Tank Mage Build?

[Suentous PO]

You said it yourself, eh...kinda...

Btw, I’m just curious, any of the people who are against immo/flame/drag staff/STR build have ever been in a party with a couple of mages with this particular built who know what they’re doing?

Yes, more often than I would like.
Str/hex are slower than my pure int geared up friends, and even slower when they heal because they are trying to stay alive and save me pots.

There are two camps:
Stay alive/help buff at the expense of killing faster
Vs
Do as much damage as posible as quickly as possible even if it's more dangerous

Not really a right or wrong. I am however personally more concerned with quickly being effective despite death.

Ps out of thx Psycho & M C

[Motherless_Child]

You said it yourself, eh...kinda...

Btw, I’m just curious, any of the people who are against immo/flame/drag staff/STR build have ever been in a party with a couple of mages with this particular built who know what they’re doing?

The issue with the flame staff is that it's a good "strictly secondary" weapon....... While it works well on mobs most of the time, it does no justice for boss fights (especially spawning boss mobs, the low damage proc makes boss mobs take longer to kill and spawns stack sometimes, dmg also bad vs. boss).... Same with the drag staff, a good secondary weapon.... The drag staff is wonderful vs. bosses but, worthless vs. mobs.......

Poorer people usually end up with the flame staff because it's primarily a mob weapon and your mob weapon is basically your primary weapon. Those that can afford the higher end weapons for their primary weapon will be least likely to mess around with the flame staff due to it's drastically low stats, though richer people will still use it at times.

Pro(s):
Good vs mobs.

Con(s):
Not good vs. boss fights

Best used as a secondary weapon.

And with the right "mob mechanics", and skill setup, having the flame staff's "proc" present isn't really all that vital/necessary........

[Motherless_Child]

Yes, more often than I would like.
Str/hex are slower than my pure int geared up friends, and even slower when they heal because they are trying to stay alive and save me pots.

Ditto that.....

Those full strength mages do not realize that a "full STR mage" is a "personal" build..... Basically, the full strength will make the mage more "durable" but, the mage will do "epic low" damage which helps out the full strength mage but does not help the PT... It's like, a full strength mage will not be able to really get through any of the tougher maps "unless" there is a "good" PT that will do the slaying, hence my reference to it as a "personal" build (funny thing is the full strength mage probably uses heal too, also "non-PT essential")......

Mage = support class........... "Full STR build" and "heal" = "unsupportive".

[PsychoNuke]

You said it yourself, eh...kinda...

Btw, I’m just curious, any of the people who are against immo/flame/drag staff/STR build have ever been in a party with a couple of mages with this particular built who know what they’re doing?

I think there are better takeaways from my post.
But anyway, to answer your question, I've been on both sides of the spectrum, because as I said: I try every build to choose best suited for me and tune it according to my playstyle. Full int always been my go to.

Also, here is something extra to get you going:
1Int = 3 health [+ Mana, Dmg and Bonus dmg]
1Dex = 5 health [+ Dodge (useless for mage) and Crit(increases dmg/dps value slightly)]
1Str = 10 health [+ Nothing]

Noble Mind gives 8 Int = 24 health. (If you buy it will cost you around 600k)
Noble Nature gives 96 health can be farmed very easily in kt4, so they are basically free. (If you buy it will cost you around 300k)

Best gears to choose from:
Full Level 61 Brutality set
Full Level 66 Brutality set
Mythic Balance set + Illu/Ellon mythic belt
Full Voice Set
Full Nightmare Set
[+Arc Ring/Deary Ring(others might curse you xD), Arc Pendent/Planar Pendent]

Weapons:
Dusk Brut Gun/Staff
Balance Gun/Staff
Flame Forged staff
Immortal staff
Dragon staff

Now feel free to test with these to know what can be the best build for you in your budget

[Drone]

When I used to run maus:

Immo staff
Balanced set
Lvl 58 belt
Speed set
Spooky artifact
FULL STR BUILD

11k hp
4.8k armor
10 dmg (unbuffed)

I did alright, never had problems getting invites for m5-6.
SELLING THIS SET MINUS DRAG STAFF BTW

[Lolifee]

When I used to run maus:

Immo staff
Balanced set
Lvl 58 belt
Speed set
Spooky artifact
FULL STR BUILD

11k hp
4.8k armor
10 dmg (unbuffed)

I did alright, never had problems getting invites for m5-6.
SELLING THIS SET MINUS DRAG STAFF BTW

Ur missing Ds

I was using simiular gear. Worked perfectly fine. Figured out that these runs with 1 Tank, 1 Immo mage and 2 dmg rogs are extremly quick.
I remember a short map m6 cleared in under 7 min. But that depends mostly on the map.

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[PsychoNuke]

When I used to run maus:

Immo staff
Balanced set
Lvl 58 belt
Speed set
Spooky artifact
FULL STR BUILD

11k hp
4.8k armor
10 dmg (unbuffed)

I did alright, never had problems getting invites for m5-6.
SELLING THIS SET MINUS DRAG STAFF BTW

That's a nice build, but IMO you can have 5/5 Voice set within the cost of that Artifact, and can pull better stats in Full Int. Unless you got it as a drop, then its alright.
Only 10dmg! You mean 1k? 1k is not bad unbuffed, considering immo and drag are low level staff.

Just curious to know, do you run Elite Underhul on same build?

[QuaseT]

How i made the 1k boss aps in mauso:
immo staff, drag staff, hex for some bosses
avarice set
nightmare helm/armor
sns with lucky stats/glowstick
full str build
Banish is the key especially if u have a good tank with 66 arc sword in pt. 550% gold loot and quick runs.

