!!Beware of Neon Genesis and their fraudulent leader, Egofury!!

**tarkay** · 09-10-2011, 08:13 PM

This is not an invitation to a flame war (though it will likely end up like this), nor is it a bash to all Neon Genesis members. I have made several good friends in that guild, and there as certainly very good players in all guilds. This is just a personal testimony and a warning to those looking into joining a guild as well as to Guild Masters of other guilds who should be careful about who they invite.

It's disappointing to think that it has come to this, but I feel that this warning is very necessary. In my experience as a previous guild member, I have seen, what is quite possibly, one of the worst guilds in the game. Yes, it's true. They are in the leader-boards, but those numbers are only as a result of their leaders' cheating ways.

These are just some of the things that I have been witness to: Egofury, at first seemed nice, giving out items to those he saw fit, but this was only just way to buy loyalty. His real personality comes out during mass booting of those he deems as "noobs." I understand the drive to have a guild with active players, but if this is your intention, then DO NOT SPAM INVITES. This was especially prevalent when Neon Genesis was first starting. We tactically invited players who had platinum gear regardless of whether or not they were any good. Hence the need for mass boot spamming. Neon also purposely conducts regular recruiting of other guild's members who seem L337 enough for the guild. And if this doesn't work, Egofury has a tactic of joining other guilds to not only spy, but steal members from within other guilds. While I cannot say for certain whether he has other officers do the same, (as I have only honestly seen him do it) I wouldn't be surprised if many of you guilds out there had some of our Neon Genesis spies in your guild.

I invite other Neon Genesis members to speak up, unless of course you are afraid, but I've already left your guild as I am sick of being in such a desperate, cheating guild.

**UPDATE** Several players have courageously come forward to share their own experiences. Egofury, "You can fool some people sometime, but you can't fool all the people all the time." And asking your cronies to push hate onto other guilds? Shame on you Ego...

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When ego was lvl21 he recruited me,i played 16hrs each day to make the guild at top,ego made me an officer,i recruited Darko, ur fav. officer, and more and more peeps,help newbies with rares, even ego lol(pss he wont appreciate that),even i helped them lvlup,FIRST ONE TO BE 26 AT NEON GENESIS,ya before ego,had some argumentl with ego and was asked to leave with a smile .It doesnt matter to him if sm1 leaves or joins,hes making this game a bad biz,sm1 tell him this is just a game. Btw, i started my own guild(DEFYDEATH) with some in game friends, and now ego tells his each slave to hate me and my guild WTF!, my argument was only with him,well they are trieng to recruit my guild members and making sure my guild doesnt expand.I am glad the peeps left neon genesis doesnt want to be slaves, i wish good luck to you and your crapy bussiness ego, but please dont make the game dirty.

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That egofury did same to me. He was first asking about my guild, and he seemed very friendly. And then everytime we got furtherbonto the conversation he was trying his hardest to lure me into his guild. Obviously, i said no. Then he started calling my guild, almost as if to make his sound superior to mine, once again i said i want to stay at my guild, so he walked off and said 'have fun in ur crappy guild then'
This isn't the type of person I would like to be in a guild with to be honest

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Hmmm... this explains a lot. I didn't know Egofury was the GM for Neon, but I very clearly remember him joining my guild, and leaving after a few hours. After he left, some of my members told me someone from our guild tried to convince them to join Neon Genesis. While our members are free to leave as they wish, I have to admit, that if this was what the OP was talking about, I'm sadly disappointed. And I agree with silent. Nothing really bad with recruiting premium, but I can see how it would be bad if those invites were spammed.

**Silentarrow** · 09-10-2011, 08:20 PM

IMO there is nothing wrong with recruiting only "premium" people.

But putting spies into other peoples guilds... There's something wrong with that

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**Dracula** · 09-10-2011, 08:33 PM

Hmmm... this explains a lot. I didn't know Egofury was the GM for Neon, but I very clearly remember him joining my guild, and leaving after a few hours. After he left, some of my members told me someone from our guild tried to convince them to join Neon Genesis. While our members are free to leave as they wish, I have to admit, that if this was what the OP was talking about, I'm sadly disappointed. And I agree with silent. Nothing really bad with recruiting premium, but I can see how it would be bad if those invites were spammed.

**ProSophist** · 09-10-2011, 08:38 PM

I've been wondering how they all of a sudden skyrocketed in the leaderboards.

However, this is all I'm going to say to prevent any flame war as I have no proof to any statement.

**Hankomachos** · 09-10-2011, 08:42 PM

I was in his guild for a while, made every lvl 25+ an officer (including me). I left though.

