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    As stated before, I went mage to prove some things that others are not exactly saying correctly. Please note, that in this video, I'm actually in a vs spec and not even clash spec. Therefore, my sorcerer is suffering from disadvantages like lack of mage extended range heal and limited AOE damage. However, despite this, sorcerer is still able to destroy a skilled rogue in clash.

    I'll have more videos coming as I play more. I actually had more, but my SSD got full and some of the videos got corrupted in the process of making room.

    Keep in mind, these are videos of seasoned players against my day old mage. It's not like they do not know how to play PvP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    As stated before, I went mage to prove some things that others are not exactly saying correctly. Please note, that in this video, I'm actually in a vs spec and not even clash spec. Therefore, my sorcerer is suffering from disadvantages like lack of mage extended range heal and limited AOE damage. However, despite this, sorcerer is still able to destroy a skilled rogue in clash.

    I'll have more videos coming as I play more. I actually had more, but my SSD got full and some of the videos got corrupted in the process of making room.

    Keep in mind, these are videos of seasoned players against my day old mage. It's not like they do not know how to play PvP.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fstU...ature=youtu.be
    I love the fact that mage's say that they're the weakest class when a Stack of mages can Kill a Stack of rogues or Warriors, I can't wait to show my videos with my mage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkiryas View Post
    I love the fact that mage's say that they're the weakest class when a Stack of mages can Kill a Stack of rogues or Warriors, I can't wait to show my videos with my mage
    Yep, videos are solid proof that rogues need a serious buff. Even with cover, the rogue dies. It's simply not able to live despite doing all the right things like taking cover, getting healed. There may have been two occasions where he was able to kill me and that's only because I didn't have the second Mage alongside to kill the rogue. The truth is, since sorcerers ignore every single debuff in the book, including speed...there's no amount of room for a rogue that's enough (even when using speed set).
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    Has anyone else experienced mage lightning auto-targetting the player with the lowest hp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakingbadxx View Post
    Has anyone else experienced mage lightning auto-targetting the player with the lowest hp?
    It targets the person closest to the sorcerer in my experience.
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    Taking into account the fact that you just started playing the mage says a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breakingbadxx View Post
    Taking into account the fact that you just started playing the mage says a lot.
    Yep, I don't even need to really try against any rogue tbh. Just stack warrior and Mage and the rogue is forced to leave the game to be replaced by a warrior or Mage.

    I'll be posting more videos later. Wish I still had the few saved before (if only they didn't corrupt). The poor rogue got demolished for 7 games straight. Great footage.

    The truth is if a sorcerer chooses to abandon the support role and go for the rogue alone (or even together with another sorcerer) as long as the combat scenario is fair (1v1 or 2v2 - in the event you rushed with another sorcerer) then it should be a serious mistake for a sorcerer to try that on a rogue.

    As long as I have my heal and my shield, there's not really a rogue that's going to be able to kill me while my shield is up and his is down. That's what happens in clash. Sorcerer holds their shield, while rogues don't have a decent secondary damage reduction option. So, sorcerers exploit that and destroy the rogue in the 5-7 seconds before Nekro reshield.
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    I don't understand
    You want a nerf for sorcerer or buff for rogue?
    Or just show the community that the stack is op?
    If that i am pretty sure you had said it before
    I hope a dev just buff rogue and stop this drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saud View Post
    I don't understand
    You want a nerf for sorcerer or buff for rogue?
    Or just show the community that the stack is op?
    If that i am pretty sure you had said it before
    I hope a dev just buff rogue and stop this drama.
    I want a buff for rogue. It's unbalanced to play like this. I don't have fun stacking classes and I'm sure rogues on the opposite side don't either.

    Every class deserves to have a role in PvP, so give rogues one as well that isn't replaced by other classes.

    It's not drama - I'm presenting facts.
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    I feel like changing the auto attack damage of both bows and guns to 150% will certainly help Rogue's survivability. Also another idea would to have Aimed shot mastery to also have the chance to give 5% of the damage done back as health. Just a few ideas I have thought of. These changes will not make rogues feel identical as mages and will hopefully make them more unique and enhance their usefulness in a clash.

