Weapon Equality

[iNFaMous]

So first of all ill say this applies mostly to Warriors,
We have a selection of 1 handed Weapons / 2 handed Swords & for Warriors implementing dexterity Daggers

Now as this goes 1 handed and 2 handed swords are quite fairly compared
2 handed is a little stronger than 1 handed in respect of no shield

Daggers however are tremendously over powered

The average DPS for each of these weapons at 25-30 comes to..
1 Handed - 35
2 handed - 39
Dagger - 79

As you can see a Dagger can quite easily be two times as strong, and you even have the added benefit of a Shield.

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Following this analysis i question whether it is worth even adding further into strength just to keep up with the requirements of Armour and under powered weapons.

Has anyone else been noticing this trend in equality whether it be for Warriors or any other class?

[diesel]

So first of all ill say this applies mostly to Warriors,
We have a selection of 1 handed Weapons / 2 handed Swords & for Warriors implementing dexterity Daggers

Now as this goes 1 handed and 2 handed swords are quite fairly compared
2 handed is a little stronger than 1 handed in respect of no shield

Daggers however are tremendously over powered

The average DPS for each of these weapons at 25-30 comes to..
1 Handed - 35
2 handed - 39
Dagger - 79

As you can see a Dagger can quite easily be two times as strong, and you even have the added benefit of a Shield.

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Following this analysis i question whether it is worth even adding further into strength just to keep up with the requirements of Armour and under powered weapons.

Has anyone else been noticing this trend in equality whether it be for Warriors or any other class?

There's a whole thread on how badly warrior is underpowered and unbalanced and frustrating to play, for many reasons one of which you raised. You are dead on with your observation. Hopefully this will be fixed.

[tubbies]

It's all screwed up in a role playing sense too. How does a puny dagger do more damage than a big *** sword?

[FeralDruid]

It's all screwed up in a role playing sense too. How does a puny dagger do more damage than a big *** sword?

The dagger has an attack power of something small like 11-13, but the swing rate is 0.6!

Thats how :P

I have a grey dagger that ups my dps by 25, however I'm using an orange axe atm because of the +h/s

[iNFaMous]

The dagger has an attack power of something small like 11-13, but the swing rate is 0.6!

Thats how :P

I have a grey dagger that ups my dps by 25, however I'm using an orange axe atm because of the +h/s

Ursan Spike-Axe 1h
Req Lvl 29, 91 Str
33-43 Damage, 1.5 Speed, 3 str, 1 H/s, 2 Armor


Assassin's Thin Dagger
Req Lvl 29, 90 Dex
30-33 Damage, 0.6 Speed, 3 Dex, 1% Crit

[Suzume]

It sounds like the dagger formula needs nerfed and the warrior's weapons needs buffed with a larger emphasis on STR weapon damage.

[rdurham527]

If they would change dagger speed to about .9 or 1.0 it would even things out as far as 1h weps go

[Suzume]

I agree, an attack speed change would be great to solve the problem.

[Flamin]

two handed should be alot better. and daggers should be a little worse. But if duel weaons are released in some update, then the daggers should be a lot worse, and the two handed weapons should be a ton, a lot better.

[Jetshrike]

I think its more messed up that I have a wand that carries a 24 armor buff. I mean its a piece of wood. My bracer only gives me 9 armor :/ . That said it makes it a more resonable choice over the staff depite the very slight dps boost XD

[Justg]

The fire and ice wands went out a bit buggy. Sez Cinco: Wands should give the wearer zero (0) armor. Supplemental armor comes from the Enchantress' ability to wear a bracer on her off-hand.

We'll be patching out a fix any minute now...

[Banned]

Please do not change the dagger. Seriously. For real. Don't. The dagger is the only thing that balances out the fact that a dagger Archer dies in 3 damn hits. If you don't like the attack simply use a dagger instead. Us dagger Archers have already been screwed over once. Please do not cause this to happen again.

[FeralDruid]

But Dagger Archer =/= Rogue o_____o

[Banned]

I don't understand weapons complaints o.o. You can use ANY weapon you want in the game so nothing is really unbalanced. Just go dex if you wanna use the dagger. I have seen tons of bears using daggers and they seem pretty fine.

[iNFaMous]

Please do not change the dagger. Seriously. For real. Don't. The dagger is the only thing that balances out the fact that a dagger Archer dies in 3 damn hits. If you don't like the attack simply use a dagger instead. Us dagger Archers have already been screwed over once. Please do not cause this to happen again.

Dagger Archer

when you chose your class i would assume you planned on being an Archer ( with a X / Bow ), Reasons to switch to a Dagger were mostly caused by a over powered skill ( Evasion - 100 Evade )

And an argument as to dying within 3 hits because of a weaker dagger, Us Warriors also get hit for 150+ by bosses.

[Banned]

Actually I chose the Archer because I thought the other classes looked ugly =P. I was originally going to be a Str Archer until I found out that they could use daggers (I hate bows) and I was late on the whole evasion thing. I actually think I was the first Archer to use a dagger instead of a bow. I got the game on release day and my first kill got me a Golden Dagger. I had not seen anyone with a dagger besides me for a couple weeks and I would always get questions on it. And yeah, 150+ on BOSSES. My Warrior does fine against every other enemy so there's nothing to complain about. And a couple hits from a boss takes out a dagger Archer as well so I still don't see how a being a Warrior is worse then a dagger Archer. Didn't Warriors get evasion just recenty as well?

[FeralDruid]

I use a dagger on my tank, he's just level 14, but has 39 dps. Its a grey item too, Golden Dagger farmed from trash mobs.

[Banned]

^^^ See? Just use a dagger if you have a problem with your current weapon.

[iNFaMous]

I don't understand weapons complaints o.o. You can use ANY weapon you want in the game so nothing is really unbalanced. Just go dex if you wanna use the dagger. I have seen tons of bears using daggers and they seem pretty fine.

The issue you don't understand that i'm bringing up is that they are Dex requirement weapons, Not only does this make 1 handed and 2 handed weapons near useless, Warriors are intended to Add Strength and by currently doing so we are vastly under-powered

Actually I chose the Archer because I thought the other classes looked ugly =P. I was originally going to be a Str Archer until I found out that they could use daggers (I hate bows) and I was late on the whole evasion thing. I actually think I was the first Archer to use a dagger instead of a bow. I got the game on release day and my first kill got me a Golden Dagger. I had not seen anyone with a dagger besides me for a couple weeks and I would always get questions on it. And yeah, 150+ on BOSSES. My Warrior does fine against every other enemy so there's nothing to complain about. And a couple hits from a boss takes out a dagger Archer as well so I still don't see how a being a Warrior is worse then a dagger Archer. Didn't Warriors get evasion just recenty as well?

Unrelated/
This point you made is actually a point i told you in my previous post where you stated your Dagger Archer dies easy, now your saying it to me..?
/Unrelated

What is your problem with survivability that Warriors aren't dealing with also?

There will be no more than a deficit of 50 HP which is minute in comparison of the total and all equipment is near enough equal, Your evade skill is also still better than ours.

[Banned]

Your making the argument that your weak because you are adding strength. SIMPLY DON'T ADD STRENGTH. It's not that hard to understand. If your weapons are nearly useless the simply DON'T USE THEM. Just use a dagger if you don't think your 1h and 2h aren't strong enough. And about what you said about how the point I made was the same as your previous one. You said that your Warrior gets killed by bosses easily. I then stated that dagger Archers get killed easiy by EVERYTHING. And if you just won't except the fact that a Warrior CAN use dex then I think it might be time for you to switch over to the Archer side if you dislike your Warrior so much.