Talon Proc Nerf

[Jilsponie]

That's a really good point from a class point of view.

All I've been trying to get through to people is... If 90% of people are using the talon, it's obvious that the talon was far superior to the other weapons. And that I don't need a set to see what everyone is wearing and use a little common sense. Therefore a nerf is/was justified. Another 85 cap with everyone in dex sets isn't what i want for sure.

Is the talon auto range 12m? If not, then the cooldown nerf in theory shouldn't affect the class that heavily. This is because the archer class is designed to work from the 10-12m range primarily, with fallback mechanics to help it re-establish that distance. Thus, I feel that the talon proc nerf, if the talon has always been under 12m auto range, is justified in order to secure the identity of the class.

Hope this helps!

Walie

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[Waug]

That's a really good point from a class point of view.

All I've been trying to get through to people is... If 90% of people are using the talon, it's obvious that the talon was far superior to the other weapons. And that I don't need a set to see what everyone is wearing and use a little common sense. Therefore a nerf is/was justified. Another 85 cap with everyone in dex sets isn't what i want for sure.

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Read the bold line again and then read this again -

We will see about balance once everyone has sets. Hard to tell as of yet. But to say it's balanced when all of maybe 6 people that pvp have sets lol is kinda pre-mature

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When someone else does it, it's "pre-mature" but when it comes to you, it's common sense, kinda contradiction. Even though OP is the one who has set since pretty early phase and do pvp.

I don't wanna provide any feedback right now, also because I'm keeping my hope for the 2h weaps specially bow. BUT what I can clearly say is that, it was too early to make a decision and nerf talon set.

All I've been trying to get through to people is... If 90% of people are using the talon, it's obvious that the talon was far superior to the other weapons.

Dex set always have been favorite for all classes and there's solid reasons behind it. STR and INT sets ain't viable such way for other classes. Every class can use dex set and can do well, but for example if int set gets op, what happens? not clear? every other class vanishes and everyone uses a mage just like what happened in early 80 cap, why because int set wouldn't be viable for other classes that way.

Also IDK where do u get such stats (imaginary axis? just like the contradictions?) - 90%, far superior etc, what I noticed like 1 mage i saw with talon set and few str bears and few birds, pre-nerf.

[Jilsponie]

Read the bold line again and then read this again -



When someone else does it, it's "pre-mature" but when it comes to you, it's common sense, kinda contradiction. Even though OP is the one who has set since pretty early phase and do pvp.

I don't wanna provide and feedback right now, also because I'm keeping my hope for the 2h weaps specially bow. BUT what I can clearly say is that, it was too early to make a decision and nerf talon set.



Dex set always have been favorite for all classes and there's solid reasons behind it. STR and INT sets ain't valuable such way for other classes. Every class can use dex set and can do well, but for example if int set gets op, what happens? not clear? every other class vanishes and everyone uses a mage just like early 80 cap, why because int set wouldn't be viable for other classes that way.

Also IDK where do u get such stats (imaginary axis? just like the contradictions?) - 90%, far superior etc, what I noticed like 1 mage i saw with talon set and few str bears and few birds, pre-nerf.

LOL quoting what i say from before people had sets and after people had sets trying to make me look bad? It even still says in one of my posts all of 6 people had sets at THAT time, stop living in the past. Now dozens all have dex sets, for the talon proc. #FACT

P.S. Kanital ate mages 80 cap, but he knew his class.

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[Waug]

LOL quoting what i say from before people had sets and after people had sets trying to make me look bad? It even still says in one of my posts all of 6 people had sets at THAT time, stop living in the past. Now dozens all have dex sets, for the talon proc. #FACT

P.S. Kanital ate mages 80 cap, but he knew his class.

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Talon nerf thread 4-24-2018
Your post - 4-20-2018

Nothing drastically changed in these 4 days.

Let me correct you again - kanital 'ate' YOU at 80. Whatever the case is that doesn't change the basic facts that int bear, bird ain't viable the way Dex mages, bears are.

[Jilsponie]

Talon nerf thread 4-24-2018
Your post - 4-20-2018

Nothing drastically changed in these 4 days.

Let me correct you again - kanital 'ate' YOU at 80.

Haha you removed "any decent bird" before you got owned lol

You mean nothing drastically changed besides dozens of people getting sets? The exact thing i said needed to happen before any evaluations of balance? I'm not sure if you're trying to embarrass yourself or point out my genius

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[Waug]

Haha you removed "any decent bird" before you got owned lol

You mean nothing drastically changed besides dozens of people getting sets? The exact thing i said needed to happen before any evaluations of balance? I'm not sure if you're trying to embarrass yourself or point out my genius

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I removed the line - " any decent bird could 'ate" u, bcz I didn't want to pull a discussion down to personal lvl. Ofc that's fact that what i used to say, rather go and learn ur class thats mage.

Idk what ru talking about when I was the only one active non mage class at that time and if u mean, getting own against whole hands for help mages against 3/2 vs me, ofc u got some truth here.

Nothing changed much neither u personally got set.

[Jilsponie]

I removed bcz I didn't want to pull a discussion down to personal lvl. Ofc that's fact that what used to say, rather go and learn ur class that mage.

Idk what ru talking about when I was the only one active non mage class at that time and if u mean, getting own against whole hands for help mages against 3/2 vs me, ofc u got some truth here.

Nothing changed much neither u personally got set.

LOL you teaming my friends is what got me into pvp... i smell a double standard haha

Not my fault you team people, therefore get teamed. You would have lost any 1v1s anyway

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[SuperGotenks]

That's a really good point from a class point of view.

All I've been trying to get through to people is... If 90% of people are using the talon, it's obvious that the talon was far superior to the other weapons. And that I don't need a set to see what everyone is wearing and use a little common sense. Therefore a nerf is/was justified. Another 85 cap with everyone in dex sets isn't what i want for sure.

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Once again, stop providing false information for devs to interpret. Idk about you, but in PvP most people are using sets intended for their original class. The truth is, mages are using int sets, birds are using talon sets, and bears str sets. 90% of people are NOT and i can’t stress this enough NOT using the talon to pvp. In addition, the talon proc was put into place to compete against tankier/high healing sets. If you actually read through my posts, you’ll acknowledge the fact that I’m fine with a nerf to the talon, but not a nerf of this degree. Furthermore, a suggestion to rebalance the talon proc would be increasing base damage from the set (to actually be able to kill a mage), only allowing the talon to proc in combat, or reducing the cooldown to a more reasonable state.

[Jilsponie]

Once again, stop providing false information for devs to interpret. Idk about you, but in PvP most people are using sets intended for their original class. The truth is, mages are using int sets, birds are using talon sets, and bears str sets. 90% of people are NOT and i can’t stress this enough NOT using the talon to pvp. In addition, the talon proc was put into place to compete against tankier/high healing sets. If you actually read through my posts, you’ll acknowledge the fact that I’m fine with a nerf to the talon, but not a nerf of this degree. Furthermore, a suggestion to rebalance the talon proc would be increasing base damage from the set (to actually be able to kill a mage), only allowing the talon to proc in combat, or reducing the cooldown to a more reasonable state.

You mean since they nerfed the proc? That was the intention. I could name lots of names, post lots of ss to show my assessments are accurate, but you apparently can't accept facts. Don't think because i don't have a 105 elite set i don't still pvp and compete in 2v2 and 3v3 because i do. But ik my role and don't expect to be able to tank like a bear+nuke like a bird. I support my team. When bears like getrevoked go talon set, it's not compatible to the str set. When a good mage like lag is using a talon set instead of wand set, it's not compatible to the int set.

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