Question. About Lb Vanities (Not a complaint thread)

[Jhawkeye]

In recent conversation it was mentioned that lb vanities should never be tradeable by Vroom.

My question is what benefits does that have for AL?

It’s a serious question I think many players have and would like to know the reasoning behind because:
1. We spend millions of in-game gold and for many hundreds of irl dollars.
A. We do this, yes to have the vanities, but some also to make a little money back of early sales or hoard for later (nothing wrong with hoarding in an economy imo even though I don’t do it), or just wear to show our accomplishments (what I’m guessing Vroom meant)

2. The economy thrives at a higher level off of lb vanities
A. Recent Lb vanities have for the most part brought merchers nice amounts of money (merchers drive, not run, the economy believe it or not); older lb vanities give players something to strive for as well as a bigger bit of a gold sink (althought probably small in comparison to the 1 pull tavern crates >.>), and another way for merchers to earn money or hoarders to hoard.

3. Those who weren’t around at the time have a chance to wear some higher class limited items from that period of AL
A. Not many things compare to the rareness or cool factor lb vanities have

4. The banners (besides balloon) are untradeable and show who actually ran the event, and a few other pieces like that goblin head thingy.
A. Not every lb should be lb runner exclusive variety items right? (Maybe I’m wrong) Because for me when I run lb I’d like to have something that I know at least holds value in it. I know most ppl I’ve talked to aren’t running lb solely because they love the vanities but because they love the prospect those vanities bring as well.

5. We have an npc to talk to to waste gold on untradeable vanities



I probably left a few key points off. I don’t want this thread to be too long and I don’t want to sound like I’m complaining. Just listing some things I feel and I know others feel like we would like to be addressed if it is true that no lb vanities will be tradeable in the future. I can agree that maybe some shouldn’t but not ALL from every lb. maybe the smaller ones could be tradeable and the bigger events lb specific. Idk I’m just spitballing but thanks for any insight anyone.

[Zeridor]

I think all lb vanity should be tradeable and some lb banners could be too and some could be untradeable easy solution I think xD.

[Abuze]

I think all lb vanity should be tradeable and some lb banners could be too and some could be untradeable easy solution I think xD.

Ye no -1 to what you said, all banners should remain untradeable, what happened to balloon banner should never be repeated

[Xxsoifongxx]

Ye no -1 to what you said, all banners should remain untradeable, what happened to balloon banner should never be repeated

What about lepre banner?


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[Thewolfbull]

What about lepre banner?


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Yeah I was thinking this events banner might be tradeable too because lepre banner was. Hope it's not tradeable btw.

[inoxera]

ye this is a big problem because i sold all my items to run in this event. a big lost bec they dont tell us the the first of event. really disappointed in this event. how can i back what lost :/ precise only 5-6m, maybe around 8m total plus magna and victus after event.. almost 6days before it ends. how sad for this untradable vanity.

[Krystalteam]

Personally, I'd strongly support LB vanities (e.g. Frankenstein Set), to be tradable. It allows those who possess more, financial allowance but do not have time, to have a touch at the vanities they dream of


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[Justg]

Interesting question, we're definitely listening.

[Jhawkeye]

Interesting question, we're definitely listening.

I and Im sure everyone else really appreciates the interest in the topic haha this is a big part of not just the idea of lb running but the economy as well

[Suentous PO]

Odd coming from pl where things weren't tradable, then all was made tradable to disrupt the black market.
Come to al where all was tradable, now some isn't? I don't get it.

I don't care about vanities peronally but I think it's in the interest of sts to keep some players like J & Blaqq (to name a couple guildies) happy, as I see how much time and money they put into the game for events.

[Jhawkeye]

Odd coming from pl where things weren't tradable, then all was made tradable to disrupt the black market.
Come to al where all was tradable, now some isn't? I don't get it.

This is also an extremely important point that a lot of you overlooked. Because this is 100% true

[Vanquishier]

Let’s make all untradeable to trade-able then problem solve forever

[PsychoNuke]

hmm.. isn't it sad that a MMO economy is driven by an optional component. A in-game option of trading which then turned into a profession by players has upper hand on economy than the content itself.

@OP: IMO, (after reading all the opinions and fights from all the thread related to rare vanities, LB items, and especially after the thread on getting old items back in game) I understand that its better to keep these things untradable (just to avoid future issues).
To be honest we don't want to get into that rare vanity for 500m loop again. Sorry, but your aspiration for running LB can be anything, and you will be rewarded for it. But then you want flexibility to horde and liquidate those items for your future is not a good ask. Please don't seek best of both worlds just because you got the blings (no hate intended).

[Jhawkeye]

hmm.. isn't it sad that a MMO economy is driven by an optional component. A in-game option of trading which then turned into a profession by players has upper hand on economy than the content itself.

@OP: IMO, (after reading all the opinions and fights from all the thread related to rare vanities, LB items, and especially after the thread on getting old items back in game) I understand that its better to keep these things untradable (just to avoid future issues).
To be honest we don't want to get into that rare vanity for 500m loop again. Sorry, but your aspiration for running LB can be anything, and you will be rewarded for it. But then you want flexibility to horde and liquidate those items for your future is not a good ask. Please don't seek best of both worlds just because you got the blings (no hate intended).

I’m not understanding what you mean sorry. Are you saying that people who are good at trading shouldn’t run an economy based on trading?

Also not understanding how having a 500m price tag (obtainable) is worse than not being able to obtain an op vanity at all.

Edit: Not to mention that only 1-2 lb vanities can be sold 500m. Jester sets aren’t from a lb to clear anyones confusion.

