With regards to the rogue armor nerf

[supersyan]

Yea tanks be tanks while rogues be rogues
U call game balanced when tanks 1-2 combo/hit rogues?
SINCE WHEN DID TANKS EVER DO THAT AND WHY DO THEY DO IT???
Yea sure rogues are easy to kill but they shouldn't be that easy
ROGUES SHOULDNT BE DOING THAT MUCH DAMAGE???
WELL NOW I SUPPOSE ROGUES SHOULD DO WAY MORE DAMAGE TO TANKS BECAUSE THEY ARENT TANKS ANYMORE..... apparently they've been mutated to be part rogue part tank but not in a 50/50 way but its more of 100/100 since tanks hit so hard and take so less damage
So I would prefer tanks doing moderate dmg but HP and armor increase about 2000(?) + Jugg 65%reduction
But rogues hit weak with jugg on but when its gone then we do so much more dmg

Cd of jugg is long. its 45 sec. May be the tanks at twinks level hit hard but not the tanks at the end game

[dexish]

Cd of jugg is long. its 45 sec. May be the tanks at twinks level hit hard but not the tanks at the end game

Uh...tanks at end game don't even need to hit...just use sword proc+axe throw+stun

[uehi]

I am tank
Rogues dodges 75% auto attacks of pets and 75% auto attacks of player. While other two classes dodges like 5% auto attacks of both pet and player. The juggernaut cool down is the longest in the game ( 45 sec ). It doesn't do any damage. its an complementary skill. Tanks can't rush kill like rogues do. They don't get kill steals. Rogues still do brutal damage and one combo tanks and mages like 6k crit dmg from an AS at lvl 48 (i'm at 48). and my hp is 7500 and armor is 2400 and i now use galen.
I used Both arcane sword and Aegis. The arcane sword do lot of dmg if you get caught in lava. It can even take out another tank if he get caught in lava. That was when its bugged and when it gives 100% stun and ignored stun immunity rules. Now its fixed.

7500 hp
2400 armor::? its only your busines yr weak stats any rog cnt hurt you with the low lev gear like you use. but if oponent have the same gear you win easy.

[supersyan]

7500 hp
2400 armor::? its only your busines yr weak stats any rog cnt hurt you with the low lev gear like you use. but if oponent have the same gear you win easy.

I'm talking about rogues compared to gear level of mine. which is the free mythic set. And they still win 7/10 and do crit a lot. When i used my aegis my hp ws 8.2k+ and 3200 armor (with abaddon pet) and still rogues crit 6k+

[uehi]

Why not instead of demanding your "armor" back wich it was never meant in the first place why not use armor gems pet and use pots?
rouges indeed were more tankier then warriors and remember when everyone was saying tanks suck dont party them their better off naked bla bla bla and now reality hits you and what you do come here and make a thread almost every day right? if they give your "armor" back there's gonna be consequences i wouldn't be making any more threads if i was you,and remember the cake exploiters that made over 100m gold of it someone was even making threads on how to do it can you get any more selfish then that?

The same type gem should gives the same advance all class str=warior dex=rogue int = =mage. Try warior without str take armor and nature hp gem so warior need be like warior or try mage with water and nature gem. You know why no one use it:? Because its like nerf.
Rogue Armor nerfed so put more armor gem that nerf doge crit dmg. Weak can be weaker. with your advance.

[supersyan]

The same type gem should gives the same advance all class str=warior dex=rogue int = =mage. Try warior without str take armor and nature hp gem so warior need be like warior or try mage with water and nature gem. You know why no one use it:? Because its like nerf.
Rogue Armor nerfed so put more armor gem that nerf doge crit dmg. Weak can be weaker. with your advance.

