[A Fork in the Road]

[Jilsponie]

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

Not true... I've been playing the honor map nearly exclusively for days, the maps tend to fill pretty quickly, so you probably don't see them

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[Mine AGK]

Yeah, that was my point genius... He's comparing 1-105 pve to 105 PvP... Those of us with any type of critical thinking can see that for what it is lol

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The only other active enough level at this point that its even worth comparin it to is 15-35. Even 35 is only as active as it is now because of the 35 tourney. 20-27 is about the only other area where activitey is comparable and even still pve outwheighs pvp.

[XghostzX]

I see one pvp game at 105 zone right now and over 60 pve games at all levels.

I mean, if we’re talking about out own personal experiences, I played a 5v5 CTF game last night with randoms and didn’t see one player farming endgame content. Players like getting vanities, that’s for sure. They’ll like getting them just as much in PvP as they would in PvE. My point being, we can’t assert that the PvP community pales in comparison to PvE.

[Jilsponie]

It's not ok to compare 1-105 pve to any single level of PvP... Are you even serious?

The only other active enough level at this point that its even worth comparin it to is 15-35. Even 35 is only as active as it is now because of the 35 tourney. 20-27 is about the only other area where activitey is comparable and even still pve outwheighs pvp.

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[Congeniality]

Apparently the core points were missed?


"very few active players even use the forums and as such, their voices and votes will never be heard or seen. If the goal is to see a huge level of player participation, then the Mad mage's castle is the obvious choice for the community as a whole, as the vast majority of active players are strictly interested in pve"

Yes, this will benefit a small minority of people and not the community. All of a sudden people want to get active on forums when it will benefit them. I enjoy killing in pvp and yet still dont see how pvping and recieving loot based on winning is going to be fun for people who want said loot. I certainly never learned how to pvp in 72hrs nor did i learn how to teamplay in that time either.

Okay? So there are just as many players who like pvp as they do pve? Then why isnt pvp more active? I mean by that logic, there should be more people then the ones that people constantly see. Sure, you see a few randoms here and there at random but not as many as people think.

I see one pvp game at 105 zone right now and over 60 pve games at all levels.

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

I think this thread has turned from voicing opinions to actively trying to dismantle any reason for why there should be a PvP event. Now you may say that I am biased towards PvP here, and the truth is that I am not, as I voted for PvE. That being said, I find the citing of PvP and PvE numbers at the current time of posting to be a little intense and overly serious given what this thread is for.

In essence, it is asking players what they want for an event. By stating that PvP is invalid, I believe you are defeating the purpose of the post. Which isn't for each side to have a debate about what more people will want, it's for people to speak their opinion for a type of event. Thus, we shouldn't be arguing with each other about which is more valuable.

Thank you to all who have stated their opinions and voted thus far, and also those following this post. I personally just love that we are getting another event, and I'm not concerned about what domain it takes place in (PvP or PvE), both are enjoyable.

Keep things light and fun guys!
Walie

[Mine AGK]

It's not ok to compare 1-105 pve to any single level of PvP... Are you even serious?

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Read the end of my post. Even if you take into account any other level. The only active ones that even have decent activity are 15-35. Even then there is maybe 2-3 games at 35. 27 has a few more and yet pve still outweighs pvp.

[XghostzX]

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

Arena isn’t as popular because of the lack of prizes — the community is used to using the 105 sets, so that is where the PvP resides.

It’s similiar to when one makes the argument that players don’t PvE because of a lack of desireable items — same goes for the honor map. Tons of farmable loot are part of PvP arenas in online games.

Besides, if Cinco is uninclined to make permanent farmable gear/vanities, I think the push for PvP is all the fun

[Draebatad]

I mean, if we’re talking about out own personal experiences, I played a 5v5 CTF game last night with randoms and didn’t see one player farming endgame content. Players like getting vanities, that’s for sure. They’ll like getting them just as much in PvP as they would in PvE. My point being, we can’t assert that the PvP community pales in comparison to PvE.

No, those millions of players are gone and it's a very, very small community in contrast to the good old days. If maps were added as many have requested, where you can farm vanities on a regular basis, such as was done with starries in slayer, pve at end game would be a lot more active! However the old school farming ways have been replaced with events, so the game is rather inactive outside of events for both pvp and pve. But it's a fact the vast majority of PL is not into pvp, and such an event is advantageous to pvp guilds and puts the pve community at a huge disadvantage.

