The future of PL ... long term recommendations; my most important post for this year

[Aikiebo]

Stompartist, I am very glad that you brought this up. This is something that I have been thinking about long and hard for a long time.

I agree, that when people present their opinion as if it was some kind of fact. That can help destroy any chance of logical debate.

It is almost as bad when someone presents their opinion, making it clear it is just an opinion, but still not giving any sort of supporting details.

Do you know why many of my posts are so long? It is because, when I make a point. I spend time backing it up. It only takes a few words to make some statement, that is nothing more than an opinion and try to pawn it off as a fact. But, if you take a good look at my long posts, you will see that they are long because I am trying to prove my argument.

I agree, it is not enough to just present opinions that are empty if you are trying to actually make some sort of improvement.

But, again, to make a statement: "Here, this is what I believe", then TO ALSO PROVIDE supporting details, can take a long time.

Just the opinion = short. Opinon plus supporting details = bit longer.

Yes, I agree, that the thing I said that you quoted was an opinion. It is an opinion that obviously I believe to be accurate. But, your right, I didn't give the supporting details. (I did go on to imply that I had proof, but that is a different matter.) Why would I do such a thing?

1. I was trying to show that short posts are very easy to write. You can make all kinds of statements, imply they are facts and never have to provide the supporting details.

2. I was trying to show that, just as you pointed out, that a statement without supporting details is TOTALLY USELESS in a debate.

3. And more than anything else, I was trying to show, that what I was responding to is EXACTLY what you are critisizing me for. An mere personal opinion that is being presented as a fact with no supporting info.

In other words: The point I am making now, is that a giant, huge percentage of the things that are being said in THIS THREAD AND RAGE FEST are nothing more than someone's opinion. And the people who shared these wonderful opinions with us made little or no attempt to try to prove them. Just left them as unsubstantiated opinons.

I have made a spoiler tag. Behind that tag is 14 opinions that someone presented as fact. JUST IN THIS THREAD ALONE. I am sure, I could find 2 or 3 dozen more of these empty opinions in just this thread. None of these opinions have any supporting info. This was the problem with Rage Fest. It was a tiny few people going from thread to thread saying the same thing over and over, never proving or justifying anything. Just getting people all worked up.

In the next post I make, I am actually going to answer your question (why do I say there is no concensus about Nuri's/Fang). Just didn't want to make this post too long.

One last thing (to everyone, not just you Stomp): NO NEED TO FLAME ME with the idea that all opinions are important and valued. I know that. I have said that 100 times. But, if all you do is give an opinion without backing it up. People may not take it seriously. And, they may also basically just say, 'right back at ya' and just give their differing opinion on the same matter without backing it up. If so, a person can't complain.

 

These are all statements that are presented as facts. But, they are nothing a the person's opinion. The person who said these things didn't offer any facts, data, supporting info, locic, examples or anything to support the opinion.

Please note, my device is on the blink. These were not placed here by cut-n-paste. I retyped going back and forth trying to remember as I typed. If I made any mistakes. Not intentional and I will fix IMMEDIATELY.

The quotes are in italics. My comments are in bold.

1. "I agree that the long-term future of PL is very much in doubt.

How would anyone without the data know this?

2. "The real question right now is not whether or not the community believes that PL has stagnated or not. The real question is what (and if) action will be taken.

No, it's not.

3. "So far, I think the general concensus among most players on the forums is that Nuri Hollows and Mount Fang has not been what they wanted.

There is no concensus.

4. "Humania will have to be especially good with the release of World of Migard's 3rd and semi-betas. Make or break time, a lot is riding on this particular expansion.

Who says? Why does this person think this?

5. "The devs appear to be relatively inactive in threads and far less receptive towards feedback.

Tons of data to show otherwise.

6. "Basically, it seems to be one of those things that you get and you can maintain by doing more or less nothing.

Prove this.

7. "I'd have to agree though, that a thorough re-evaluataion is in order or to scrap the program and re-nominate from the ground up.

Why?

8. "So far you have said that I am incorrect and nothing else. So far, it seems that what you have said is more opinion than anything else.

[B}I did give some reasoning. But, this is what this person does very frequently.[/B]

9. "You have said that I am incorrect but have not said anything as to why.

I did give some reasons. And the point of this is this poster did not give reasons why.

10. "I have serious doubts about the potential of both programs.

Huh?? Why??

11. "Nothing truely new has been introduced since guilds.

Like the rest, this needs to be backed up.

12. "The events of the Winter Fest has increased the urgency.

How so?

13. "As it turns out, people seem to like having slower cap rises.

14. "The quality of the new caps must be epic."

Btw, when I asked a question in bold, I'm not really asking that question now, like I want an answer. The questions are really just examples of what should hve been explained originally.