The same can be said with rogues. But rogues are in advantage with finess jewel they get additional stats increase (which i don't remeber). Acutally rogues are in advanatage if you considee the gems and jewels

[Lawpvp]

I'm talking about rogues compared to gear level of mine. which is the free mythic set. And they still win 7/10 and do crit a lot. When i used my aegis my hp ws 8.2k+ and 3200 armor (with abaddon pet) and still rogues crit 6k+

Use arc sword, charge jugg, spam autos for a few seconds, use axe and ss, rinse and repeat. Before ur jugg ends the rogue will be dead, and rogues wont crit u for 6k with juggernaut active. Aegis is a pve weapon not pvp. And if ur having issues with rogues crit, get better at feebling, u have 2 skills which can do it.

The same can be said with rogues. But rogues are in advantage with finess jewel they get additional stats increase (which i don't remeber). Acutally rogues are in advanatage if you considee the gems and jewels

Lmaoo rogues are at an advantage with finesse jewel? Rogues also need str and int. All warriors need is str. Warriors are by far at an advantage,

Pls lets bring this thread a bit more back on topic, instead of discussing other balance issues lets focus on whether the armor buff was justified and the most important part:

ANY SORT OF COMMENT FROM STS TO SHOW THIS HAS BEEN NOTICED AND alterations to rogues are being considered or will not be considered so i can decide whether to quit this game. Or not.

Ruining twink and pvp endgame balance for the sake of endgame pve is not justified.

[supersyan]

Use arc sword, charge jugg, spam autos for a few seconds, use axe and ss, rinse and repeat. Before ur jugg ends the rogue will be dead, and rogues wont crit u for 6k with juggernaut active. Aegis is a pve weapon not pvp. And if ur having issues with rogues crit, get better at feebling, u have 2 skills which can do it.

All you have to do is spam AS on tank when he's not on juggernaut before casting and after it ended(15 sec). Also this 65% reduction is only for 6sec. All you need is 1 skill to mindlessly spam on tanks.

Yes rogues are at an advantage with fineness jewels. Warriors need dex and int to get hp and mana on stats.

[butterspar]

All you have to do is spam AS on tank when he's not on juggernaut before casting and after it ended(15 sec). Also this 65% reduction is only for 6sec. All you need is 1 skill to mindlessly spam on tanks.

Yes rogues are at an advantage with fineness jewels. Warriors need dex and int to get hp and mana on stats.

You're a Retard

[Zeus]

All you have to do is spam AS on tank when he's not on juggernaut before casting and after it ended(15 sec). Also this 65% reduction is only for 6sec. All you need is 1 skill to mindlessly spam on tanks.

Yes rogues are at an advantage with fineness jewels. Warriors need dex and int to get hp and mana on stats.

1. A warrior does not need dex or int.
2. Rogues need int as well for mana.
3. Warriors have a skill that generates mana.
4. When do you want s rogue to spam AS after jugg is over? By that time, a rogue is almost always dead. If he's not dead, he soon will be because that lava sword procs almost every match and lasts for 15+ seconds so it's quite easy to proc back to back. Furthermore, the lava pools stack an insane amount. So, if the rogues does survive past jugg, the rogue now no longer has stun immunity and will die seconds later due to the proc which is nearly always active.
5. I know many warriors that know how to beat rogues. If you can't figure out how to beat a rogue, that's on you. There are plenty of other warriors that can.

[uehi]

I'm talking about rogues compared to gear level of mine. which is the free mythic set. And they still win 7/10 and do crit a lot. When i used my aegis my hp ws 8.2k+ and 3200 armor (with abaddon pet) and still rogues crit 6k+

You use aegis rogue use mith dager:? its the same point like aegis....-_- Fervor vs Mith maul that can show you true. Arcane sword vs dagers.
Mith dagers vs Aegis. If y cnt understand this play rogue mayby you learn how win easy and you can understand what is wrony on rog. and why you lose with moch strongest class vs weak .

[supersyan]

You use aegis rogue use mith dager:? its the same point like aegis....-_- Fervor vs Mith maul that can show you true. Arcane sword vs dagers.
Mith dagers vs Aegis. If y cnt understand this play rogue mayby you learn how win easy and you can understand what is wrony on rog. and why you lose with moch strongest class vs weak .