[Jilsponie]

No, those millions of players are gone and it's a very, very small community in contrast to the good old days. If maps were added as many have requested, where you can farm vanities on a regular basis, such as was done with starries in slayer, pve at end game would be a lot more active! However the old school farming ways have been replaced with events, so the game is rather inactive outside of events for both pvp and pve. But it's a fact the vast majority of PL is not into pvp, and such an event is advantageous to pvp guilds and puts the pve community at a huge disadvantage.

Once again, not true. A myriad of pvpers joined PC the last PvP event, myself included. And a good bit of them already there PvP anyway....

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[Draebatad]

Cinco, I see you voted. Are you going to spend your weekend with us grinding to gold tier on this next event? That would be awesome.

[XghostzX]

No, those millions of players are gone and it's a very, very small community in contrast to the good old days. If maps were added as many have requested, where you can farm vanities on a regular basis, such as was done with starries in slayer, pve at end game would be a lot more active! However the old school farming ways have been replaced with events, so the game is rather inactive outside of events for both pvp and pve. But it's a fact the vast majority of PL is not into pvp, and such an event is advantageous to pvp guilds and puts the pve community at a huge disadvantage.

Last thing I’ll say, that’s sort of my other point. We keep talking about “if maps were added...” How long as a community have we asked for this but haven’t seen it happen? Only reason why I find a push for PvP more suitable if cinco remains uninclined to revamp the PvE maps.

[Draebatad]

Once again, not true. A myriad of pvpers joined PC the last PvP event, myself included. And a good bit of them already there PvP anyway....

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OH, it's definitely true. We observed it first hand when reborn helped PC win. Countless people gave up in despair as seen in that guild's guild chat. A pve event will appeal to the majority and allow an equal and level playing field, while not putting certain groups at a disadvantage and putting other groups at a huge advantage. Fairness, that's why dev and psyko don't work in pve event maps. Level playing field for all.

[Jilsponie]

OH, it's definitely true. We observed it first hand when reborn helped PC win. Countless people gave up in despair as seen in that guild's guild chat. A pve event will appeal to the majority and allow an equal and level playing field, while not putting certain groups at a disadvantage and putting other groups at a huge advantage. Fairness, that's why dev and psyko don't work in pve event maps. Level playing field for all.

Once again not true... If gold tier was achieved, the guild was successful in the event. And if I remember​ correctly the goal was achieved with like 24 hours left in the event. That's hardly "giving up" that's winning the top prize, and with time to spare. Yes a majority stopped after the threshold was met, but it's a pve guild for the most part and a certain group of people made it not so fun with spot holders and teaming.

That's why suggestions were made to prevent that from happening again.

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[Fwend]

We are having events, lets be thankful for that.

Cinco has even given the community an option to vote.

Lets just enjoy it for what it is and good luck for those who voted, either way be it pvp or pve event, I surly will participate and have fun.

Tell your friends to get on forums and vote, be heard.

[Jilsponie]

Read the end of my post. Even if you take into account any other level. The only active ones that even have decent activity are 15-35. Even then there is maybe 2-3 games at 35. 27 has a few more and yet pve still outweighs pvp.

Umm... You really are serious? Dude... You can't compare 105 levels of pve, to any 1 level of PvP... Period. It was a deceptive anology to start with...

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[Mine AGK]

Umm... You really are serious? Dude... You can't compare 105 levels of pve, to any 1 level of PvP... Period. It was a deceptive anology to start with...

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How is that deception of analogy? There is 105 levels of pvp aswell? The only thing that gives you that perception of "deceptive analogy" is the fact the the pvp levels work in 5 level increments

[Jilsponie]

How is that deception of analogy? There is 105 levels of pvp aswell? The only thing that gives you that perception of "deceptive analogy" is the fact the the pvp levels work in 5 level increments

Because your keeping the PvP focus on 1 level, while including 105 levels of pve... Yes I answered your question, even though it doesn't make sense... *"How is that a deceptive anology"

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[Mine AGK]

Because your keeping the PvP focus on 1 level, while including 105 levels of pve... Yes I answered your question, even though it doesn't make sense... *"How is that a deceptive anology"

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I already stated that even if you take into account the most active pvp levels from 15-35. It still doesnt compare to pve players.

[Xyzther]

Well these are some interesting argumentative fallacies I am witnessing

[Congeniality]

Well these are some interesting argumentative fallacies I am witnessing

Staggering how much people can circulate through the same points over and over no?