not sure how that can be read too much into as it is pretty offensive at face value, when referring to other players (your fellow players).
A casual gamer on the other hand is always a factor, and a very important factor, but not more special than anyone else either. Although casual gamers are (imo) probably the more loyal customers/fans of a game, and will play a game for a longer period of time than a hardcore gamer - with hardcore gamers always looking for the next big thing. Pocket Legends is a phone based game, there is no reason for one to expect it to or want it to turn into a mirror of EQ or WoW. If the desire is for such, those games are still currently available, or perhaps look else where for a game that can by played on a PC - where the device can handle much more than a phone.
Pocket Legends has a very limited community (because of the platform), and a lot of the appeal is due to it not being a second job or requiring a huge time commitment. People that are self proclaimed hardcore gamers, might want to take this into serious consideration. If hardcore gamers are bored or feel they have nothing to do, they only have themselves to blame. Being a hardcore gamer on a phone based game, is a bit contradictory in itself.
I am all in favor of more depth or additions to Pocket Legends, but I will not step on the majority of the customer base to try to get things made my way. We learned in grade school that there are ways to construct and punctuate sentences in order to convey tone, or separate a suggestion from a demand - I just wish more people paid attention in those lessons.
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Wait, what? Where was I "being contradicting just to do it"? My posts all contained arguments, actual logic, not mere snark. I'm not contradicting you just for the "fun" of an Internet argument. Rather, I'm contradicting you because I think your ideas are mostly bad. I disagree with you. And I've tried to make my case over and over, in several different ways.Slipperyjim - thank you for finally understanding what I am trying to say instead of being contradicting just to do it.
You're right we will never agree on the making the game good for both hardcore and casual. But, thats ok
Anyway, I'll end with the smiley, too. We disagree, but at least (I hope) we understand each other. You want the game to be more hardcore. I would rather keep the game casual. We both can't get what we want, but at least we both enjoy the game in our own ways.
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Hey guys.
If you really want to be hardcore, let's just leave it here. I'm embarassed just reading this. Real test / raid guilds never post this much. Nor do they use the word "casual". It reeks of desperation and aspiration.
For those in need of a history lesson; Venom is not Blood. Although it sounds suitably similar. I should know. I was the original Azraiel in the original Blood. Together with Prophets of Rage we pushed the possible (both in unique ways - in a true MMO - with Sony devs in guild to observe).
What stinks is that this was a great, well thought out post on game design that now reads as a sad, ridiculously defensive, big-fish-small-pond rant. Top-tier guilds have rules about this kind of public stuff. Without exception. Just some advice. You guys seem very smart and I know you value your reputation.
GL and happy hunting to all.
Last edited by crookedjay; 06-05-2010 at 12:57 AM.
Wait... Is that the "real" Smokestar up there in this thread? Damn. It's been a while if it's you, dude.
Lolwut? Are you high or something?
SHUT UP - ALL OF YOU.
It is an iPhone game for god sake!
Why don't you all just stop this pointless thread. Please. Whether Advance is,or is not a member of Venom, don't blame the guild. Xanthia has done nothing wrong. If you think the suggestions are bad, your opinion. Please just be quiet. This thread is pointless. I mean PLEASE.
Argument Over.
NO MATTER WHAT, I AM PROUD TO HAVE OWNED THE FIRST EVER GUILD
Exactly. His opinion. And he should be allowed to express his opinion on whatever the hell he feels like. Even if it has turned into an argument, it is still only opinion. Opinion on what the game should implement next, and opinion on how we like or dislike the ideas. That's how the world works, and we should be allowed to speak our minds on things we want or don't want. It hasn't even turned into an all out flame war, so far it's just a very passionate debate. Chill the fudge out.
Last edited by Banned; 06-05-2010 at 11:29 AM.
Very well put, Banned.
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I vote for Serum.
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I've played with Blood in two different games.
I knew Blood before they were Blood, and I can say that they're literally no different than Venom in either their ambitions and certainly no better than Venom in the make-up of their membership. I will, however, give Blood a little dap on the "been there, done that" scale.
I even produced a song a year ago in Darkfall with samples from a Blood guild argument over Ventrilo. The song was never released because the argument is both depressing and erotically arousing.
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