I used arcane sword and nekro. Both won't give armor. There's not much difference between arcane sword and mythic maul. sword only gives additional dps which is useless when rogues dodges it anyway. And the main difference is lava proc. Its not only the rogues but also other tanks , rogues, mages if they get caught in lava pool they'll die if its stuns. but now its fixed and won't do 100% stun

[uehi]

I'm talking about rogues compared to gear level of mine. which is the free mythic set. And they still win 7/10 and do crit a lot. When i used my aegis my hp ws 8.2k+ and 3200 armor (with abaddon pet) and still rogues crit 6k+

and wtf abaddon pet:???? joke:??. all ok if oponent use abaddon too it is weak pet for pvp. point is both use the same pet. The same lev pet. jts big difernent abddon vs nekro abaddon vs singe.

[uehi]

All you have to do is spam AS on tank when he's not on juggernaut before casting and after it ended(15 sec). Also this 65% reduction is only for 6sec. All you need is 1 skill to mindlessly spam on tanks.

Yes rogues are at an advantage with fineness jewels. Warriors need dex and int to get hp and mana on stats.

all what you need is try play rogue. you should try before you tell somethings about aimed jewels Point what you think because you read skill map not give you nothing.

[uehi]

I used arcane sword and nekro. Both won't give armor. There's not much difference between arcane sword and mythic maul. sword only gives additional dps which is useless when rogues dodges it anyway. And the main difference is lava proc. Its not only the rogues but also other tanks , rogues, mages if they get caught in lava pool they'll die if its stuns. but now its fixed and won't do 100% stun

Man the same gear vs the same gear at all lev should give the same advance if you lose with weak class its only your faul. Try learn how play fromm better players try understand your skills and skill oponent. And Rly try play rogue before you say somethings About advance. If you have problem Vs rogue make another thread. and we share tips with you . and we show you where you weak. Many Tanks know how easy win with other class and know how to be immortal.

[herculeans]

Icame here to see dramas

[mapenjay]

the game is ruined from time to time

[xRyuzanki]

Pls return the armor of the rogue..
Rogues at endgame ( PvP ) is so easy to kill nah , the 2secs immunity+ arcane shield masteries + nekro shield from Mage to fight rogues is enough to kill 2-3 rogues at the same time lol cause I alrdy tried it even tho they use razor shield it is not enough :/.
in some situations like a 1v1 between rogues and warriors , Rogues can do some heavy combos but still not enough , it can only give a "threat" but since warriors have a lot of buffs + the OP pet AA's like sns , it deals too much damage....
Considering you can use NATURE Gems for your HP or DIAMOND Gems for it armor. for ex . : Noble nature + Noble DIAMOND + Noble finesse Gems , but how about the budget nah ? Since rogues are HEAVY USER OF Pots...
And you know some rogues are not RICH and their Items / equipment cost 2x more .
Mages and warriors also have problems to deal with but ROGUES problem are too much.
Mana/ Hp / Armor ????

[uehi]

That 75% is not to show as facts or display. what i meant is rogues dodges 3/4 or most of the auto attacks of pet misses and of player in addition rogues have to be closer to tanks to get hit from autos

i think you dont know nothing about class. and how it works sory but check all what you say first. And spek here true only dnt spam only for spam because you think somethink and you onlh read somethings or hear somethings.

[intrepd]

So I was a 46 war and i actually enjoyed when tanks were using Bulwark and Aegis because clashes there depends on the team and teamwork but now once tanks got their sword there is no need for teamwork no need for Jugg and Horn sync either you just rush the enemy DPS and she will eventually die before your juggernaut runs out, i agree with armor back but it's better to wait for 56 gear to find out maybe rogues does not need armor at 56 since new gear might be OP for them? Just wait for 56
Warriors does high damage now and they are not suppose to deal that damage
Warriors do not need either int or dex in their stats because passive -gears and pet provides them with it and unlike rogues they have a skill that regens mana also Sky smash has a chance to refill the cost of mana it did.