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    This isn't a buffs, it's a nerf. This will insure curse kills rogues and promotes sorcerer stacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAmage126 View Post
    Rogues never seem to be happy lmao, mages only have a small window of time to kill a rogue to begin with especially if using curse. Rogues are fine how they are. Rogues were one shotting people before and prob still are this buff is fine but i dont get why people are saying its still not enough
    Hello? Buffing nox will not help us instead it will help mages, no rogue is stupid enough to use nox against a curse mage that's suicide, dots and curse gonna kill her immediately and heals are nerfed wont keep her alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intrepd View Post
    Basically no rogue is stupid enough to use nox against curse that's even worse, it will kill her even faster lol especially since heals are nerfed
    There something called timing, the rouge can avoid the curse ability if he waits patiently till the curse wears out or uses a pet such as nilbog to remove curse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intrepd View Post
    Hello? Buffing nox will not help us instead it will help mages, no rogue is stupid enough to use nox against a curse mage that's suicide, dots and curse gonna kill her immediately and heals are nerfed wont keep her alive.
    Now since damage on nox is x2, rogue on curse will die x2 faster xD
    I don't even think that StS tested it lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathclaw View Post
    There something called timing, the rouge can avoid the curse ability if he waits patiently till the curse wears or uses a pet such as nilbog to remove curse.
    Come on how many meters does curse reach? A rogue can not survive using nilbog rogues need nekro to time their shield or else they die even faster, they will die by the time curse wears off or even before that, go test it out pls

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    This won't do anything at all other than make rogues quicker to kill with curse... Play your own game and then decide what's best for the PvP aspect of it. Don't listen to some mediocre players who just complain to receive buffs which will compliment their skill... or lack thereof.

    If you want a suggestion, here's one!

    Lower Mage and Tank overall damage and boost Rogue's damage. Yes, they are glass cannons, but if they can't kill a Tank or Mage before they die (always) then you just keep them useless in PvP. Either boost their survivability a few noches, or plan for class restrictions. Currently a team with 3 Mages will instantly wipe any rogues on the opposing team. They have no chance (or use) currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathclaw View Post
    There something called timing, the rouge can avoid the curse ability if he waits patiently till the curse wears out or uses a pet such as nilbog to remove curse.
    THANK YOU. Just like sitting in the back hiding and waiting for mage shield to wear out, and timing your rush and atk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrected View Post
    Now since damage on nox is x2, rogue on curse will die x2 faster xD
    I don't even think that StS tested it lol
    I'm not sure if its 2x damage but no rogue will even use nox against a curse mage lol.

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    As if u all know curse hasn't been buffed. It's still stuck on 41 cap. Not sure what the problem is here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelllz View Post
    THANK YOU. Just like sitting in the back hiding and waiting for mage shield to wear out, and timing your rush and atk.

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    Which rogue has time to wait patiently? Please try a 56 rogue first its just suicide to wait for curse, the debuffs you get alone will help mages kill you

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    Quote Originally Posted by intrepd View Post
    Which rogue has time to wait patiently? Please try a 56 rogue first its just suicide to wait for curse, the debuffs you get alone will help mages kill you
    A smart rouge certainly would.

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    Whoever is talking about curse? Do you guys really know anything about curse? Do you know how it works?

    Don't make me laugh plz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intrepd View Post
    Which rogue has time to wait patiently? Please try a 56 rogue first its just suicide to wait for curse, the debuffs you get alone will help mages kill you
    Huh? So rogues have the patience to wait out our shield but can't wait out a curse? who even said we will curse......just wow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelllz View Post
    As if u all know curse hasn't been buffed. It's still stuck on 41 cap. Not sure what the problem is here.

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    Please grab ur a rogue vs team of 5, ask her to nox the team then curse her and test the damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelllz View Post
    THANK YOU. Just like sitting in the back hiding and waiting for mage shield to wear out, and timing your rush and atk.

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    So easy to say, coming form one of does players who loves stacking mages in tdm rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrected View Post
    Now since damage on nox is x2, rogue on curse will die x2 faster xD
    I don't even think that StS tested it lol
    If a rogue is smart and hides in the back there is no way curse will even effect the rogue. Curse has a tiny spell radius......come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelllz View Post
    Huh? So rogues have the patience to wait out our shield but can't wait out a curse? who even said we will curse......just wow

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    Wait for shield is probably different since your at the back but what would the use of nox is going to be if no rogue will use it since curse kills it asap?

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    The saltiness is real. Rogues just need more damage. It's the only way. And they should be able to break jugg sometimes maybe not one rogue but two. They should be able to kill mages one combo without a shield. The fix is simple. Remove kdr for a week and play with the rogue damage modifier. I'm guessing rogues should have somewhere between 55%-75% of their full damage whereas Mage and tank should prob stay where they are. With speed set it will also create more depth in clash. As ofc if mages hiding at the back rogue can just zoom around and start sniping them easier.

    While a rogue purpose is single target damage, this doesn't always mean they need all the kills. Their job is to kill yes. But a more important job for rogues is forcing early juggs and heals. This is how you break heal cycles. You don't wait for other team to make a mistake. You force the mistake. Rogue should hit hard enough to be able to accomplish this task.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelllz View Post
    If a rogue is smart and hides in the back there is no way curse will even effect the rogue. Curse has a tiny spell radius......come on.

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    Actually i was playing clash as rogue. What most mages do is use shield rush to rogue for curse and hides again. There is low chance that you won't be affected by curse while mages aim rogues first then tanks.

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    rogues want sts to give them everything right on their plate and its seems that the slightest disadvantage causes complaints. Cant expect to have everything while the other classes have to work around their disadvantages

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