**BodMaster** · 09-10-2011, 08:46 PM

Thanks for heads up.. I have heard similar allegations but never any proof as such.. but it is wrong in my eyes and shouldn't be able to continue buts its inevitable

**Carth** · 09-10-2011, 08:52 PM

I'm currently in the guild Neon Genesis and I agree with you that they do spam invites and beg you to join them. Some officers throughout the day asked me to join Neon and I politely shut down their offer. They then started to beg, saying that they would do anything for me if I joined. I only ended up joining the guild when one officer asked me politely and didn't beg.

**CodyBearr** · 09-10-2011, 08:57 PM

Lol it's guild madness, makes me not want to join any... And I might never... But so many friend's ask and I do like some guilds names... (brotherhood has always been a cool name by hitec & immortal by Goozy)

**BestHyun** · 09-10-2011, 08:57 PM

I am an officer in this guild, and have to say that I've been in here since we were not yet on the leaderboards.
I personally cannot say whether or not our leader spies in other guilds or not because I wouldn't know.
However, I do know that we run a lot of guild games and help many members through exp gain and end-game gear donations; that is one of the biggest reasons why we are growing fast.
As regards to removing members in bulk, which doesn't happen very often, is to keep the guild member spots open to other members and weed out those who are inactive; it is the member's responsibility to keep his/her spot in a guild.
Also, whether or not there are spies, I can say that it wouldn't be illegal to pursuade another member to switch guilds. You referred to this as "stealing", but why would it? It would just be competition, and the better a guild is, the more likely a member would not leave it.

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I don't know what to believe honestly, since there is no proof whether or not this happened. I'm just going off of this from what I know so far about the leader of my guild.

**Cascade** · 09-10-2011, 09:27 PM

Sad to see what some guilds have become just to get members...Also that quote isnt entirely true hyun...Aoc is popular and we dont really have any haters that i know of...

**ProSophist** · 09-10-2011, 09:40 PM

Stealing, recruiting, or persuading(whatever you want to call it) people that are already in a guild is not illegal. However, it really is quite pathetic and frowned upon. And it seems that a member has admitted people in the guild actually begging others to join makes it look even worse.

Also, as Cascade has said, just because someone is popular or not, it doesn't equate to having a lot of haters. It comes with a reason, not envy.

**BestHyun** · 09-10-2011, 10:21 PM

Cool, I like how there are some disagreements with that quote, but it's not even mine and I forgot who came up with it.

All I can say to counter your guys' inputs is:
1. Maybe AoC isn't popular yet, or at least, popular enough (I even never heard of that guild until now, and I'm being honest and not trolling or anything).
2. Envy is a reason.

And thus, I am now digressing from the point in this thread.
Let me just say, I, myself am still learning about the guild every day, so I'm not 100% sure about anything.
I was hoping to see some NG members to put their inputs in here also, but guess not.

Also, this guild is pretty new so there is a lot of room for change. I joined this guild when we were lesser known because I like growing up in small guilds for stronger bonds. I take stuff like this seriously, and will talk to him about this before I say anything else...

**Dracula** · 09-10-2011, 10:33 PM

I agree with Prosophist and cascade. Bigger does not equate to more haters. I have friends in AoC as well as other large guilds, and I've had no drama with any of them. I also concur with Prosophist that while taking other guilds' members is not illegal, it is in my opinion uncool.

**BestHyun** · 09-10-2011, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dracula

I agree with Prosophist and cascade. Bigger does not equate to more haters. I have friends in AoC as well as other large guilds, and I've had no drama with any of them. I also concur with Prosophist that while taking other guilds' members is not illegal, it is in my opinion uncool.

Yea I agree that it's unethical to grab members from other guilds, I personally wouldn't do that. Also, I'll take that quote out since so many people don't agree with it. Anyways, since theres no proof for anything, I don't know what to believe as of yet.

Also, if NG officers really did beg for people to join... that is pretty pathetic and an issue I will have to attempt to resolve by discussing this with the leader. Maybe there was a premature promotion...

**seilhpares** · 09-10-2011, 11:00 PM

I'm a member of <Neon Genesis>, ign Arthrurdent. Egofury fully equipped me at 25 and I was able to make many runs with my
fellow members and get to 26 quickly. This is an endgame guild and acts as such.

Recruiting from other top guilds for skilled players is part of any game with...guilds. I'm confused every time I see this complaint. Who are you recruiting then?

The guilds on the leaderboard are there because they have owners who had a plan and have executed it. There is more to a guild than a clever name.

What's your IGN? Your username here rings no bell.