[Krystalteam]

I’m not understanding what you mean sorry. Are you saying that people who are good at trading shouldn’t run an economy based on trading?

Also not understanding how having a 500m price tag (obtainable) is worse than not being able to obtain an op vanity at all.

Edit: Not to mention that only 1-2 lb vanities can be sold 500m. Jester sets aren’t from a lb to clear anyones confusion.

1-2lb vanities. I sense the presence of the Ice Golem?


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[PsychoNuke]

I’m not understanding what you mean sorry. Are you saying that people who are good at trading shouldn’t run an economy based on trading?

Yes, irrespective of how wealthy an individual is, they should not be able to run the economy. Only devs should have the power to drive the economy. (Want to know why and how it impacts? Read my posts here - https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...20#post2805920)

Also not understanding how having a 500m price tag (obtainable) is worse than not being able to obtain an op vanity at all.
Edit: Not to mention that only 1-2 lb vanities can be sold 500m. Jester sets aren’t from a lb to clear anyones confusion.

There are two things here:
#1) LB is suppose to be a gold sink. Suppose you invest 50m getting top 10, now if you want to have the LB items tradable, obviously the price of that item becomes: gold invested + hard work cost + profit (that's the formula applied currently, and sadly all of the variables are decided by the owner). So lets say you sell the item for 80m (fair?). Where is the sink? instead you made more than you invested + you got the LB tag.

#2) Gold should not be the answer to everything. You want that OP vanity put in the hard work. You already have the gold to buy the OP vanity - use it to buy energy kit and run for LB top 10. Making it untradable only bring more competition to the LB (if they really want it, they will run for it now).

You still don't want to run then wait to spend that gold till the recolored versions are launched. I think making LB items unreadable is the right step.

[Jhawkeye]

Yes, irrespective of how wealthy an individual is, they should not be able to run the economy. Only devs should have the power to drive the economy. (Want to know why and how it impacts? Read my posts here - https://www.spacetimestudios.com/sho...20#post2805920)



There are two things here:
#1) LB is suppose to be a gold sink. Suppose you invest 50m getting top 10, now if you want to have the LB items tradable, obviously the price of that item becomes: gold invested + hard work cost + profit (that's the formula applied currently, and sadly all of the variables are decided by the owner). So lets say you sell the item for 80m (fair?). Where is the sink? instead you made more than you invested + you got the LB tag.

#2) Gold should not be the answer to everything. You want that OP vanity put in the hard work. You already have the gold to buy the OP vanity - use it to buy energy kit and run for LB top 10. Making it untradable only bring more competition to the LB (if they really want it, they will run for it now).

You still don't want to run then wait to spend that gold till the recolored versions are launched. I think making LB items unreadable is the right step.

The economy is driven on multiple factors. The devs of course do influence it heavily. Hence this conversation. No one group of ppl run the economy so that argument has no place in this discussion.

1. Where was it mentioned lbs were meant to be a gold sink? I thouht they were lbs to run for exclusive items and that’s ignoring if they’re tradeable or not.

2. Gold isn’t in answer it’s an alternative

I’m not going to argue your points in detail because you are entitled to your opinion I’m just giving you a little insight on my view as well

[PsychoNuke]

The economy is driven on multiple factors. The devs of course do influence it heavily. Hence this conversation. No one group of ppl run the economy so that argument has no place in this discussion.

1. Where was it mentioned lbs were meant to be a gold sink? I thouht they were lbs to run for exclusive items and that’s ignoring if they’re tradeable or not.

2. Gold isn’t in answer it’s an alternative

I’m not going to argue your points in detail because you are entitled to your opinion I’m just giving you a little insight on my view as well

Hmm these are your statements:
"This is a big part of not just the idea of lb running but the economy as well"
"Are you saying that people who are good at trading shouldn’t run an economy based on trading?"
"No one group of ppl run the economy so that argument has no place in this discussion."

1st decide what is your discussion and stop contradicting yourself. Then get one thing straight: The economy is not based on trading.
Have facts and reasons to back you statements, diverting it with vague reasoning is just waste of time. Perhaps you did not read the thread I pointed in my previous post (please do).

1. Where it's mentioned LB is not meant to be gold sink (two can play that game ). Exclusivity of an item does not change irrespective if its tradable or not.

IMO currently LB is the biggest gold sink (if items kept untradable). Making the items tradable will only make a paradox. A constant loop of same players running LB - liquidating the items to make profit - then using that gold to run LB again. Rotating the gold, making higher profits every loop.

If you are not concerned about making gold out of your win then you should not even be bothered if the items are tradable or not.

2. Right, let me reiterate myself then: Gold should not be an answer or an alternative to get LB items.
If you want to win the prize of a competition, the only way should be to participate and give your best to win it. Its as simple as that.

There is no argument here. Its only an argument when both parties have reasons and facts supporting their stand

[Arkiouj]

All LB vanities should be tradeable imo. Banners? absolutely not, they show who actually ran the event. the rich shouldn't be able to buy everything

[Kakashis]

I've always preferred lb vanities to be tradable. Not everyone has the time to run these events, but are ok in dropping some money / spending saved up gold to just buy directly off the winners. Gives people with the means to have something unique, and gives people who have the time to earn some gold for their efforts. Untradable vanities would go to only the people who have the means and the time. Only a handful of those players around.

I'm okay with future vanities being untradable as well. Those 500m vanities are coming back recolored which is good enough for most. Part of the high price came from the rarity and the uniqueness I think. Recoloring them at least gives people the opportunity to own the uniqueness part. They're relatively rare as well