[A Fork in the Road]

[Draebatad]

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

[Jilsponie]

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

Not true... I've been playing the honor map nearly exclusively for days, the maps tend to fill pretty quickly, so you probably don't see them

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[Congeniality]

Apparently the core points were missed?


"very few active players even use the forums and as such, their voices and votes will never be heard or seen. If the goal is to see a huge level of player participation, then the Mad mage's castle is the obvious choice for the community as a whole, as the vast majority of active players are strictly interested in pve"

Yes, this will benefit a small minority of people and not the community. All of a sudden people want to get active on forums when it will benefit them. I enjoy killing in pvp and yet still dont see how pvping and recieving loot based on winning is going to be fun for people who want said loot. I certainly never learned how to pvp in 72hrs nor did i learn how to teamplay in that time either.

Okay? So there are just as many players who like pvp as they do pve? Then why isnt pvp more active? I mean by that logic, there should be more people then the ones that people constantly see. Sure, you see a few randoms here and there at random but not as many as people think.

I see one pvp game at 105 zone right now and over 60 pve games at all levels.

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

I think this thread has turned from voicing opinions to actively trying to dismantle any reason for why there should be a PvP event. Now you may say that I am biased towards PvP here, and the truth is that I am not, as I voted for PvE. That being said, I find the citing of PvP and PvE numbers at the current time of posting to be a little intense and overly serious given what this thread is for.

In essence, it is asking players what they want for an event. By stating that PvP is invalid, I believe you are defeating the purpose of the post. Which isn't for each side to have a debate about what more people will want, it's for people to speak their opinion for a type of event. Thus, we shouldn't be arguing with each other about which is more valuable.

Thank you to all who have stated their opinions and voted thus far, and also those following this post. I personally just love that we are getting another event, and I'm not concerned about what domain it takes place in (PvP or PvE), both are enjoyable.

Keep things light and fun guys!
Walie

[XghostzX]

I see one pvp game at 105 zone right now and over 60 pve games at all levels.

I mean, if we’re talking about out own personal experiences, I played a 5v5 CTF game last night with randoms and didn’t see one player farming endgame content. Players like getting vanities, that’s for sure. They’ll like getting them just as much in PvP as they would in PvE. My point being, we can’t assert that the PvP community pales in comparison to PvE.

[Draebatad]

I mean, if we’re talking about out own personal experiences, I played a 5v5 CTF game last night with randoms and didn’t see one player farming endgame content. Players like getting vanities, that’s for sure. They’ll like getting them just as much in PvP as they would in PvE. My point being, we can’t assert that the PvP community pales in comparison to PvE.

No, those millions of players are gone and it's a very, very small community in contrast to the good old days. If maps were added as many have requested, where you can farm vanities on a regular basis, such as was done with starries in slayer, pve at end game would be a lot more active! However the old school farming ways have been replaced with events, so the game is rather inactive outside of events for both pvp and pve. But it's a fact the vast majority of PL is not into pvp, and such an event is advantageous to pvp guilds and puts the pve community at a huge disadvantage.

[Jilsponie]

No, those millions of players are gone and it's a very, very small community in contrast to the good old days. If maps were added as many have requested, where you can farm vanities on a regular basis, such as was done with starries in slayer, pve at end game would be a lot more active! However the old school farming ways have been replaced with events, so the game is rather inactive outside of events for both pvp and pve. But it's a fact the vast majority of PL is not into pvp, and such an event is advantageous to pvp guilds and puts the pve community at a huge disadvantage.

Once again, not true. A myriad of pvpers joined PC the last PvP event, myself included. And a good bit of them already there PvP anyway....

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[Draebatad]

Once again, not true. A myriad of pvpers joined PC the last PvP event, myself included. And a good bit of them already there PvP anyway....

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OH, it's definitely true. We observed it first hand when reborn helped PC win. Countless people gave up in despair as seen in that guild's guild chat. A pve event will appeal to the majority and allow an equal and level playing field, while not putting certain groups at a disadvantage and putting other groups at a huge advantage. Fairness, that's why dev and psyko don't work in pve event maps. Level playing field for all.

[Jilsponie]

OH, it's definitely true. We observed it first hand when reborn helped PC win. Countless people gave up in despair as seen in that guild's guild chat. A pve event will appeal to the majority and allow an equal and level playing field, while not putting certain groups at a disadvantage and putting other groups at a huge advantage. Fairness, that's why dev and psyko don't work in pve event maps. Level playing field for all.

Once again not true... If gold tier was achieved, the guild was successful in the event. And if I remember​ correctly the goal was achieved with like 24 hours left in the event. That's hardly "giving up" that's winning the top prize, and with time to spare. Yes a majority stopped after the threshold was met, but it's a pve guild for the most part and a certain group of people made it not so fun with spot holders and teaming.

That's why suggestions were made to prevent that from happening again.

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[XghostzX]

The mad mage's castle is an event that even once someone achieves their desired threshold, many will keep going. The arena of honor, I recall restoration stopped at just over gold tier, and didn't bother playing afterwards. Regardless, pve is definitely, without question, the more popular choice for both an event and for the daily go-to for the overall community. Pvp is practically dead compared to the old days, and forcing people to pvp for an event won't necessarily be fruitful for the pvp scene. In fact, most pve players didn't even bother to try during the last pvp event, or if they did, got ran out pretty quickly and went off to enjoy their weekend. So, no, pvp events don't reflect the interests of the majority by any means. If you guys want arena of honor, don't forget it was added by request, you can play it any at any time you desire. But I don't see any of you, even those who also wanted it added back, bothering to play there. If the goal is to see a huge level of participation, which directly impacts the generation of revenue during events, and is inclusive to all types of players based on their skills, the choice is obvious.