**nzane** · 09-10-2011, 11:08 PM

I for one have joined since level 11 . Made some great friends in the process. As I yet to see cheating , I for one will leave in an instance once witness. I stayed for many reason. To be assured that I stay with great players and deemed my limited experience a great experience for I only play in short burst. To be exact, our guild rewards those who put efforts into the game. Rewarded not just by the guild leader but the community in the guild decides. I constantly donate my greens (and yet to sell them) toward the newly acquired level 25. Donations are done by alot of members or if not all members. Reason newly 25 are fully geared upon reaching that level. As for spying , I have yet to see proof. Nor it would be a bad thing. People are free to decide to whomever they choose to be with. Dont deem the guild cheaters without proof. Our success is through hard work. Spying is a way to locate weakness, as for stealing members?They are jus not LOYAL to your guild. Loyalty is gained thru shared values and support. What is cheatin? IMO unless bots or unlimited cash is involved it's not cheating.

"Great success are welcomed by the unsuccessful" - tiao yun

I for one also never heard of aox either.

Hoping to meet other great players online. See you there. After all it's just a game.

Edit: in addition he mass booted the in-active members. Not because of noob status. I pretty much doubt the low lvl noob boot. He recruited me at lvl11, during which he was weeding the in active players. Why recruit me? I was a noob. Still am considering I'm still learning the ways.

Litlnzane - 25 - engineer

**tarkay** · 09-10-2011, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by seilhpares

I'm a member of <Neon Genesis>, ign Arthrurdent. Egofury fully equipped me at 25 and I was able to make many runs with my
fellow members and get to 26 quickly. This is an endgame guild and acts as such.

Recruiting from other top guilds for skilled players is part of any game with...guilds. I'm confused every time I see this complaint. Who are you recruiting then?

The guilds on the leaderboard are there because they have owners who had a plan and have executed it. There is more to a guild than a clever name.

What's your IGN? Your username here rings no bell.

In short: labeling yourself as an "Endgame Guild" is like a license to engage in unethical tactics. Thank you for your testimonial, and thank you for proving my point. The type of mentality that you just displayed is exactly the sort of machiavellian immaturity that makes for an unenjoyable environment for other players, and it gives a real bad rep to real end-game guilds out there who have succeeded without the need for conducting underhanded tactics. Also, the guilds on the leader-boards are there because of the number of players who are at level cap. Correlation does not equate to causation. Furthermore, it would behoove you to also take note that it's likely not [just] because of the leaders, but because of the members that those guilds are successful. Also, I don't understand where you're going with the guild having a clever name thing. Nobody mentioned anything about clever names

**ProSophist** · 09-10-2011, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by seilhpares:412314

I'm a member of <Neon Genesis>, ign Arthrurdent. Egofury fully equipped me at 25 and I was able to make many runs with my
fellow members and get to 26 quickly. This is an endgame guild and acts as such.

Recruiting from other top guilds for skilled players is part of any game with...guilds. I'm confused every time I see this complaint. Who are you recruiting then?

The guilds on the leaderboard are there because they have owners who had a plan and have executed it. There is more to a guild than a clever name.

What's your IGN? Your username here rings no bell.

What part of "recruiting from other guilds is pathetic" do you not get?

You say it is part of any game, but it is not. Never in an online game is it accepted wherein people continuously bribe or beg other people to leave their current guild and join theirs. Sure people definitely do it, but it doesn't meant it's considered acceptable.

Plus, since the SL went live on iOS, there are plenty of people to be recruited. The etiquette for any mmo's regarding recruiting is never recruit from other guilds. It's almost close to griefing.

As long time member and officer of KoC, never have we ever had a problem regarding recruitment. People always come to us and we make sure that they are guildless before screening them.

**chaosflare44** · 09-10-2011, 11:29 PM

While I agree begging is kinda... unclassy (if thats a word) I see no problem with recruiting from other guilds. If someone can be so easily persuaded to join another guild, they probably didn't care much for their old guild anyway. People ARE allowed to make their own decisions you know...

**Schwagnot** · 09-10-2011, 11:37 PM

This is all some bored kid that either got booted (which is hard to do) or someone who just hates to see us on the rise. I love being in Neon Genesis. We have members of all levels, though recently we have focused on recruiting players lvl 25+, I still see members of all levels joining every day. We have 24/7 Guardian runs. 24/7 EXP Runs. Our members and officers are helpful to lowbies, we gear our members out at lvl 25. Nobody was ever a spy. Naturally, a bunch of us started out in multiple different guilds before Neon formed. Most of you know it's a relatively fast growing guild. If we weren't focusing on quality players someone would be on here saying our success is due to our open recruitment, or blind invites (which we don't do). The only reason I could see someone hating on the guild so hard is because we're good, or because they wish they didn't screw up by leaving or getting booted. As far as the personal attacks against Egofury...no. Not for one second is that ok. I've witness him give at least 100k of gear away. He's one of the most dedicated players of Star Legends. 100% of the guilds initial success is due to all his hard work, his friendliness and his helpfulness. We wouldn't continue to grow if anything you were saying is true. Poor form. Seriously. Hopefully you'll tell us who you are in game instead of hiding behind a forum username and when PVP launches we can settle this.

-Schwagnot