PvP Balance

[IBNobody]

For those of you worried about PvP balance in SL...

I talked with senior members of the dev team on Saturday. They are not satisfied with how PvP was implemented in PL and plan on changing things around. There was no ETA on when this will happen.

Here are some things that they can/will do:

1. The power curves for the 3 classes in PvE may not be the same as the power curves in PvP. Weapons and skills may do more/less damage against human opponents.

2. The engine can distinguish between multiple phone models. If a phone has an advantage, they can compensate. For example, the Experia Play lets you switch targets with the L/R buttons. This advantage is mitigated, though, by giving the Experia Play a shorter auto-target range. Speculation: They will likely have to compensate for Chrome users, since having a keyboard & mouse beats a phone-sized touchscreen.

3. They do not want to set up a system that can be abused. (No matches that were lost on purpose to drive the winner's levels up.)

[Ellyidol]

I sincerely hope they add a PvP reward system as well. Not just boostable kill numbers, but actual incentive to PvP.

Thanks again, IB.

[GigaBits]

So, is the implication that:
A) we could have two builds(pvp and pve)?
B) they will change the way skills work without changing the way they work in pve(e.g. not nerfing our classes for the sake of pvp balance)?

Edit: and the phone model thing is pretty cool. I wonder if it will distinguish between slower phones as well, for example, someone running on 3g, 4g, or wifi

[BodMaster]

Great info buddy and good question been wondering about this for long time now and no light had been shone on the subject until now

1,2 and 3 are great points would work well within the system learning for PL experiences just how it should be

[Matutd]

I tink a good idea would be to have a free for all game mode and then a separate game mode where u have to click on a person and press a button that says something like challenge, then a menu pops up on the other persons screen saying something like:
'challengers name' lvl x would like to challenge u to fight, do u accept or decline. Then two options would appear allowing the player to choose whether to fight or not.
I think alot of people would prefer this game mode to get rid of rushers.
But that's just my opinion

[ExperimentNebulaCore]

I tink a good idea would be to have a free for all game mode and then a separate game mode where u have to click on a person and press a button that says something like challenge, then a menu pops up on the other persons screen saying something like:
'challengers name' lvl x would like to challenge u to fight, do u accept or decline. Then two options would appear allowing the player to choose whether to fight or not.
I think alot of people would prefer this game mode to get rid of rushers.
But that's just my opinion

Ah nice idea. I like the challenge idea. It'll prevent twinks from rushing people without good gear as in lvl 16 and under pvp.

[IBNobody]

So, is the implication that:
A) we could have two builds(pvp and pve)?
B) they will change the way skills work without changing the way they work in pve(e.g. not nerfing our classes for the sake of pvp balance)?

Edit: and the phone model thing is pretty cool. I wonder if it will distinguish between slower phones as well, for example, someone running on 3g, 4g, or wifi

I don't know about 2 builds, but it does sound like they will scale the damage. That's a great thing, because I think that the PvE damage system is fairly robust.

EDIT: And they didn't specifically say that they compensate between slower phones and whatnot, BUT what they DO do is scale back some of the flair for *all* phones so that the lower end phones can run the game smoothly. They try and keep their games running on phones that aren't cutting edge. More phones = more potential Platinum transactions = more developers = more games

I sincerely hope they add a PvP reward system as well. Not just boostable kill numbers, but actual incentive to PvP.

Thanks again, IB.

NP.

They want to have a meaningful PvP reward system. They just don't want to set things up and see people exploiting it left and right. (That came from my talks with Samhayne, who is as supportive and team-oriented in real life as he is on the forums.)

[Acyer]

Guys rushing is part of pvp. In WoW do u think the alliance tells the horde to wait till I'm ready before u attack no. You know from the moment u zone into a pvp match what your getting into. Either fight or make a private game for duels.

[Hullukko]

EDIT: And they didn't specifically say that they compensate between slower phones and whatnot, BUT what they DO do is scale back some of the flair for *all* phones so that the lower end phones can run the game smoothly. They try and keep their games running on phones that aren't cutting edge. More phones = more potential Platinum transactions = more developers = more games

So again, make it worse for everybody for the sake of few crappy old and cheap models. That's always a winning idea!

Last time I saw those arguments they were for GCD. Much good it did to PL...

Sorry, 'bout the sudden jolt of bitterness, but that line of thought brought too many bad memories.

[IBNobody]

So again, make it worse for everybody for the sake of few crappy old and cheap models. That's always a winning idea!

Last time I saw those arguments they were for GCD. Much good it did to PL...

Sorry, 'bout the sudden jolt of bitterness, but that line of thought brought too many bad memories.

As a short term player of PL, I am not versed on the PL history. Forgive me.

With all due respect, many people are still using phones that ARE older. My Galaxy S phone was shiny and new a year ago, and I'm locked into it for another year. I may not be able to get a new phone when my contract expires (read: I may not be able to convince the wife I need a new $150-$200 phone). Newer phones may not have as much flair as they can handle, but they'll have better frame rates than old phones.

[BodMaster]

As a short term player of PL, I am not versed on the PL history. Forgive me.

With all due respect, many people are still using phones that ARE older. My Galaxy S phone was shiny and new a year ago, and I'm locked into it for another year. I may not be able to get a new phone when my contract expires (read: I may not be able to convince the wife I need a new $150-$200 phone). Newer phones may not have as much flair as they can handle, but they'll have better frame rates than old phones.

Same position as you IB my phone contract runs out on my (was awesome) HTC Desire now its one of the lower end phones.. work ~ being made redundant (long story - not by my employers choice guess its a part of Government run program contracts etc) little.. actually way off topic) remember back in the day it being a top end phone playing PL though as you explained above this will be quite diverse throughout

[Kakatoa91]

Thx for info IBN.

Not sure how they will balance between different devices or chrome user.
That engine that can detect what phone we r usin seems a bit... I dont know.

For me it all dpd first on the connection or ping. The player with the way better one will 99% win vs an other player of same strenght even with a better phone.

After when game will b available on chrome, I dont c how even high spec phone could beat a high spec pc (even an average one) and people usin game keyboard for macro or programmin sequence will b at adv. wonder how theyll compensate there.