Arena isn’t as popular because of the lack of prizes — the community is used to using the 105 sets, so that is where the PvP resides.

It’s similiar to when one makes the argument that players don’t PvE because of a lack of desireable items — same goes for the honor map. Tons of farmable loot are part of PvP arenas in online games.

Besides, if Cinco is uninclined to make permanent farmable gear/vanities, I think the push for PvP is all the fun

[Draebatad]

Cinco, I see you voted. Are you going to spend your weekend with us grinding to gold tier on this next event? That would be awesome.

[XghostzX]

No, those millions of players are gone and it's a very, very small community in contrast to the good old days. If maps were added as many have requested, where you can farm vanities on a regular basis, such as was done with starries in slayer, pve at end game would be a lot more active! However the old school farming ways have been replaced with events, so the game is rather inactive outside of events for both pvp and pve. But it's a fact the vast majority of PL is not into pvp, and such an event is advantageous to pvp guilds and puts the pve community at a huge disadvantage.

Last thing I’ll say, that’s sort of my other point. We keep talking about “if maps were added...” How long as a community have we asked for this but haven’t seen it happen? Only reason why I find a push for PvP more suitable if cinco remains uninclined to revamp the PvE maps.

[Fwend]

We are having events, lets be thankful for that.

Cinco has even given the community an option to vote.

Lets just enjoy it for what it is and good luck for those who voted, either way be it pvp or pve event, I surly will participate and have fun.

Tell your friends to get on forums and vote, be heard.

[Xyzther]

Well these are some interesting argumentative fallacies I am witnessing

[Congeniality]

Well these are some interesting argumentative fallacies I am witnessing

Staggering how much people can circulate through the same points over and over no?

[Jensmage]

Make it Arena of Honor l61 with look alike demo sets...Chinese counterfeit made demo sets. We all have l61 chars in our closet somewhere hoping to return to it someday. Also it’s easy to reach l61. The points should be individual points. Players that reach a certain point wins gold, silver, and bronze. Prize should be access to mad maze castle to loot gold, drop vanities by killing gold skeleton and myxx with higher drop rate , and purchasable items with plat/gold.

Make them earn it lol

[Waug]

Make it Arena of Honor l61 with look alike demo sets...Chinese counterfeit made demo sets. We all have l61 chars in our closet somewhere hoping to return to it someday. Also it’s easy to reach l61. The points should be individual points. Players that reach a certain point wins gold, silver, and bronze. Prize should be access to mad maze castle to loot gold, drop vanities by killing gold skeleton and myxx with higher drop rate , and purchasable items with plat/gold.

Make them earn it lol

Was pretty cool to start with but Arena of honor has some flaws and I have had this in mind for long. There can be another arena of honor (if unwilling to change current) beside current where all the sets have bit more armor/ damage stats than existing close to zero stats. L50 pink sets can be an example / parameter to start with and then latter some balance adjustment.

Major issues is that - stats get negative if debuffed, which then treat as zero making it less effective, stats being too low. So basically honor is NOT oldschool pvp, we need to make it REAL oldscool pvp.

Other than that fact I don't think we really need L50 to do pvp, can do with 105 with some adjustments. But it's a good suggestion as well if cinco want to work on that, higher level sets comes with higher dodges and we have dodge cap in place so, adjusted L50 sets could be perfect.

P.S. We can also have one L105 elites existing map pvp event after some proc and balance tweak specially changing talon proc from 1k armor 10k hp to 200 armor 200 dmg and slight nerf of dagger and wand proc.

[bglir]

I vote for PVE event, lets make it abit longer and a day break before Gold farming

It's time cinco make a voting booth in every town so every players can vote PvP or PvE. (Make Pocket Legend Great Again!!!)

I vote remove amulet and replace it with old vanity egg gold, blue, and add new vanitys.

I want a Pink Little Pony shield, honestly it's time that we should have that, and rainbow horn as helm and rainbow armour.

[Draebatad]

I vote for PVE event, lets make it abit longer and a day break before Gold farming

It's time cinco make a voting booth in every town so every players can vote PvP or PvE. (Make Pocket Legend Great Again!!!)

It's easily done, making a voting booth in towns. Great idea. And the results if everyone voted at an npc voting booth in game would be hilariously tilted towards pve. The forums reflect only a *very small fraction* of the in game community. If user input really matters this much, then cinco would be wise to add such a system to PL.

[Jensmage]

It's easily done, making a voting booth in towns. Great idea. And the results if everyone voted at an npc voting booth in game would be hilariously tilted towards pve. The forums reflect only a *very small fraction* of the in game community. If user input really matters this much, then cinco would be wise to add such a system to PL.

Difficult to control. Players will create acc to score to benifit the interest...

[Draebatad]

Difficult to control. Players will create acc to score to benifit the interest...

I assure you, the powers that be can be very creative when they need to be. Not worried about their ability to ensure a one vote per player standard.