[Xxkayakxx]

I think there are better takeaways from my post.
But anyway, to answer your question, I've been on both sides of the spectrum, because as I said: I try every build to choose best suited for me and tune it according to my playstyle. Full int always been my go to.

Also, here is something extra to get you going:
1Int = 3 health [+ Mana, Dmg and Bonus dmg]
1Dex = 5 health [+ Dodge (useless for mage) and Crit(increases dmg/dps value slightly)]
1Str = 10 health [+ Nothing]

Noble Mind gives 8 Int = 24 health. (If you buy it will cost you around 900k)
Noble Nature gives 96 health can be farmed very easily in kt4, so they are basically free. (If you buy it will cost you around 300k)

Best gears to choose from:
Full Level 61 Brutality set
Full Level 66 Brutality set
Mythic Balance set + Illu/Ellon mythic belt
Full Voice Set
Full Nightmare Set
[+Arc Ring/Deary Ring(others might curse you xD), Arc Pendent/Planar Pendent]

Weapons:
Dusk Brut Gun/Staff
Balance Gun/Staff
Flame Forged staff
Immortal staff
Dragon staff

Now feel free to test with these to know what can be the best build for you in your budget

Just to say that dodge is not that useless for mage when I was a full dex mage, I had 46% dodge and especially when you approach a wave, you can dodge many of the normal attacks. As I already told before, to me and my playstyle was better full dex then full str. More dmg, little less health, more dodge and crit. And again, now that I was able to complete voice set, I’m full int and fine with

[Alwarez]

Seems like merchers are desperate to sell there voice/night sets before love event. Procs don't need int stat to work and majority of enemies in pve dies from procs

[Drone]

Seems like merchers are desperate to sell there voice/night sets before love event. Procs don't need int stat to work and majority of enemies in pve dies from procs

Exact reason I don't craft/buy voice set, same principle with the nightmare set. I don't die unless I tank/pull, and that's only when I'm slow on spamming pots.

@Lolifee can't run maus with no DS

[PsychoNuke]

Just to say that dodge is not that useless for mage when I was a full dex mage, I had 46% dodge and especially when you approach a wave, you can dodge many of the normal attacks. As I already told before, to me and my playstyle was better full dex then full str. More dmg, little less health, more dodge and crit. And again, now that I was able to complete voice set, I’m full int and fine with

Oh well that was my personal opinion based on my analysis and testing, just to give you perspective: Str give double health than Dex, and 1Dex gives around 0.05% Dodge. In your case 46% Dodge means the enemy will have 46% chance of missing the hit. But wait a min, A full Dex Build! why?
Sure you will see higher DMG/DPS value in theory, but Full dex can never beat the Bonus Damage % given by Full Int build. So its Less dmg, half the health and [dodge and crit (both only %chance)].

I did not test this build but now I am curious to know more about it...

[PsychoNuke]

How i made the 1k boss aps in mauso:
immo staff, drag staff, hex for some bosses
avarice set
nightmare helm/armor
sns with lucky stats/glowstick
full str build
Banish is the key especially if u have a good tank with 66 arc sword in pt. 550% gold loot and quick runs.

This is a nice build, expensive but logical. I like how you compensated the stat loss from Avarise with Nightmare set. What were your stats on this build? if you can share.

[Abuze]

Just to say that dodge is not that useless for mage when I was a full dex mage, I had 46% dodge and especially when you approach a wave, you can dodge many of the normal attacks. As I already told before, to me and my playstyle was better full dex then full str. More dmg, little less health, more dodge and crit. And again, now that I was able to complete voice set, I’m full int and fine with

Speaking from a rogue's perspective dodge is one of the most useless stats in game

[Xxkayakxx]

Not THAT useless xD
Try 5% dodge and let me know

[Paw]

Anyone who has an immo and a nightmare set go and try it out solo or duo. Full int vs full str. U will notice the proc difference immediately. Same for drag blade rogues. Try full str and full dex and see how often ur weapon procs on both builds.

[PsychoNuke]

Anyone who has an immo and a nightmare set go and try it out solo or duo. Full int vs full str. U will notice the proc difference immediately. Same for drag blade rogues. Try full str and full dex and see how often ur weapon procs on both builds.

Yes, it has been mentioned earlier in many threads how DPS attribute affects procs, and I have tested them as well. Higher dps gives higher chance on proc, though its pure RNG.

[PsychoNuke]

Not THAT useless xD
Try 5% dodge and let me know

I currently have 6% dodge in my Int build, with pet summoned. I dont feel its doing anything. Can you elaborate how it works?

[Xxkayakxx]

I currently have 6% dodge in my Int build, with pet summoned. I dont feel its doing anything. Can you elaborate how it works?

My point was for a rogue to try a no-dodge % XD
Guess rogues doesn’t know mages hard life xD
Psiko if you like experiments, try full dex on your mage and let me know your thinking I don’t have many feedback on this. I used to run maus with decent gear (no set) and full dex (all mind jewels). My feeling compared to full str was less hits and generally speaking higher surival chances. Difference in hp wasn’t that high and better dmg, with good crit helping. So faster killing.
I was fine with my build but I was pretty unique in my choice xD
Let me know if you will give it a chance

[PsychoNuke]

My point was for a rogue to try a no-dodge % XD
Guess rogues doesn’t know mages hard life xD
Psiko if you like experiments, try full dex on your mage and let me know your thinking I don’t have many feedback on this. I used to run maus with decent gear (no set) and full dex (all mind jewels). My feeling compared to full str was less hits and generally speaking higher surival chances. Difference in hp wasn’t that high and better dmg, with good crit helping. So faster killing.
I was fine with my build but I was pretty unique in my choice xD
Let me know if you will give it a chance

Cool, I will test it possibly after event, will post you in pm. Ty.