    Edit: The damage difference between bow's and daggers should be looked at too.

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    Whatever will convince devs to take this a little more seriously, gf Zeus. The individual player's perspective should be given equal weight to game statistics and community needs, imho.

    I still believe the simplest and most logical way to help Rogues is to incrementally buff Rogue damage and armor 1% each per week until a good balance is achieved. If not 1%, how about 0.5%? 0.25%? Whatever would be risk-tolerant. If this type of fix is being disregarded because of a policy, I'd ask the team to please reconsider once more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anyona View Post
    I feel like changing the auto attack damage of both bows and guns to 150% will certainly help Rogue's survivability. Also another idea would to have Aimed shot mastery to also have the chance to give 5% of the damage done back as health. Just a few ideas I have thought of. These changes will not make rogues feel identical as mages and will hopefully make them more unique and enhance their usefulness in a clash.

    Edit: The damage difference between bow's and daggers should be looked at too.
    5% may be too little...I crit 3k or so on a mage, so that's that's like 150 HP. 10% may be better.
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    Well I think if the auto attack damage is reduced then 5-10% hp return should be fine, especially with the hp return from shadow pierce + arcane amulet.

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    i heard in the past its rogue legends, rogue was op in the past, they were top in pvp
    endgame geard mage could be crushed easily by not even endgame geard rogue.
    Everybody say this as i heard
    Did u argue like this that game is not balanced in the past too?
    (if i know something wrong then i will apologize)

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    I guess I should start doing PvP again. I haven't much at all this season as I've been spending my time on elite APs mostly, and lately working on antignome set. Looks like I could have some fun farming rogues like I used to back in season 3-4

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    Why so much hate on mages?

    Don't forget about warrior stack too?

    Why mages loose against rogue in vs?


    I accept rogues are weakest in clash situation so they must only be buffed in tdm ctf not overall situation that's my request.

    if rogues get buffed which break the rock paper scissor cycle then have fun warriors.

    Ps I am never against buffing rogue in a clash or team match situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glass View Post
    i heard in the past its rogue legends, rogue was op in the past, they were top in pvp
    endgame geard mage could be crushed easily by not even endgame geard rogue.
    Everybody say this as i heard
    Did u argue like this that game is not balanced in the past too?
    (if i know something wrong then i will apologize)
    Yes, Zeus has always been very impartial when making suggestions and he has lobbied for Mage issues in the past such as fixing the Kershal and the buff to shield back a couple of years ago when mages were way underpowered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yubaraj View Post
    Why so much hate on mages?

    Don't forget about warrior stack too?

    Why mages loose against rogue in vs?


    I accept rogues are weakest in clash situation so they must only be buffed in tdm ctf not overall situation that's my request.

    if rogues get buffed which break the rock paper scissor cycle then have fun warriors.

    Ps I am never against buffing rogue in a clash or team match situation.
    As has been discussed, it's very difficult to have balance in clashes and in duels by using the same set of rules. Mages deal overall more damage when you take AoE damage into consideration, but rogues deal more damage to a single target. So in a group fight, a Mage will be more powerful, but in a duel against a single player, a rogue will be more powerful because AoE damage is wasted on a single target.

    So the solution to balance? Buff Mage in duels and buff rogues in TDM/CTF.

    But first, you must make sure there is an overall balance to these irregularities. Then you can make those small adjustments. I think that is what STS is trying to do with some recent adjustments.

    Since timed runs are a thing, and dungeons tend to have a mix of mobs and bosses, the perfect balance BEFORE buffs/nerfs in PvP is to make sure everything is balance in PvE, i.e. No one class can complete a timed run faster than another. In past seasons we saw rogues dominate the timed run leaderboards, while warriors were pretty useless. I haven't been keeping track of this, but hopefully this is no longer an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkiryas View Post
    I love the fact that mage's say that they're the weakest class when a Stack of mages can Kill a Stack of rogues or Warriors, I can't wait to show my videos with my mage
    Who ever freaken said mages were weakest class in pvp? We used to be weakest, now we're equal, if zeus could make a mage so can you. Actually forget about PvP do something about PvE farming community is suffering while rich people who open locks cry about PvP problems.

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